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DYK for Photios of Korytsa[edit]

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DYK for Eritha[edit]

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DYK for Military of Mycenaean Greece[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Northern Epirote Declaration of Independence[edit]

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Invitation to the African Destubathon[edit]

Hi. You may be interested in participating in the African Destubathon which starts on October 15. Africa currently has over 37,000 stubs and badly needs a quality improvement editathon/contest to flesh out basic stubs. There are proposed substantial prizes to give to editors who do the most articles, and planned smaller prizes for doing to most destubs for each of the 53 African countries, so should be enjoyable! So it would be a good chance to win something for improving stubs on African sportspeople, including footballers, athletes, Olympians and Paralympians etc, particularly female ones, but also male. Even if contests aren't your thing we would be grateful if you could consider destubbing a few African articles during the drive to help the cause and help reduce the massive 37,000 + stub count, of which many are rated high importance (think Regions of countries etc). If you're interested in competing or just loosely contributing a few expanded articles on African Paralympians, Olympians and committees etc, please add your name to the Contestants/participants section. Diversity of work from a lot of people will make this that bit more special. Thanks. --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


DYK for Lyngiades massacre[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 10 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lyngiades massacre, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 71 years after the Lyngiades massacre in Greece, President Joachim Gauck was Germany's first official representative to visit the site and express his apologies for the Wehrmacht's atrocities? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lyngiades massacre. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lyngiades massacre), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Precious[edit]

Greece and Albania

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Thank you for quality articles such as Lyngiades massacre, Georgios Soulios and Eritha, for watching over articles, for supplying new information to the DYK section and uploading featured images, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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A year ago, you were recipient no. 1550 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Reference errors on 9 February[edit]

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Article without a proper Talk Page[edit]

Hi, how have you been? May I ask for some help?

There is a problem that is plaguing me on the following article: Greek shipping. As you see, if you attempt to go to that article's Talk Page, you will be re-directed to the talk page of a different article instead (Talk:Greek Merchant Marine). I am confused how and why this happens instead of maintaining its own talk at: Talk:Greek Shipping. I understand that the two articles are pretty similar, but this cannot explain why a single talk page is shared, given how the articles do have their differences too. -- SILENTRESIDENT 01:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I've fixed this weird redirection to another talkpage. Thanks for the notice.Alexikoua (talk) 09:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thank you very very much. -- SILENTRESIDENT 12:01, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

This Barnstar is for you![edit]

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Albania demographics --[edit]

Hello, i deleted some information from the Albania article because its to much information that isnt much relevant, see also other articles, the section should inform about the spoken languages in the country and not any issues during the census! thank you

I understand your point. I would appreciate if you initiate a discussion in the article's talkpage about what exactly should be removed and why. Best.Alexikoua (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Thesprotia[edit]

Hello, I was wondering if you have anywhere stats on the number of Greek and Vlach speakers in Thesprotia for the various surveys (1913, 1925 etc) in the table on the Chameria page. Currently the table only counts Albanian speakers. I want to also include the data on their numbers, and in North Chameria as well, for the sake of the completeness of demographic information on the page. Did the Greek surveys enumerate speakers of Greek and Vlach in the region, or Albanian (Muslims)? also weren't there supposed to be Grecophone Muslims around Filiates too at one point? Thanks! --Yalens (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Emboria[edit]

Sorry to bother you, but I'm making a new file and I had a curiosity which I think you might be able to answer: the Aravandinos map has an apparent Greek pocket in a town called "Emboria" near Korca ([[1]]) in the 19th century. I can't find anything using various search engines about such a town-- did it have another name, or was it some mapping error? Thanks again --Yalens (talk) 05:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Turkey#RfC--lead. Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 11:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I was interested in your thoughts on this[edit]

Hey Alexikoua, sorry things might have been a bit testy between us lately. I thought about it and I thought maybe, regarding the Chameria page, since some definitions of Chameria include parts of Louros kaza (Parga, right?), there should, be a separate row in the chart that I made for Chameria-including-Louros, though I'm not sure how to handle the fact that the borders of Chameria even in the larger sense don't really align well with the kaza borders (at least the parts of Albania in Filiates kaza were in fact also Chameria). I'm sorry for responding to that with only annoyance before as in hindsight that was a fair point if considered in isolation. Thanks, and cheers. --Calthinus (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

