User talk:Xanderliptak

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JPG → SVG?

Hi again. As you might've guessed I'm not a prince and I won't pay you money but for WP's quality improvement I'd like to ask if you could vectorize this file? I fail at using Inkscape and the like. Cheers, De728631 (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am also unfamiliar with converting images to SVG format, I work in JPG and PNG mostly. I believe I came across a Wikipedia page that deals with converting images to SVG somewhere, and I will try to search it out and see if I can find it or if I was mistaken. If I find it I will let you know and post your image therein. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 12:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, alright. Thanks a lot. De728631 (talk) 14:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Let me first apologize for not notifying you sooner. I have posted your request at Commons:Graphics_village_pump, where I was directed to also post it at Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop. It is something done at leisure of editors and contributors, and there are a few other requests before yours, but with patience it should be accomplished in due time. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 11:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for posting my file around, I'll have a look at the relevant sites :) Cheers, De728631 (talk) 18:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this spiky intrusion. I've just read your profile and saw that are really fond of diverse cultures and most particularly in their heraldry, so I guess this curiosity and interest towards foreign conceptions help you understand what are an endangered language and culture and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Keep on working on those beautiful coats of arms and emblems that are so pleasant to the eye! Capsot (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not a fan of userboxes, but I did provide the link on my page so that I am listed under the category lending my support. I do not familiarize myself with Wikipedia nor Wikimedia culture much, so am not very familiar with what is required of the chapters, or if it is possible or wanted that a chapter exist across boundaries. But, the world is not so clean-cut-a-place to fit neatly within predetermined borders, so good luck to you and your effort. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 14:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, many thanks, I am really grateful, if you ever need something from me about Catalan or Occitan coats of arms, emblems or anything else, just let me know, take care and have a wonderful weekend! Capsot (talk) 12:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Escutcheon of Bosnia from 1340 by Alexander Liptak.png

I have removed the {{speedy}} from this. Neither Turelio nor I can find the higher grade image which you mention. If, indeed, you have an identical higher quality image, upload it over this. In any case, when you tag an image with speedy, tell us where the new image is.. . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Arms of Mary of Hungary

I've been editing the article about Mary of Austria (1505-1558) and I thought that having her coat of arms would be useful. There is a coat of arms at the Commons (File:Blason MariedeHongrie.svg), but I'd like to have a coat of arms identical to the one above Mary's tomb (see File:GrabMaria von Ungarn.jpg). According to the Women in heraldry article, this was indeed her coat of arms during her marriage, but there are no sources to confirm that she ever used it. On the other hand, the coat depicted above her tomb is (again, according to the Women in heraldry article) the coat she used as a widow. The image of her tomb is the only source we've got and a very reliable one as well. I'd appreciate if someone could create the coat of arms that resembles the one above her tomb (on a lozenge, with a cordeliere) or at least tell me how I can do it myself. Thanks, Surtsicna (talk) 13:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The SVG image is correct, and shows the same arms from the tomb image. While it would be more common to display the arms of a woman on a lozenge, it is not unheard of nor improper to have them on a shield and would be wasted time and effort for so meaningless a change. Also, the cords are not part of the armorial device but a courtesy to show that Mary was a widow, so the cords should not be included unless specifically pointing out that her husband has died before her. So the SVG image is fine and accurate. The coat of arms could be more complete, though, if it also displayed her crown, however the tomb image is cropped and her crown is not visible. I would have no issue drawing up something new if you could find or were aware of which crown she was entitled to. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 14:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. The problem is that I need the coat of arms for the section about her widowhood and that I need the coat of arms to be sourced (i.e. to avoid original resarch at all costs). I don't have any sources which describe her coat of arms except for the photograph and so I need a coat of arms that resembles the one in the photograph. I can't prove that she ever displayed her coat of arms on a shield. I don't insist on the cords but the arms will be used in the section about her widowhoow and should describe her as a widow. I know little about heraldry so I don't even know which types of heraldic crowns exist; Mary was queen of Hungary and Bohemia, so I guess she was entitled to the Holy Crown of Hungary and the Crown of Saint Wenceslas. Surtsicna (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Though she was a queen, she was the queen consort and may not have been allowed the use of those crowns for her personal arms. I will look about and see if I can find another image of her tomb and see what crown is used, and then make a drawing for you. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 14:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Here it is File:Coat of arms of Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary by Alexander Liptak.png, not sure where you were wanting it in the article. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I have placed the arms in Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary#Regency in Hungary and marriage proposals. Thanks once again. Surtsicna (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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The arms as you requested.

