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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for the Barnstar AleksiKoua. Alexis A Gounaris (talk) 12:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

February 2014[edit]

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Question about Removal of a picture as being irrelevant[edit]

Hi! I see that an image has been removed as being irrelevant. The image comes from the original Turkish article, and refers to the related time period, so I want to ask about this. Massacres against Turks in the Balkans during the Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire The reason I ask is that the person that added it is a newcomer, and expressed a desire for the original article in turkish to be translated into english. I do not understand the turkish, but I promised to help clear up misunderstandings and such , if he would do the translation and transfer. I do appreciate that the image seems out of place with current small text, but I am hoping that the newcomer will make it grown. On a side-note: If the image is irrelevant and to be deleted from this article, should you not also delete that same image from the original article?

Also, for this to be clear to the newcomer, perhaps you could explain this clearly on the talk page of the article? This way, the person that added the image will get a clearer picture of what is happening, and how best for him to proceed with the article. This is to encourage him to continue to contribute. Star Lord - 星王 (talk) 15:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt and detailed reply, and for your offer to have a look at how the article might be improved. I appreciate it. Please let me know if there is an editor problem. Star Lord - 星王 (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I have now read a text which indicates that the text will not, after all, be translated from Turkish. Since I cannot translate it myself, I am sorry that I started an article that I can not really take responsibility for alone, due to lack of knowledge in the subject. I still feebly hope against hope that the article was not totally in vain, but please do with it as you will. If there is anything you think I can do to clean up the mess, please tell me. Star Lord - 星王 (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding Fan noli[edit]

Please stop reverting things that you have no idea of . The source is showing exactly the name i wrote .... ! Next time do check , before changing . It can be that simple , although i know that your reverts are nationalistically motivated .

The source that you claimed and changed my revert > http://www.archontology.org/nations/albania/00_1918_1925_s.php

The footnote of the source( copy pasted ) for ur convenience > Absent from the national territory (2 Jul 1924 - before 13 Nov 1924) and represented in Albania by mitropolit Theofan Stilian Noli (also known as Fan Noli)

Any further revert will be forwarded to the relevant mods . I promise you . Have a nice day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.170.170 (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to present a decent argument in the correspodent talkpage.Alexikoua (talk) 13:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Heya, just letting you know that you forgot to sign your review of my DYK nomination. Thanks --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you. Happy editing. :) --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Neutral speech[edit]

Althou wp is not a forum, per neutral speach that is needed to be used on talk pages, I, of course do not imply that Omonoia and Golden Down are the same thing. Actualy, by debating with you that omonia is not irredentist I proved it. Of course you should know that PDIU and KPR have nothing to do with irredentism and extremism, they are both advocating for the Cham Issue as a human rights issue and not a territorial one. So, in my understanding, Omonoia to your point of view is closer to gd (it is irredentist per our debatw on active orredentist movements), while regarding PDIU and Chams in general, I see a prejudication towards an entire population unfortunately, which makes them actualy the opposite of gd. We should refrain using such terms to normal political parties and organizations on wiki.Balkanian`s word (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

The way you support the G.D. counterpart in Albania that openly declares that "all Albanians have to work for their national ideal which is the unification of Albanians from Preveza to..." [[1]], leaves me no choices but to kindly ask you to read wp:what wikipedia is not. On the other hand, when a minority organization asks for local autonomy and human rights thats not irredentism, i.e. change of national borders.Alexikoua (talk) 10:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


Under this definition, whoever speaks of irredentist territories is G.D. affiliate. Good luck with definitions that include Omonoia and some of your edits on WP. On the other hand you just saw, some young persons citing primary sources, such as Encyclopedia Brittanica, by saying that historically, Ioannina was the capital of Southern Albania. As for current politics, JUIP has a program, which seeks removal of borders form all countries that have Albanians. It is really disgusting to call counterpart of GD whatever you dislike. I, would never go that low, to characterize Omonia for example GD. Oops, you did that.Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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Turks Western Thrace[edit]

Please stop adding unsourced personal opinions to the article. If you have any proof of there being a "real fear of secession" in western thrace then please provide it. Otherwise you are simply injecting propaganda to the article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CptJackie001 (talkcontribs) 02:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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User:Akocsg[2] appears to have a distinct animosity against Persians and Greeks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Dear Alexikoua

You can take the burden and go to Labovë to ask people there if they are Albanians or Greek ! I personally know people with Labova ancestry and most of them are Albanians , some are Vllah's , none is Greek !! But what do you know ? You mention as "Greeks" the "Arvanites" which in your own language means "Albanian"

I don't think we will agree on any issue regarding the Albanians in your " Greek " history , so Adieu ...

