Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 7

January 7

Category:Fish nervous system

Category:Fish nervous system - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. I don't know much about biology, but this doesn't sound like sort of language used by biologists. I will notify the relevant wikiproject. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Ferruccio Busoni International Piano Competition

Category:Ferruccio Busoni International Piano Competition - Template:Lc1

Category:Prize-winners of the Ferruccio Busoni International Piano Competition - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete Un-needed eponymous category for a music competition, which contains only the head article Ferruccio Busoni International Piano Competition and the prize-winners category, which itself should be deleted per WP:OC#Award_winners. The main article already includes a list of winners. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Prize-winners of the Paloma O'Shea Piano Competition

Category:Prize-winners of the Paloma O'Shea Piano Competition - Template:Lc1

Category:Paloma O'Shea International Piano Competition - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OC#Award-winners. Categories are needed only for he most significant awards, and this does not appear to be one of them. There is already a list at List of Paloma O'Shea International Piano Competition prize-winners.
The parent category Category:Paloma O'Shea International Piano Competition contains only two articles (the competition plus the list), so it can be deleted per WP:OC#SMALL. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Streets in Esfahan

Propose renaming Category:Streets in Esfahan to Category:Streets in Isfahan

Nominator's rationale: Per head article Isfahan. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Films about suburbia

Category:Films about suburbia - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Firstly, suburbia is hardly a defining a characteristic of films over the last few decades. The category's intro says that it is for "films that pertain to suburbia to at least some degree", which is so broad that it could include any film with a few scenes set in suburbia. Any more precise definition would fail WP:OC#ARBITRARY. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Weak keep It cannot be denied that suburban existence is the central driver of The 'Burbs or Revolutionary Road, and I think it is indeed useful and informative to keep them linked. But other listings are not about suburbia so much as set there, or lazily equate suburbia with any bourgeois lifestyle or existence (including those in small towns or cities). But it is generally true that "Media by topic" categories get cluttered very quickly. Is the real star of Good Will Hunting the mathematics? Is the main theme of The Crucible capital punishment? Was Broken Arrow made to capture the essence of aviation, and is Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle commonly characterized as a martial arts film? There is cleanup required to be sure— not every film set in the suburbs is about suburbia, just as not every film with drugs is a drug-related films, if this entire branch in every medium is to be kept distinct from Category:Films by genre.- choster (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Alumni by university or college in Ireland

Propose renaming 2 sub-categories of Category:Alumni by university or college in Ireland, as listed below:

• Category:Dublin City University alumni to Category:Alumni of Dublin City University
• Category:Royal Irish Academy of Music alumni to Category:Alumni of the Royal Irish Academy of Music

Nominator's rationale: - To match the other sub-cats with the standard Alumni of [Institution Name] formulation. Snappy (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Prize-winners of the Besançon Conducting Competition

Category:Prize-winners of the Besançon Conducting Competition - Template:Lc1

Category:Besançon International Music Festival - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete the prize-winners per WP:OC#Award_winners and the convention that lists are adequate for all except the most notable awards. Thee is already a list at International Besançon Competition for Young Conductors. With that category gone, the parent Category:Besançon International Music Festival contains only two articles, both alreadyy interlinked. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Category creator notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Zeebo games

Propose renaming Category:Zeebo games to Category:Zeebo-only games

Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Xbox 360-only games and Category:PlayStation 3-only games –xeno^talk 18:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Category:Xbox 360-only games is a subcat of Category:Xbox 360 games, so Category:Zeebo games seems to me to be an equivalent of Category:Xbox 360 games. I don't see anything to indicate that Category:Zeebo games consists only of games solely for the Zeebo. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. BHG is correct - indeed Street Fighter Alpha is not a Zeebo-only game. The correct procedure would be to create the subcat Category:Zeebo-only games and populate it accordingly. (Nothing to do with cfd.) Occuli (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Male rugby footballers

Propose

• Delete Category:Male rugby footballers - Template:Lc1
• Merge

• Category:Male rugby footballers by century to Category:Rugby footballers by century
• Category:Male rugby union players by century to Category:Rugby union players by century
• Category:Male rugby union forwards by century to Category:Rugby union forwards by century
• Category:20th-century male rugby footballers to Category:20th-century rugby footballers
• Category:20th-century male rugby football forwards to Category:20th-century rugby football forwards
• Category:20th-century male rugby union forwards to Category:20th-century rugby union forwards
• Category:20th-century male rugby union players to Category:20th-century rugby union players
• Category:21st-century male rugby union forwards to Category:21st-century rugby union forwards
• Category:21st-century male rugby football forwards to Category:21st-century rugby football forwards
• Category:21st-century male rugby union players to Category:21st-century rugby union players

Nominator's rationale. As the articles Rugby union and Women's rugby union make clear, rugby union has historically been overwhelmingly a male game, and despite the growth in women's rugby over the last few decades, it remains so. That means that there is a good case for creating Category:Female rugby union players, even though it currently contains only 4 articles. Per WP:Cat/gender, a female category does not need to be balanced directly against a male category where the vast majority of people in the group are male. All these male categories do is complicate the category tree, with no benefit to readers. In this case, these categories have not been heavily populated: so far as I can see, these 8 categories currently contain only 3 or 4 articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• WikiProject Rugby union and WikiProject Rugby league both notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• Merge/Delete as necessary. While breaking out the women in a male-dominated area like rugby indeed makes sense, the reverse accomplishes little but cluttering up the category tree. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• Delete My sentiments as soon as I saw the branches yesterday. Male dominated sport in which the categories offer little insight. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• Merge/Delete as necessary GainLine ♠ _♥ 09:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• Comment. This isn't relevant to this discussion so much as to whoever is closing this debate, but I checked the categories again, there actually only 2 articles (Aaron Carpenter & Al Charron) in these categories. If the male categories are removed from those two players, then the category tree is empty ... so there's no need for any merges. Just delete all the nominated categories. --12:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• Merge/Delete as necessary. Mayumashu seems to be making a cruel jest, ruthlessly combining 2 unnecessary ideas ('by century' and the male/female thing). Occuli (talk) 16:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Once these are done, I suggest deleting the rugby-players-by-century categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Historic constituencies in Ireland

Suggest renaming

• Category:Historic parliamentary constituencies in Dublin to Category:Historic constituencies in County Dublin
• Category:Historic constituencies of County Kilkenny to Category:Historic constituencies in County Kilkenny

Nominator's rationale: Rename, per convention of Category:Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland (historic). Along with Category:Historic constituencies in County Galway, these were actually the only sub-categories of Category:Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland (historic) until I created the rest of the categories a few hours ago. Although the "convention" is one that I have just created, it seems best to standardise the names. All these categories wee created by me, except Category:Historic constituencies of County Kilkenny. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Parliament of Ireland constituencies in County Kilkenny

Suggest merging Category:Parliament of Ireland constituencies in County Kilkenny to Category:Historic constituencies of County Kilkenny and Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of Ireland (to 1800)

Nominator's rationale: Merge. No need to split either category. There were only about 150 constituencies of the Parliament of Ireland, so they all fit neatly on one page. Category:Historic constituencies of County Kilkenny will only contain only 13 articles after the merger, so there is no need for it to be split. All Irish constituencies are interlinked by per-county navigation templates, so navigation is already well-provided for. Standard disambiguators are applied to constituencies for each of the three parliaments in Irish history (the pre-1800 Parliament of Ireland, the Parliament of the United Kingdom from 1801-1922, and Dáil Éireann since 1919), so anyone reading the category lists in the historic-constituencies-by-county constituencies can see which parliament each constituency article relates to. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)