File:Coat of arms of Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary by Alexander Liptak.png

[tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:09, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

They look wonderful! Thank you for your effort. The arms will significantly enhance the quality of the article, which I have nominated for GA status. Cheers, Surtsicna (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Marie of Hungary

hello

File:Coat of arms of Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary by Alexander Liptak.png. this coat of arms is not good because it is "white and red" and not "red and white". see you --Chatsam (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup for catching my error so quickly, it has been fixed. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 10:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

about which portrait you speak to me ? Chatsam (talk) 13:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The file you listed here, File:Coat of arms of Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary by Alexander Liptak.png. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 14:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

There is another coats of arms as queen of Hungary [1]. Sorry for my english also. --Chatsam (talk) 15:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The version I had made is based upon the arms over the Queen’s tomb, so I am confident it is accurate. She likely had right to several quarters, though, but might have only used the simple version comprised of two halves out of simplicity towards the end of her life. She may then have used several different versions throughout her life. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 18:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC) [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 18:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

...for cleaning the Cook image up, looks much better. Regards. Justin talk 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, but it was nothing. Took only a couple minutes to grey-scale and increase the contrast a bit. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 20:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Leo XIII

Hi, why did you change this coa? [2]? --Atlan da Gonozal (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Because the SVG image is not very detailed or artistic. Though it seems another editor prefers the SVG and already replaced it. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 02:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

O'Neill coat of arms

File:Coat of arms of the Uí Néills, Princes of Tyrone by Alexander Liptak.png

Please be careful when adding coats of arms to articles about medieval Irish kings. Coats of arms were unknown in pre-Norman Ireland. Post-Norman Invasion, there is no evidence that I am aware of that the O'Neill's adopted any English-style coat of arms before their final defeat in 1603. Also, can you provide a source for the arms that you have drawn? On a quick search of the net, there is nothing similar in a Google image search or on dedicated sites such as araltas.com or the Coat of Arms Store. Finally, if adding images of coats of arms, please do not enlarge the thumbnail. There is no reason why an image of a coat of arms should dominate an article. Scolaire (talk) 08:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

You do not seem to be familiar with heraldry, but the links you provided show a white shield with a red hand. My image shows a white shield with a red hand. The scrolling ornature outside the shield are meaningless and do not change the arms, and it was a very popular style throughout the 17th century up until the mid 19th century, a style which I mimicked for this version because there is no crest for the arms and it fills the dead space.

I do not know what you mean by "English styled", but coats of arms are not an English phenomenon.

As for this enlarging the thumb, as you accused, please be aware the standard thumb size is 220px. So by placing images at 200px, it is actually slightly smaller than the thumb size, and is by no means an attempt to dominate an article if it comes in at 20px smaller than the standard sizing. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Alexander, however talented you may be at designing coats of arms, Scolaire has rightly signalled a few problems here. First of all, you haven't provided any reliable secondary source for your reconstruction, which you may not come across at popular heraldry websites, but which is much needed here at Wikipedia. Second, you can't make it seem as if it were representative of the Uí Néill / O'Neill throughout history when those coats of arms became popular only as late as the early modern period. Third, if the ornature is meaningless, why provide it at all? That only muddles things. Cavila (talk) 10:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

What an odd request. I should limit my illustrations, which are accepted by the Heraldry WikiProject mind you, because you personally don't know much about the subject? Since Wikipedia's goal is to expand knowledge, not censor it to conform to preconceived notions which may be inaccurate, consider this an exercise in expanding your knowledge on heraldry. Ornature is added not because it is meaningful, but because it is considered beautiful. I am sorry that you may not be interested in beautifying Wikipedia, but I am; this is actually the reason I spend time illustrating for Wikipedia.

I do not attribute the arms to people that never used them, but to descendants of thos people who indeed did use them. Perhaps this is too far removed from the subject of the concerned articles, but these articles have one or even no images whatsoever. When there are more relevant images found to be used, then replace the coat of arms image. 'Til then, it does no harm.

How about I use as my source for the white shield and red hand in my image the white shield and red hand found in WikiMedia Commons already? Or the sources already provided above? Or both? [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 11:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Errr, hate to break this to you, but it's not me you would be doing a favour: ever heard of Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources, created in the not so recent past? Now, I understand you were merely trying to replace the old image with one which is more accurate, apart from the fluff, and arguably better looking, to boot, but at least try to be careful about the context in which you place the image, clarify if necessary, and produce some proper references (which shouldn’t be too difficult). That's all. Cavila (talk) 18:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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I've no particular view on the rights or wrongs of this debate, but can anyone provide a link to the O'Neill 'arms' as approved by the Chief Herald of Ireland, or does such an 'official' design not exist? RashersTierney (talk) 10:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