The article contains several issues one of them is the problematic nature of the boundaries: for example the lede map reflects a different region compared to the table. What makes you believe that Louros Kaza is part of Chameria but Preveza not?Alexikoua (talk) 23:57, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't have a specific belief that Louros is part of Chameria but not Preveza. The boundaries issue is difficult because there's no consistency. Most would agree that Thesprotia (is Chameria and perhaps Konispol as a footnote. Sometimes for Albania Chameria can mean "places where Chams came to Albania from" nowadays but despite that there are many Albanians who would include Parga which historically also had Cham Albanian language/culture (and "Cham Greek" culture too though no one says that phrase). I have seen some definitions that include Preveza (Elsie apparently?), or even Ioannina But it would seem crazy to me to include Ioannina especially since I've never heard of the places in between being called Chameria. When I made that table I chose the places that were not questioned as part of Chameria. The page doesn't really discuss Preveza or Giannina much. But there is Parga, Fanari. As I remember properly way back after I had fixed that chart as separate, you and Resnjari had a spat about this with him wanting the larger definition and you wanting the smaller and I took your side then. I do value your opinion-- what do you think is the best way forward regarding the boundaries at this point? --Calthinus (talk) 05:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Per Ottoman administration Parga & most of Fanari was part of Margariti kaza. Louros kaza doesn't lies on the Ionian coast and it's east of Preveza kaza. Thus it would be obvious OR to claim that Louros is in Chameria but Preveza k. isn't. In terms of Ottoman administrastion (and not Albanian nationalism/culture/presence etc.) Camlik/Chameria was an area that included the three kazas of Risadiye: Paramythia, Filiates, Margariti [[2]].Alexikoua (talk) 06:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah see this is why I'm consulting you about it. But please note it's not my claim that Louros is part but Preveza isn't-- I'm trying to figure out the best way to go forward. So as I understand it your stance is that in the table at least what should be reflected is Paramythia, Filiates and Margariti, as it is currently? I had thought you objected to that on that discussion that ... unfortunately ended up hijacking poor Othon's thread on Wikiproject Greece. --Calthinus (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
As I've said the specific article has serious issues: one of them is that the specific table (and the rest of the numerical estimations) deals with a different region... if we accept that the lead map is of some historical value.Alexikoua (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Just did this [[3]]. Map issues were indeed present here... --Calthinus (talk) 16:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
That's fine, though the most accepted version should be placed at the lede.Alexikoua (talk) 07:23, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
[[4]]--Calthinus (talk) 20:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid that Metsovo and Pogoni should also be added since Elsie states that Chameria is an alternative term S. Epirus according to S. Frasheri's work.Alexikoua (talk) 06:23, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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A middle solution to the dispute[edit]

I have decided to intervene to the dispute you and Calthinus are having, by merging the two different maps and their sources into one single map. Please could you give me some time? I am working on that map right now. --SILENTRESIDENT 22:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Thank you SR.Alexikoua (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The updated map of Calthinus will contain the sources from Philippe Rekacewicz and George Soteriadisthat from the other map, which are missing, to balance it per WP:NPOV. I expect you and Calthinus to stop with this fight once and for all. --SILENTRESIDENT 22:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate your effort & it sounds actually interesting.Alexikoua (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
The missing sources have been restored on the new map. I shall note that the blue line is thinner in portions where there are more than two population groups inhabiting these areas at once, for obvious reasons. Please make a Cache Refresh on your web browser (the shortcut usually is SHIFT+REFRESH) to see the updates on the map. Now that all the sources are included, I expect this compromise to settle the dispute between you and Calthinus once and for all. If there is anything else I can do, please let me know. --SILENTRESIDENT 22:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Also I highly recommend that the new map by Calthinus is allowed on all topic articles where due to disagreements, was removed/reverted. OK? it is a pretty good map and I can't see what other problems there may be, especially now that all the missing sources have been included. --SILENTRESIDENT 22:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Review request[edit]

