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- 1 Revive Proposed Change: Add "Repository" Field
- 2 db2
- 3 Edits to Good Technology
- 4 OpenOffice.org feature nomination
- 5 Loomio
- 6 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/TestAuditor
- 7 Version History Tables, let's discuss discontinued products first, and then active products.
- 8 Help with BeerXML page
- 9 Invitation to User Study
- 10 Unintended Posting
- 11 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Burton Howard Bloom
- 12 pdf 995
- 13 Completed some edits, feedback welcome
- 14 Miarmy
- 15 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Zopim
- 16 Relevance of content guidelines for Software
- 17 Leaflet For Wikiproject Software At Wikimania 2014
- 18 KoodibooK
- 19 Category needed
- 20 Palringo
- 21 Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Any.do
- 22 GoldBug
- 23 Tech help required to improve categories
- 24 Draft:NewFasant
- 25 Mailpile
- 26 GNU/Linux
Revive Proposed Change: Add "Repository" Field
This proposal was made, and not done previously: Template talk:Infobox software/Archive 3#Source Code Repository Field. I'd like to revive the change, which I have commenced through opportunity for discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software, as well as with a specific diff of the proposed edit.
Edits to Good Technology
Hi, I work for Good Technology. The article has had flags indicating problems for a couple years. It also had some small inaccuracies, and presented a pretty incomplete overview of the company's history. While I understand that I have a conflict of interest, I want to help improve the article according to Wikipedia's standards. I have recently made some edits and additions, making every effort to express a neutral point of view; I also added about 20 independent citations. I hope a more experienced Wikipedian can take a look at my edits and provide any needed feedback. (previous version, prior to my edits)
OpenOffice.org feature nomination
I've nominated OpenOffice.org for FAC. Uninvolved reviewers for FAC would be most welcome. Or, if you haven't time for that, just looking over the article would be good :-) - David Gerard (talk) 09:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I work for Loomio and created a stub article on it in my userspace. It was quickly shifted to the live site by other editors. I'm new to wikipedia and am trying to follow Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest -Simontegg
- I assume this was because they felt it was notable enough to be moved to the mainspace. However, I will inform EuroCarGT that you have raised these concerns as he can probably give you a more precise answer. On a side note, you may wish to declare this conflict of interest on your user page to make it even clearer to other editors but well done for trying to follow the guidelines at WP:COI as best you can. Oddbodz (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
- I have spoken to EuroCarGT here and he has said that the article wasn't actually in your userspace and that he just moved it to a more appropriate title within the mainspace. Oddbodz (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear software experts. Can someone please take a look at the above submission at Afc? Even though I have had some experience in writing software, I can't tell if this article is describing the product in an encyclopedic fashion. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 13:48, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Version History Tables, let's discuss discontinued products first, and then active products.
Consider my recent edit on Adobe GoLive, which was discontinued in April 2008. In fact, it is a perfect example of why I'd like to see this practice become standard. The final version was downloadable for almost a year after that version's stable release. So, let's add sentences such as that to the bottoms of Version History Tables, for Articles on discontinued products.
For active products (that is to say not discontinued, still actively developed and upgraded), I would also like you guys to look at the recent color code compromise (which is "pastel," essentially the same colors but in slightly lighter shades) over at Template:Version (click on the Template's Talk Page). This new compromise concerning the color code has not yet been implemented, but it will be implemented in a week or 2 if there are no further objections. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Help with BeerXML page
I'm involved with the article BeerXML (as an advocate for software in brewing) I'd appreciate help with the article as I am not as well versed in software as in brewing. The article has been tagged for deletion by two users who object to its existence, although I know that brewing software is used daily by tens (if not 100s of thousands of people) Your views on whether the article should be given time to develop would be most welcome at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/BeerXML Thanks - Devils In Skirts! (talk) 19:36, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Invitation to User Study
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 01:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC).
User reason for visiting this page. I need a list of free or quasi free pdf converters. The one I use on my laptop is pdf995. I forgot the name and so went looking for it on google and yahoo. It no longer appears on the first page of google, now it is on the second page.
Additionally, the authors of the wiki page for free pdf software or quasi free, FAILS to list pdf 995.
This is an excellent program and completely free. The only payment is looking at an ad.
I am not sure why you have not included pdf995. I have used it now for four years. for free.
Unfortunately, a list page of free software is very useful and I applaud the author or authors for their contribution, although not perfect.
The current problem, is that google is no longer reliable as it used to be. I believe my searches are more manipulated by them and things that used to pop us, no longer do.
One observation is that you get less links on the first page and some people, never make it to the second page.
Therefore, this wiki submission is helpful, even if it fails to include a very important free pdf converter, as pdf995 provides to the economical consumer.
Completed some edits, feedback welcome
As I mentioned last year, I have updated and expanded the article on my employer, Good Technology with independently sourced content. I have done my best to address the concerns others had expressed about previous versions of the article, and expanded it in ways that are neutral and comply with Wikipedia policy; but I would appreciate any feedback from experienced Wikipedians. -Karenarlenereynolds (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Dear software experts: This old Afc submission appears to have quite a few references. Is this notable software, and should the page be kept instead of being deleted as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 00:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- No. The sources mostly are either collective blogs or small "news sites" earning their living by providing paid coverage. The article actually intermixes software and company in a way that allows to collect sizable amount of links without proving notability of either of these rather separate topics. The language of submission is indeed far from neutral. This piece should really die. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 01:24, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I figured they could clean it, but in this instance it sounds like the best option would be for them to start from scratch as a whole (if they want to try running it via AfC again). I'll delete it and leave the applicable notes. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 01:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Relevance of content guidelines for Software
While this section has an obvious cause - the article Cdrtools was recently inflated with lots of advertising material, including exhaustive comparison charts mostly containing obscure features such as Disc tattoo support, "support for all three Unix times"), platform support lists with obscure platforms (Atari MiNT support!!1!) as well as a huge download locations table, trivial command line examples ("To eject the media of the default optical disc drive, or just open its tray: cdrecord -eject") and almost 100 footnotes and references - I noticed that I could not find a WikiProject specific guideline of what contents are relevant for a software Wikipedia article?
