Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software

Proposal to merge Software license agreement into Software license

I'd appreciate more input on this merge discussion. It began in 2006 and I'd like to get it closed, but there isn't consensus for a merge or a rationale for disambiguating the topics. --Pnm (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Garant

I just stumbled upon this unreferenced article. I'm not a software guy and don't edit in this area. Thought you all might know what do with it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I just added a notability tag. Guy Macon (talk) 21:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Editorial dispute at Comparison of platform virtual machines

I would like to request editorial assistance in arriving at consensus on the appropriate state of the article Comparison of platform virtual machines. Please see the discussion so far. Psuedonym 03:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

ACCPAC

ACCPAC has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 05:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

RfC on the use of terminology like “GiB” (gibibyte) on Wikipedia

Notice: An RFC is being conducted here at Talk:Hard diskdrive#RFC on the use of the IEC prefixes. The debate under consideration is the use in this table of the “Hard disk drive” article of nomenclature such as “KiB”, “MiB”, and “GiB” to describe capacities. The governing guideline on MOSNUM is Quantities of bytes and bits. The quality of the discussion can be improved by broadening participation of the discussion. This will hopefully more fully achieve a consensus. Greg L (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Content of Infobox software - how many software releases to show?

Is there any best practice for the number of software releases that should be show in the "latest release version" parameter of the {{Infobox software}} template? I ask, because one editor is defending the display of four separate release version numbers at PostgreSQL. We have argued at Talk:PostgreSQL that only the current version of the latest release should be shown (which is after all what the parameter is named), as is currently the case in articles such as MySQL, Firefox, Joomla, Ubuntu (operating system) etc., all of which have multiple releases but he is having none of it. In an attempt to gain some consensus I would appreciate opinions from members of this project (who are very welcome to shoot me down if I'm the one who is wrong). --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 20:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Windows component

I'm considering adapting this useful template for more generic usage. Currently, 'A component of Microsoft Windows' is included by default. Adding an extra parameter would allow its use for components of other OSes. Perhaps there's already a suitable template available, in which case I'd be interested to know. If not, I think the template could be adapted in either of the following ways:

1. New template based on {{Infobox Windows component}}, but including a new parameter parent_os or similar, along with any other changes deemed appropriate.
2. Move {{Infobox Windows component}} to {{Infobox OS component}}, again after including the new parameter. If the parameter isn't present (or is blank) the template could default to the current Microsoft Windows statement. This would ensure existing usage (via redirects) isn't broken.

Thoughts? --Trevj (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather we simply did away with it entirely to be honest and just used {{infobox software}} for all of them. It doesn't really make sense to maintain two separate levels of abstraction for these software components when there are only ~200 articles using the system. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 13:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Team Software Process Revisions

I am writing on behalf of the Carnegie Mellon Software Engineering Institute (SEI). We have noted that the Team Software Process page is in need of updating. It is noted on the Team Software Process page that "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (April 2011)." The technical staff at the SEI has also uncovered several factual inaccuracies on the page.

In an attempt to help address these shortcomings and to ensure the page is accurate and up-to-date, we recommend that a number of factual updates and citations be made. We first and foremost welcome and encourage edits from the community. Please note that any edits made by the SEI will be sourced, justified factual changes that are made with the best interests of the Wikipedia community in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.237.28.14 (talk) 15:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Discussion about title of Unix shell article

People watching this page may be interested in contributing to the discussion at Talk:Bash (Unix shell)#Further discussion. Cheers. -GTBacchus^(talk) 05:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ZextCMS

Hello, please help on how to fix this following article; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZextCMS and also remove old article from; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zext Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxwire (talk • contribs) 09:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

PackML

Not too sure if this is the right project, but someone may want to take a look at PackML. It was written by the organization behind the 'product'. I have no idea what this talks about, but it's pretty clear it needs cleanup, a proper layout, a proper lead, etc. It seems to contain original research too, but I'm not sure. If anyone wants to take a look, and maybe initiate conversation with the user who created it (see bottom message), it would be appreciated. Cheers - CharlieEchoTango (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Software Engineering Institute

Hello, I am an employee on the corporate communications team at the Carnegie Mellon Software Engineering Institute (SEI). I’m seeking help in updating the outdated information that is currently in the Software_Engineering_Institute Wikipedia article. I’ve included links to several resources below that contain information about the SEI and programs, and technologies. Please feel free to consult these sources as you are making updates to the article.