Engjell.mehmeti (talk) 13:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Nikos Kapetanidis[edit]

Is it possible for you to provide the exact quote, according to which "Nikos Kapetanidis was hanged by Turkish nationalists under Mustafa Kemal"? Thank you. Parishan (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I forgot to add the precise page on the reference, but now it appears ok. Added an additional that links directly Mustafa Kemal with the Amaseia Tribunal.Alexikoua (talk) 22:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

What.s the problem with Sami Frashëri?[edit]

He had no bias against the Greeks at the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.27.227 (talk) 18:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

You need to follow wp:rs. S.F. was a representative of the Albanian national movement (suppose you know that), this means his neutrality is disputed. The same stuff occurs on their Greek counterparts. I suggest you use secondary & academic level material instead of outdated national decelerations.Alexikoua (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Although it was written by Naim Frashëri, it was quoted and expanded on by Robert Elsie, a Canadian with no ties to Albania other than the studies he's done on the people, so he isn't biased. Perhaps if I also mention him, it's okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.27.227 (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Elsie doesn't agree with Frasheri's view (either Sami or Naim), that's why he specifies that this view is only shared by F.. On the other hand, neutral views are generally preferred.Alexikoua (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Elsie didn't specify that, he did specify that he is quoting Sami Frashëri however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.27.227 (talk) 19:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It's even worst: Elsie presents Frasheri's work, without adopting any view about it. I can only assume that you didn't read this work. Also note that blind-reverting can lead to blocks.Alexikoua (talk) 19:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Elsie himself refers to the Janina Vilayet (all of it, not just the north) as an Albanian Land. I have read it. I did read it, I don't know what you're talking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.27.227 (talk) 19:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

You need to give the right citation. However, taking into account that so far, you falsified Elsie I would suggest you present the data first in the correspondent talkpage instead of revert-warring.Alexikoua (talk) 19:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thx[edit]

I removed too much by mistake when I removed the maps. Sorry, and thanks for correcting! --T*U (talk) 11:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Skanderbeg[edit]

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Thanks for your message. I think that this is probably the case for SPI. Using outdated unreliable sources to push nationalistic mythology is not constructive.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

my edits // population exchange greece/turkey[edit]

Hi, my edits on population exchange between greece and turkey are correct. I have read the book I sourced in the edit summary of the edit history. There is some NPOV and misinformation favoring Greece. I hope you agree the article must be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.226.95 (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't thing so, you need to explain in the talkpage the reason of such massive removals of sourced content.Alexikoua (talk) 20:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

OK I shall do so in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.226.95 (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you avoid reverting and start a discussion in the correspondent talkpage. I'm afraid that large scale deletion of sourced material needs strong arguments.Alexikoua (talk) 13:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
You are one step before being reported. By the way writing nonsense in talkpage isn't enough to justify disruption. Without reaching concensus your version will be reverted.Alexikoua (talk) 17:57, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Greek source[edit]

Have you seen this edit?[3] Since I do not read Greek, I thought you might be able to clarify a few points. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:24, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I'll take a look on the specific volumes.Alexikoua (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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Revert[edit]

Hi, I'm wondering why you reverted me here. I'm not sure what you mean with the edit summary. 31.153.94.183 (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Help with Greek sources[edit]

Hi, I am need of some help with Greek texts introduced by a POV warrior to a number of Bulgaria-related articles. I would really appreciate some help in dealing with the matter. Take the article about Todor Panitsa, for example. The editor introduced a number of Greek sources, which I have no way of verifying or even reading. Are they reliable sources? Do they support the claims made by the editor? I genuinely have no idea. If you have the time, could you look at them? I would appreciate any input on the matter. Thanks in advance. --Laveol T 07:08, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Anti-Greek sentiment[edit]

Hello there! I've just created this article and wanted to let you know about it. If you can help to improve it, please do. There's probably a lot of information missing. Does Albania, for example, have a history of anti-Greek sentiment? The section of Turkey can easily be expanded, too. --Երևանցի talk 04:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Very good job. Definitely an article that needs to be in wikipedia. For sure it can be easily expanded (there is also the antiquity etc.). As soon as I have time I'll work on it.Alexikoua (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Usourced flag[edit]

I agree with you. No sources - no image. This file should be deleted at commons.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

You are of course right. This artistic product of wikipedia editor should not be added to any article, including historical ones, regardless if it is deleted at commons or not.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Map of Greek dialects[edit]

Hi Alexi. Please see this. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello, hope all is well. Info on Marko Boçari[edit]

