Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional magic users (2nd nomination)

List of fictional magic users

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List of fictional parasites (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

List of fictional characters with telekinesis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominating the remaining members of Category:Lists of fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability. Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of fictional characters by superhuman feature or ability, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional characters who can fly, and numerous other AFDs linked from those discussions, these lists are not appropriate content on Wikipedia. It seems they have corresponding categories that duplicate the functionality of this list as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• Delete while many types of reference lists are more than worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia (except where WP:DIRECTORY applies) lists of this nature are not in line with the guidelines nor should Wikipedia be including all these lists. Kind of hinting at the idea of non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. --Dripping oil (talk) 20:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Kind of stupid, but I don't see any reason not to have this list. There is no problem with defining "fictional" and "magic" to determine the list. Borock (talk) 21:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand. How a list is defined is one thing. How the categories virtually duplicate through cross-categorizations is another. --Dripping oil (talk) 21:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Having both a list and a category for the same thing is common on WP. Borock (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to ignore your !vote since you don't seem to provide any "keep" rationale. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep List of fictional parasites, no opinion on the others. The other lists are selected by ability, but the Parasites list is selected by nature, and is more like the other members of Category:Lists of fictional animals e.g. species/families of animals. I see that some of those have already survived AfD with a Keep decision, see AfD:List of fictional penguins which refers to others. It was created as a result of a Listify decision at CFD with an explicit intention that it should not be proposed for deletion. These parasites should be accessible within Category:Parasites but a list is better than a category. I acknowledge that it needs work, and suggest a Rescue. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —Axem Titanium (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. —Axem Titanium (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --Axem Titanium (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete magic users, telekinetic folks and superhuman speedsters; keep fictional parasites. The distinction is that there is an attempt being made to make the parasites list something more than indiscriminate. The other three are wasted opportunities that follow the boring "click on the blue link" format. Most of the superhero articles, with tables to explain that Marvel Comics and DC Comics were, indeed, comic books, got deleted during the summer. Obviously, "List of fictional characters who can move at superhuman speeds" got away because it could move so quickly. Mandsford 13:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Seeing the other AfD the category Category:Fictional characters who use magic seems to do the job just fine. This article also fails per WP:DIRECTORY, the only way I can see this article being kept is if it were renamed to something like List of Notable fictional magic users, but then a criteria would have to be placed to see who would qualify. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete could not find third-party sources to WP:verify notability. The focus of these lists are a topic of original research and represent an unencyclopedic cross-categorization. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Fictional parasites should definitely be considered separately. Weak Delete on the others as directory style listings better handled by categories. I continue to be of the belief that straight lists of articles (as opposed to ordered lists or those with extensive discussion about inclusion criteria or the nature of each entry) that duplicate categories are neither necessary nor helpful but have not generally seen a consensus for such a view. Eluchil404 (talk) 17:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep for 30 days to give time for most-interested-editors to improve with descriptions, groupings by type, etc., per a specified metric:

1. words per entry: >12 (copy lede in?)
2. Per prosesize (if it could count prose in lists) ratio of at least 40% prose size(text only)/wikitext.

or else delete especially if all listed characters are already in a category. --Lexein (talk) 18:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

If anyone shows signs of wanting to work on these over the next seven days, then I'd say to reconsider on whichever ones have that quality. Some do have categories, with Category:DC Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds and Category:Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds (although no category simply called "Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds"-- perhaps the Marvel ones deal with relevant social issues at superhuman speeds). Mandsford 19:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep List of fictional parasites and Delete all others. it's not that big and the fictional parasites on there have individual notability, if only someone would take the sources from the other articles and put it into this list. Plus, the gaming parasites even have reception here: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/211647/10-most-blood-curdling-video-game-parasites/ The rest I think are on TV tropes right? So they'd be fine to delete. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Keep First of all I thank nominator for notifying users kindly. Lots of AFD nominators does not bother spending time on notifying others and prefer a small AFD with a few people. [In similar manner lots of users doesn't even bother creating content/editing articles anyway]
  • Wikipedia has some unique features that cannot be accomplished anywhere else. Yet, people constantly try deleting info valuable for specific users or specific needs. Lots of much more important and extensive comparison table and list based articles about comics have already been deleted. My point: Useful page/category for comic fans/researchers. Not useful to anyone else. If people put effort creating some useful/verifiable content for some readers, people may simply ignore, keep or just improve the page instead wasting time on talk page/AFD debates in long term. My point: whatever you say, the comparative article/categories are valuable and informative for comic fans and experts.
  • Some general thoughts on AFDs [not current AFD]: Wikipedia policies are not clear, AFD discussions mostly based on a few or a few dozen coincidental users' opinion who happen to read via AFD tag or watchlist since most of the AFD's don't have a proper notification system. Yet there is no place users can change Wiki policies effectively as individuals. Even most of the AFD guidelines or AFD nominating steps are very vague, AFD nominating is easy with 1 button, but creating or keeping info is harder since there are various deletionist users around. Kasaalan (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete all but keep [[list of fictional parasites, per comments above. Spatulli (talk) 22:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)