Talk:Albanian National Awakening

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The source of this article is presumably more or less impartial, therefore I think we should check the claims that it is POV.

The third paragraph of the Balkan Wars section makes an incorrect claim. There was not a majority or even sizable population of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo in 1913. Ethnic Albanians moved to the region notably during the first and second world wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.176.47.203 (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Renaissance

The term Renaissance (rebirth) links to movements related to art and higher education, but til now it is not related with nations and national awakening. When i first saw the term 'Albanian Renaissance' I thought there was a movement of higher art and thought in the region in Albania (the term links to Da Vinci anyway). Is there any reliable source stating that the article's title really is really relevant with the content.Alexikoua (talk) 04:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, national revival or national awakening are more common.--Mladifilozof (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Igor dropped the following passage:

[Montenegro,] whose tribesmen had resorted to terror, mass murder, and forced conversion in territories it coveted,

"Terror" and "mass murder" are POV terms. But I think we anyway have to state what happened or didn't happen. The passage might be POV in the sense that the deeds of only one party are mentioned. Igor inserted a passage about Montenegrins' losses but it seems to imply war.

As these events are disputed, we need evidence, and more precise descriptions. Andres 12:06, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

There was: The key event in the Serbs' national mythology, the defeat of their forces by the Ottoman Turks,

This was really sort of point of view. But I still think that when the author used the word mythology he didn't imply the unreality of the event but that in Serbs' national self-consciousness it played a similar role as Skanderbeg's resistance in that of Albanian's. Andres 12:19, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Igor dropped the sentence: Finally, Albanians claim Kosovo based on the fact that their kinsmen have constituted the vast majority of Kosovo's population since at least the eighteenth century.

Presumably Igor dropped this sentence because he disputes that the above-mentioned "fact" is a fact. But even if isn't it is claimed to be a fact by Albanians. What about substituting "their claim" for "the fact"?

It seems to me that this argument of the Albanians in no way can be dropped because else their claim to Kosovo would not be understandable. Probably this disputed point of Albanians should be elaborated in the text of the article and the details of the dispute should be presented in a separate article.

Besides, I think that even the argument that Albanians constitute a vast majority on some territory at a given moment has some strength at that moment, not considering the history. Therefore it might be artificial to bond the claims about the present and the past in an inseparable whole like the dropped passage is. Andres 12:38, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Question

What deos "Albanian Vilayets" mean? Also, I would like to give credits to the writer of this article - it's perfectly written. However, I fail to see the relevance of a whole section on the Kosovo question that goes indeep to history of Kosovo (going even to the medieval ages?). --PaxEquilibrium 21:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Albanians have no national remains are you that wrong??--Dodona (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

References

I am adding some references. Please feel free to work more on editing based on the links I provided. Bests Aigest (talk) 16:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Rising up of Albanians and definition of albanian borders in declaration of independence.

"In 1912, with the outbreak of the First Balkan War, the Albanians rose up and declared the creation of an independent Albania, which included what are now Albania and Kosovo."

This sentence is exact copy of one text written not by historician but by (fe)male expert in politics, almost 100 years after the event, and can not be used as suitable source for the text of the article.

Albanian Declaration of Independence says nothing about borders of Albania, therefore I propose to delete:

"which included what are now Albania and Kosovo".

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)