Hello. My name is Erion. I'm an American trying to do a research paper for my college regarding The Souliots and Marko Boçari, in early Balkans-war agains the Ottoman Empire. I just have one question: were the Souliots and Marko Boçari, Greek or Albanian? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erioni313 (talkcontribs) 19:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Labs in Greece[edit]

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I created a draft about Labs (link) and noticed that this map (link) is based on this map (link). I don't know if this map created by anonymous author (link) is reliably sourced, but I am also concerned if it is properly interpreted, especially when it comes to territory predominantly populated by Lab speakers in Greece. What do you think?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

SOS =[edit]

! am new to this, and I see your one of the heads of the WW1 project. I myself have fanaticized over WW1, and would like to help with the development of this project. I ask if you could contact me a mvmeli0216@gmail.com to set me up. I would like to know exactly what to do, since their is no help manual that explains this comprehensively. I would appreciate it if you could help me set up my user page so I can get used to working with forum/html coding hybrid style going on here.

Thank you, and god-speed to you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Skywalker01 (talkcontribs) 00:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Emblem of Dardanian Kingdom[edit]

Hey what's wrong with you? you say that it is unsourced?! are you blind or something? lookup here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Pavao_Ritter_Vitezovic_-_Stemmatographia.pdf&page=28 this is the source from the book Stemmatographia by Pavao Ritter Vitezovic. AceDouble (talk) 17:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

This is irrelevant with the ancient Dardani, unless there is any evidence that these symbols were used in antiquity for the specific purpose.Alexikoua (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Ditto.--Zoupan 19:30, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Moskopole?[edit]

When yoy will start to writh normal articals witout nationalistik propaganda (of any kind as rest of the Balkan people)? How can you prouve the Macedonia is ancesteral homland of the 18 centuries vlahs from Korca basain? When you will start to maked the diference between greeks and ortodoxal christians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.43.239.219 (talk) 16:32, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Photios of Korytsa[edit]

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August 1914 map[edit]

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DYK for Photios of Korytsa[edit]

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DYK nomination of Poliçan, Gjirokastër[edit]

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Illyrian Warfare[edit]

In article Illyrian_warfare#Tactics_and_troop_organization there is mistake. Wilkes states that Illyrians had "highly mobile light infantry" and he does not say that they had any similarity too Macedonian Phalanx or widespread hoplite-style warfare. Diodorus Siculus just mentions a square. Wilkes mentions the word phalanx only 1 time in his book, referring to ancient greeks only. Source 70 is http://www.scribd.com/doc/15826619/John-Wilkes-The-Illyrians#scribd, page 126-128 and those pages on page 126 just above the last paragraph it is written that they fought as hoplite infantry at 385 or 384. Not what is written in that article and there is even a sketch added of hoplite infantry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.174.3 (talk) 18:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Good notice. I believe this entire part should be removed.Alexikoua (talk) 23:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Enver Hoxha @ Korçë[edit]

I see you made this edit[4]. I would never make any suggestions hinting that Hoxha was anything other than authoritarian but I don't feel this belongs on an article about a town. I would go as far as to say that the raw term is non-encyclopaedic, particularly when the subject contains a link and people are free to click and investigate who and what he was. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You may be right, but it be may also helpfull for the reader to know that he was an "authoritarian" leader. I agree that "dictator" may be to catchy and needs to be further investigated in the article itself, if the reader decides to click on it.Alexikoua (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion of edits and sources without giving proper (and importantly detailed) reasons[edit]

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Recently i rewrote part of the article in relation to the Cham Albanians, by adding sources that have not been accessible to many. They are by Western scholars who have done fieldwork in Thesprotia, accessed the Greek government archive, non impartial nineteenth century observers of the situation. In the article i included sources that one were not Albanian (as Albanian sources are accused of being biased and in factual by Greek editors). I included in the article academics that where importantly of Greek heritage. I also included in the footnotes the relevant pieces of information of where that information came from to prevent a deletion and have a serious discussion. Yet when i came here, all i saw was complete deletion !!! I ask, is this how wikipedia works, that when a credible source/s is given, it gets deleted without even proper discussion ? I ask is this the type quality we are after ? I am currently in postgraduate studies, and stifling of discussion is unacceptable. Its about scholarly debate. I still don't understand how i was pushing POV. For example, in the section about Chams today in Greece, i came across sources that have encountered Orthodox Albanian speaking populations. There also still exists a Albanian Muslim Cham community. Yet that got deleted. Voltaire once said "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". I thus ask Alexikoua to justify each one of your deletions ? Otherwise you are pushing POV ! Please explain how EACH edit is as you claim "rv severe pov pushing & source manipulation"...............