In my opinion, we should have some (easy to find) guidelines on what is relevant for a software article. Much of the contents on above page should go to the software homepage, and not be maintained in Wikipedia.
- Features (including platform support) should be limited to the most notable features. A feature that doesn't exist in other software is not automatically notable (e.g. support for the Klingon language), but only if there actually is verifiable interest in this feature, but there should be media reports that highlight this feature.
- Download links should be limited to the primary download location (if there is a substantial resource with download locations of alternate formats, it may be appropriate to also link this page additionally)
- Version lists should be limited to versions which add important functionality, and for which notability is easy to assert (e.g. coverage in media).
- For software with outstanding notability, it may be appropriate to "violate" above guidelines (Example: Features of the Opera web browser).
- In most cases, the Template:Infobox software already gives appropriate weight to version numbers, platform and language support, and download locations.
- (this list is only meant to start a discussion. I'm sure you will have more points to add.)
In my opinion, all of these are inherently implied by the Wikipedia:Relevance of content guideline, but they could be formalized. This page also states:
More specific guidance on content may be provided by a WikiProject whose scope includes the article in question.
Maybe such a guideline exists, and I could just not find it?
I would also appreciate a third opion on the relevancy of contents in the cdrecord article. It has been subject to major edit wars (and yes, I have recently been involved), suffers from WP:COI, and in my opinion needs independent cleanup to make the article readable and useful. Maybe even by someone that does not use Unix and this software at all! In my opinion (see also Talk:Cdrtools), much of the contents are not relevant for Wikipedia, may constitute WP:OR, give undue weight on obscure features, and mostly serve the purpose of advertising cdrecord over the alternatives/forks that are currently preinstalled on major Linux distributions. This request is to get some clear guidelines on what the "majority" of Wikipedia editors consider to be relevant for a Wikipedia article, and what not; in order to have a guideline to resolve this dispute. Please use Talk:Cdrtools for discussion specific to cdrtools; and follow up here if it is about general guidelines? Thank you. --Chire (talk) 08:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- I would say that making a new general rule in order to solve a specific single-case problem is a bad idea. In this specific case the software author's repeated interventions on the talk page are a good indicator of the problem here - David Gerard (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Relevance of content suggests for WikiProjects to provide such "more specific" guidelines. They don't need to ultimately decide everything for this particular software, but we should eventually have something, in particular if we want to be neutral. --Chire (talk) 14:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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Adikhajuria (talk) 11:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Could someone take a look at KoodibooK. It has been marked as an orphan & I'm wondering if it meets the notability requirements - but I'm not very familiar with this area.— Rod talk 13:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KoodibooK. You may re-nominate it if you want to. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 17:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
It's silly to have IBM Rational Rose XDE and similar stuff only in category "IBM software". That says nothing about what it does, in terms of categorization. I had trouble finding something suitable for Rigi (software). Basically there isn't a category for either reverse engineering or one for software visualization. And there are surely plenty of software products to fill both of these. JMP EAX (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
- Category:Disassemblers is there for reverse engineering software and Category:Software modeling tools for software visualization. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 07:43, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, I've added Rigi to the latter. JMP EAX (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- Frankly, there's some confusion as to the purpose of that category. Most of the material in it was as you say, but some was off topic. I think the category should be renamed so it's more obvious from its name what it's for. JMP EAX (talk) 23:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi – the Palringo article has a number of issues, mainly that it's very poorly referenced and gives undue weight to Palringo Groups. I've prepared a replacement userspace draft that is fully referenced and should tackle the issues that have been flagged. If someone could review it and feedback to me that would be much appreciated. In the interests of transparency I am declaring a conflict of interest in that I work for Bell Pottinger, a UK PR agency, and that Palringo is my client. I have made this clear on the article talk page and posted on COIN (since archived). Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 10:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Your new article is in many ways better then the one residing at Parlingo. Provided that history merge is impossible here (overlapping histories) I believe you should just go ahead and copy-paste your draft there. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 19:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello software experts. Can someone take a look at this old draft an see if the references are reliable? The draft will soon be deleted under G13 if no one takes an interest in it. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi! There is an ongoing AFD discussion regarding GoldBug instant messenger. Right now the only participants besides me are several SPAs that came via Twitter post and flooded discussion with long posts with no respect to Wikipedia policies. I urge some experienced editors to assess this article and weight in with policy-based comments. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Tech help required to improve categories
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#CatVisor and User:Paradoctor/CatVisor#Planned features if you are willing and able to assist this innovative WP project move along it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 22:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Greetings, could somebody please take a look at Mailpile and assess its notability please. I don't think there is enough extensive coverage from reliable sources to pass WP:GNG, so should be deleted. What's your view? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2014 (UTC)