Hello! Would you mind reviewing my article about the Origin Hypotheses of the Albanians? It's not exactly finished yet, though your suggestions would be welcome. Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar (talk) 12:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Origin_Hypotheses_of_the_Albanians

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Discussion at Talk:Gjirokastër[edit]

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DYK for Candia massacre[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 10 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Candia massacre, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that two months after the Candia massacre, the last Ottoman soldiers left Crete, ending 253 years of Ottoman rule? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Candia massacre. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Candia massacre), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

moscopole[edit]

Hi Alexikoua, could you please provide me some sources about the spiritual centres of Aromanians. thxVerginia's star (talk) 18:45, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Aromanians were spiritually attached to the Eastern Orthodox Church of Constantinople. The spiritual centers of the Aromanians coincide with the ones of this Church.Alexikoua (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Evacuation of Ayvalik[edit]

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Wrong userpage[edit]

Hey, didn't you notice you've been editing the wrong userpage? User:Skylax is not the same as User:Skylax30. Other than that, giving the latter person barnstars for their tedious POV-pushing shows pretty poor judgment on your part, but that's of course hardly a surprise. Fut.Perf. 15:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have to disagree about the POV-pushing. I believe a better example may be the Resnjari-Ktrimi case: as soon as Ktrimi calls someone a troll [[5]] then Resnjari ASAP grabs the opportunity to offers Barnstars [[6]].Alexikoua (talk) 15:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The first part of your message is understandable, given that the wrong user was given a barnstar by Alexikoua. The sarcasm contained in the second part is completely unwarranted. Alexikoua is a respected editor who has helped for years oppose heavy POV-pushing in Balkan articles. What makes your criticism even more callous is that his article creation history is far better than yours. Instead of wasting time on petty sarcasm directed at prolific and constructive editors such as Alexikoua, I suggest you go write a few articles. But I won't hold my breath. Dr. K. 15:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

May I know what exactly happened, since my username is mentioned here?--Skylax30 (talk) 20:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I had the intention to post you some advice about the use of 19th century sources. My fault was that I've posted the text to the wrong userpage (to talk:Skylax instead of you). It appears that my initiative triggered controversy [[7]].Alexikoua (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, by a user/admin who specializes in articles where Albanian or Turkish views are a bit weak.--Skylax30 (talk) 13:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

For the record[edit]

I didn't [[8]]. And I'm pretty confused. You emailed me once and if I remember properly you just sent me a (good, thanks) source from Skendi so I'm entirely unaware why even if I forwarded a source you once sent me that would be somehow sinful. --Calthinus (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I wonder if that's the first time Ktrimi attempts Wikipedia:OUTING, posting personal details publicly in wikipedia (in this case posting exact text "" where all 20 google hits point exactly that).Alexikoua (talk) 22:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
??? WP:OUTING, what? Diff please?--Calthinus (talk) 23:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Candia massacre article[edit]

A couple of points;

About 370 men of the HLI were present in Candia on 6th September 1898. See L.B. Oatts, Proud heritage, the story of the Highland Light Infantry Vol. 3 Chapter 3 (Glasgow 1961) In addition there were a small number of men from other assorted arms present.

Only one Victoria Cross was awarded for activity during the massacre and that was to Surgeon William Maillard, Royal Naval Medical Service. See Londion Gazette 2 December 1898.

I'm not sure that there was a 'blanket bombardment of the city. The only warship to open fire was H.M.S. Hazard and she fired a relatively small number of shots.

There was no evidence found by the British court of Enquiry that Edhem Pasha 'was involved in the outbreak of violence'. There was plenty of suggestion that he might have known about it but there was also evidence that the British were aware of the possibility of violence on the takeover of the Dime. The details of the British enquiry are in the national Archive at Kew, London, at ADM 116/93 Vol.2 Unfortunately Pritchards account in Carey is somewhat inaccurate in a number of places; for example he states that Edhem Pasha was executed by the British when in fact he left the island several day after the massacre.