Thank you for your help, Dana

• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10182/1069538-28.stm

• eWeek: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Software-Engineering-Institute-Contract-Renewed-466589/

• Dr. Dobb’s Journal: http://drdobbs.com/222301637

• PCWorld: http://www.pcworld.com/article/216936/when_trusted_IT_people_go_bad.html?tk=rss_news

• Government Info Security: http://www.govinfosecurity.com/podcasts.php?podcastID=465

• Software Integrity Blog: http://blog.coverity.com/uncategorized/interview-with-robert-seacord-head-of-the-secure-coding-initiative-at-cert/

• Bank Info Security: http://www.bankinfosecurity.com/podcasts.php?podcastID=823

• On Software Engineering: http://onsoftwareengineering.com/2010/12/03/cmmi-version-1-3-and-agile/

• About.com: http://adulted.about.com/od/learningorganizations/a/seicertificationatcarnegiemellon.htm

--CMUSEI (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CMUSEI (talk • contribs) 15:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

HP TeMIP Software: notability and referencing concerns

Hello all,

Would any interested parties here like to take a look at HP TeMIP Software? I landed on it from the Random Article link yesterday, and one thing that jumped out at me was its complete lack of references (no Reference section, no inline citations, not even an External Links section). I added the References maintenance tag and Googled to find some reliable sources, but I honestly couldn't find one that fit the guidelines, so I then added the Notability template too. I realize Google isn't everything, so I brought this here in case anybody might know how to source this article; as it stands now, I don't know that it could pass a deletion discussion.

I've outlined all this on the talk page too. Cheers, Northumbrian (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of HP TeMIP Software

The article HP TeMIP Software has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article fails to meet the general notability guideline; unable to find significant coverage in secondary sources.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

This notification pertains to the topic I started above. If an interested editor associated with the software project wishes to contest the deletion by removing the proposed deletion tag and then supplying the secondary sources that the article requires, please feel free to do so. Northumbrian (talk) 21:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Bundled software#Redirect

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bundled software#Redirect. Trevj (talk) 11:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Ürban PAD

I was seriously considering CSDing this as advertising, bearing in mind the huge lack of RS I can find on it (see talk page). There seems to have been a lot of activity spamming it around forum sites very recently, including mention of targets for shipping it out .... I'm going to tag it as probably lacking notability, and PROD it, instead of going the CSD route. If any of you can find some decent RS for it, though, and maybe re-write it, please go ahead! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 06:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I prefer being neutral myself at this time. But I also do not see anything stopping you from deleting the article if you reported it. If anything more important came up, please feel free to notify us so that project members can act in case of need. Fleet Command (talk) 09:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Citing a WinHelp manual

Not sure if this project is still active, but I thought I'd ask this question anyway. I'm working on the article British Open Championship Golf, and I've run across a complication: its manual is a WinHelp file. I have no idea how to properly cite one of these, but User:Jinnai suggested that someone in this project might have had a similar problem in the past. Anyone have some advice? JimmyBlackwing (talk) 04:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Backbone.js

This article is a one-liner about a Javascript library which I deleted after it was PRODded for lack of notability. That has been queried on my talk page by a user who says it is important, even revolutionary, and has "made most of my 10 years of web development experience obsolete"; so I have restored it, invited him to expand it, and now post here in case anyone is interested in helping. JohnCD (talk) 16:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The closer project is WP:WEBSITES but it might get more attention at WP:COMP. As far as keeping the article, it does seem like an important topic, but it was just released in 2010. It's all over message boards and blogs but I couldn't easily find any reliable sources. Might be too soon. It's briefly mentioned in DocumentCloud#Open_Source_Software and I took the liberty of merging it there. I think it may not meet WP:GNG at this time and figure the interested editors are better off adding the verifiable material they can find than navigating policy and Afd. It's obvious to me it'll be Wikipedia–notable eventually. --Pnm (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Latest Android release: doubts and controversy