These arms pre-exist the heralds and their authority over Ireland. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 11:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Not what I asked, but thanks anyway. RashersTierney (talk) 11:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Then to more directly answer your question, no. You can not ask the Chief Herald of Ireland, created in 1943, or the Ulster King of Arms, created in 1552, for records prior to the mid-16th century because, well, they don‘t exist. Ireland did not regulate heraldry through law like England did, so there are no ‘official’ records of arms. This is the same practice in France, Italy, Germany and so forth, and many of the arms you see used by popes, noble and royal families had no ‘’de jure’’ designation, just a ‘’de facto’’ use. There is also no set design. The O’Neills of Ulster use a red left hand cut at the wrist on a white shield, and any way you draw it, realistic, Impressionistic, Cubistic, ornate, Surrealistic, Modernistic, cartoonish, is fine so long as it is a red left hand cut at the wrist on a white shield of some sort. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 12:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for comprehensive reply. Appreciate the trouble. RashersTierney (talk) 12:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

It is no problem. I hope I did not come across too aggressive. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 12:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. RashersTierney (talk) 00:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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I know about the red hand. There are many variations. I've searched out some links for you that might help.

"The Red Hand of Ulster's a paradox quite,
To Baronets 'tis said to belong;
If they use the leftwo hand, they're sure to be right,
And to use the right hand uld be wrong.
For the Province, a different custom applies,
And just the reverse is the rule;
If you use the right hand you'll be right, safe and wise,
If you use the left hand you're a fool."

This first one is a bit like yours: [3][4][5][6][7][8]

Are you from Ireland?Malke2010 02:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Here's another [9]Malke2010 02:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. My maternal grandmother comes from O'Neill and Kennedy Irish families, which led me to take an interest in the articles concerning those families. Since heraldry is also my interest, I tend to focus more towards that. A common error with the O'Neills is forgetting which hand to use, and which hand is for Ulster, and an encyclopaedia should not continue so common a mistake. Thanks again. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 05:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, people don't know the left from the right hand, :D, which is why I posted that poem on your page. We're from Kilkenny. Do you know the coat of arms for the Fitzgeralds?Malke2010 08:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you related to one of the Fitzgerald families? I know of the arms of two Fitzgeralds, one a duke the other an earl. Mr. Medevev of Russia, I do not know if you have seen his work, but he has rather the amusing rendition of the duke's arms, with the monkeys and all. Then there are a few Fitzgeralds that have crests listed in a book I have, I am sure some are related since they are knights and all and likely appointed such because of their relationship.

Seems the Kilkenny arms in the Wikipedia article could use some work, too. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we're Fitzgeralds, knights and hooligans. And not all from Kilkenny. I'll have to check with my family, we have a relative who is knowledgeable on these matters. But if you have any images, I'd appreciate seeing them. Thanks.Malke2010 09:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I have never personally made a drawing of the Fitzgeralds yet. I was familiar with them through Mr. Medvedev and through the arms of John Kennedy, who descended form teh Fitzgeralds of Desmond. Since the Fitzgerald article wrongly presents the viscount's arms as the duke's, perhaps I should next have a go at the duke's arms. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd be interested to see your rendering of that. Also, I'm sending you an email with some more family background. Not sure if we're related to Rose Fitzgerald. My cousin is getting better at uncovering family ties so maybe we are afterall.Malke2010 09:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, check email.Malke2010 09:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. O Fenian (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I have raised your misuse of Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. O Fenian (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Prince of Tyrone coat of arms

Hello Alexander.

My name is Adrian Tyrone de Larrain and according to my family I am the primogeniture to the Prince of Tyrone, my father being the 52nd Prince of Tyrone. I actually love this coat of arms, extremely well done. As long as there is a white shield with a red hand it absolutely represents the O’Neills of Tyrone. I was wondering though, about the design encompassing it as well as the crown on top. Is that a Spanish marquis crown?206.116.73.178 (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. The scrolling ornature is simply decorative, since there is no crest or mantling to decorate the shield with. I do not like to leave noble or royal arms simpler than a commoners arms. As for the coronet, it is a generic coronet used in mediaeval times in the British Isles to denote a royal family. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 09:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Re-adding coat of arms

Please self-revert your re-addition of the disputed image on articles. It is in breach of consensus over several talk pages. Your edits are disruptive. --Scolaire (talk) 06:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the bot-like application by you of this disputed graphic has seriously backfired, and I would also request that you self-revert until this issue has been settled at a centralised discussion. Upping the ante during a heated dispute is rarely a good strategy. RashersTierney (talk) 10:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)