Mickmct (talk) 09:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd realized that there was something wrong with both primary and secondary sources about the subject.Alexikoua (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK Nom/Petros Lanztas[edit]

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DYK for Petros Lantzas[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 4 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Petros Lantzas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1608, Greek spy Petros Lantzas devised a plan to assassinate the Ottoman Sultan by placing a present containing explosives in front of him? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Petros Lantzas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
What does this sentence 'say'?
As a result, the Greek confidantes of the Venetians and their agents in Corfu and the Ottoman Empire passed after Naples, then part of the Spanish Empire.
What is a 'confidantes'? Is it a land possession?
What does "passed after Naples" mean?
Looking at Ottoman–Venetian War (1570–1573)#Peace settlement and aftermath isn't helping me decode this sentence. Shenme (talk) 05:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

"Fire of Manisa" etc[edit]

If you check the article about Massacres during Greek War of Independence you can find the previous version before my last edit. Still the article is in need of revision as I only changed the order of the massacres - the Turkish are still exaggerated and use 50-50 space... Also, checked the Massacre of Phocaea...Beickus (talk) 23:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello again I need your help. I tried to change the article in question and Pablomartinez reverted it on formality grounds. This is my edit:

The alleged "Fire of Manisa" by the Turkish side story is a good example of the 50-50 well known Turkish position regarding alleged massacres committed either by Armenians or Greeks to justify not only the Turkish "justified" retaliation and atrocities but also the Armenian and the Greek genocides. This is indeed a perfect example and the Genocide deniers provide it themselves. The story that follows is the Turkish position as explained already and it has not been altered. The problems of accepting this position as true are many. While on the Great Fire of Smyrna (notice the "Fire of Manisa" as opposed to the Great Fire of Smyrna) there was no safe way to ascertain casualties, and thus range from 10.000 up to 100.000, here there is an exact number provided by the Turkish side. The story has to appear as a real one by those who fabricated it. Nothing below has been altered and the conclusions may come naturally.

I put it on the top so that the Genocide deniers' allegations would follow... Something has to be done about that article, maybe it has to be deleted as you suggested... Beickus (talk) 22:44, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

In my experience as soon as I see large scale discrepancies in an article I prefer to change all problematic sections of the main text first. When the main body of the text is almost fixed then it will be possible for other editors to be convinced that it's time to change the lede in order to reflect what's really going on.Alexikoua (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

You are no doubt more experienced to suggest this and you should go for it if you believe it will work. I just thought by exposing the current article we could make a point. Pablomartinez deleted that paragraph because it didn't look constructive and neutral to him. Of course he has his reasons and I have mine. I don't believe his actions were neutral as he would like to think. I don't necessarily deny there might have been an incident of "minor scale" as Churchill pointed in the other instance but look at what we have here, thousands of deaths, this is not a mistake this is not a POV it is a policy that Genocide deniers employ. If we are to alter the article we still have to expose this policy, this is the most important thing I think. By just replacing one figure with another we miss that.Beickus (talk) 23:09, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

EOKA[edit]

Hi Alexikoua, I have just started a discussion in EOKA's Talk Page. Among other things, I am discussing Political Perception and made an indirect mention to your contribution (adding the perception of F. Castro). I feel sourcing news articles is not the way forward in History articles. It is undue. Please have a look and I 'd appreciate any feedback. Cheers Τζερόνυμο (talk) 08:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I just wonder why the entire section is based on news articles (huryiet, NYT, Chinese media etc.). Maybe this part needs to be written from scratch.Alexikoua (talk) 09:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Seen your edit in eoka's article, citing this thesis, but no page was mentioned. Can you please fill it? Cheers, Τζερόνυμο (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok, it 's page 56.Τζερόνυμο (talk) 21:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Those citation tags are too complicated sometimes. Thanks for the notice.Alexikoua (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Byzantine Greeks[edit]

Interesting the latest developments to this article, some users would like to change the name to Byzantines claiming that there is no connection to Greeks and placing POV tags. The same users have been reverted lately various times due to POV pushing. Thanks for your latest additions though. Othon I (talk) 18:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)