Hi all, there seems to be a dispute on the Android talk page... Basically, two editors do not agree that a release of the source code counts as a release of the software... I disagree, so I would like to invite anyone with some skills to that debate. Regards --SF007 (talk) 06:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

This has been resolved per this edit. --Pnm (talk) 18:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Overly Enthusiastic Portalizing?

I was advised at The Village Pump to ask the following question here. If this is the wrong place, please let me know.

User:Sbmeirow recently added a portal box to software testing to a number of pages about computer hardware, such as ARM Cortex-M3, Single-board microcontroller and Embedded system. These appear to have only a tenuous connection to software testing. I don't want to accuse him of doing something wrong when I am unsure whether it actually is wrong, but it seems odd to list hardware in the software testing portal. Do these pages belong? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:23, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I think fwiw that those interested in the Software Testing portal should be able to provide a description of the sorts of pages they intend to add the portal link to, for discussion here. Like Guy, I think it is not appropriate to link to the portal from any old IT-related page, such as the examples given above. I would have expected to see links limited to articles directly related to software testing, rather than - such as these - only indirectly related. There's a point at which such links become somewhat spammish. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Sbmeirow has been Invited to join this discussion. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Microcontrollers and microprocessors are hardware devices that runs software programs, thus you can't hard group them into either a hardware-only bucket or software-only bucket. All ARM cores are purely "software-ish" descriptions of a CPU core until they converted into silicon, heck even VHDL and Verilog are technically software but typically only hardware engineers use those languages. If the articles in question where resistors or capacitors, then obviously software related portal don't belong on them, but though CPU devices are hardware things they are useless without software. Since those articles involve both hardware and software, I thought it would be useful to readers to have a portal of each. I wish there was an embedded portal, because that would have been the prefered choice for all of them. In response to spamish, if people think they are spam, then the entire portal concept should be removed from all of wikipedia. Though most put portals in the "see also" section, I prefer to put them in "external links" section so they don't stand out so much, and "external links" is where I put them in city and school articles. When searching for a software type portal, I didn't research the "software testing" portal, it more of sounded useful for embedded development. If you don't like the "software testing" portal for those articles, then pick a better software type of portal in place of it. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

If the topic isn't covered in the portal, it shouldn't be on the page. Agree that most IT-related articles are not sufficiently related. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a trivial issue to me and not important enough for me to care. If I made a mistake, just fix it or ask why I did it. The above person should have either deleted my change or contacted me directly instead of making public discusion as the first point of contact. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 06:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

My behavior was correct. All Wikipedia editors are subject to public discussion about their edits. As I wrote at the top of this thread, "I don't want to accuse him of doing something wrong when I am unsure whether it actually is wrong." Asking whether it was wrong in the appropriate place -- and inviting you to comment -- was the right thing to do. Reverting your edits or criticizing you for making them when I wasn't sure whether they were wrong would have been incorrect behavior on my part. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Xara Xtreme LX

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Xara Photo & Graphic Designer#Propose a merge from Xara Xtreme LX to the main article Xara Xtreme. -- Trevj (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Chrome/Firefox

Why do we have one chrome article and endless versions of firefox floating around? Now firefox is on a rapid release schedule are we going to end up with many more articles breeding as versions come out thick and fast? --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Plan 9 from Bell Labs nominated for GA

Plan 9 from Bell Labs article was nominated for GA review (at WP:GAN#COMP). Comments (and the review itself) are welcome! — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 13:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Mdadm how-to purge

I deleted a bunch of text from Mdadm that I do not consider appropriate for Wikipedia (per What Wikipedia is not). An anonymous user expressed some rage about my action on the article's discussion page, so I figured I would bring the matter here for additional attention and appropriate discussion.Dfeuer (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)