Resnjari (talk) 05:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you need to read carefully what each source states. For example claiming that Albanians were dominant in a region while the citation doesn't even mention something close to this (and especially at early 11th century when historical records to Albanians are generally non-existent), it's no wonder you have been reverted.Alexikoua (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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Check some proposed additions i have placed on three article talk pages.[edit]

Hi Alexikoua

Since we last worked together on the Cham page, i have more material that would be useful in being within other articles. You said once that you would assist me in making better some articles. I appreciate the offer. As on some pages, ridiculous edit wars have occurred without proper solutions being offered and i have placed a series of proposed additions for three articles in the talk pages as opposed of doing a copy and paste thing like last time. I don't want no POV accusations. I do all edits in good faith and with peer reviewed material. Please thoroughly check the following Talk:Souliotes, Talk:Arvanites and Talk:Northern Epirus for grammer, issue, writing style, proposed expansions/additions etc or if its a go to put in the article. To avoid the messiness of the process which we both did in the Cham page, which i must admit got a little disorientating in finding things, i have place the inline citation as footnote like on the main page (do read those too). Anyway, happy reading and all the best.

Resnjari (talk) 13:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


Souliotes[edit]

Why did you delete my edits on the "Souliotes" page? My references make it clear that Souliotes are defined as " a branch of Albanian Chams"... for example "Dorians are defined as " one of the four major Greek ethnē " (Wikipedia) not just as a "community". It doesn't make any sense to use "a warlike community" referring to souliotes as there may be more than a million warlike communites around the world.So stop deleting my edits on that page! Rolandi+ (talk) 06:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

The inline reference you used doesn't claim that, in fact it identifies all these communities as part of the Greek national movement, while "Chams" is very rarely used for Orthodox communities. The link about Souliote ancestry is already described in lede, thus there is no reason to repeat. Please follow wp:LEAD for further instructions.Alexikoua (talk) 07:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


"while "Chams" is very rarely used for Orthodox communities. "--where did your learn that ?or maybe you are the Master of Universe?chams aren't a religious group ,but ethnic albanians that speak albanian so your idea isn't correct. My source says that souliotes were a branch of chams .souliotes were part of Greek national movement as some other chams were,but this doesn't mean that they weren't chams. We can use examples : "Dorians are defined as " one of the four major Greek ethnē " (Wikipedia) not just as a "community". My references are correct and reliable so you can't delete my edits just for your fun.If you don't like my sources then go here :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Rolandi+ (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)



The name Cham, together with that of the region, Chameria, is from an extinct local Slavic *čamŭ, itself from the local Greek hydronym Thyamis (Θύαμις in Greek, Kalamas in Albanian).[1] A folk etymology attributes the name to Turkish cami (Greek tzami), literally, 'mosque-goer, mosque attendee' which presumably was used by Orthodox Christians for the descendents of Muslim converts. However, this is unlikely since the word's broader ethnographic and dialectal sense encompasses the entire Albanian-speaking population of the Thesprotia and Preveza regional units of Greek Epirus, both the Muslim and Christian populations.ref name = Xhufi -----Source en.Wikipedia.org (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cham_Albanians )

My second reference : [2]

I have more references than your and I have Finley's reference who wasn't greek or albanian.

Also If you read your references carefully ,it means that greek local populations call muslim chams as "turks" and christian chams as "arbanits" .But muslim chams are albanian and not turk so your references are based on greek nationalism ,not in facts.Greek locals might characterize albanians as " mongols ,chinese or german " but this doesn't mean that albanians are "a warlike community " or a " mongol,chinese or german community" (I'm taking them just as examples).Anyways I have more references and I have even a reference like Finlay who is NEUTRAL and was a TEMPORARY. ,Laurie Kain Hart (the ethnologist ,American Ethnologist (Published by),American Anthropological Association (Published on behalf of ). Rolandi+ (talk) 19:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


Dispute_resolution_noticeboard[edit]

Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Souliotes.23Manipulation_of_inline_reference_discussion Rolandi+ (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ Vladimir Orel, Albanian Etymological Dictionary, s.v. "çam" (Leiden: Brill, 1998), 49-50.
  2. ^ ref name = ethnologist>Laurie Kain Hart. Culture, Civilization, and Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece. American Ethnologist, Vol. 26, No. 1 (Feb., 1999), pp. 196-220. Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of the American Anthropological Association "Finlay's late 19th century impression gives some impressions of the social complexity of social categories in this area. To begin with, the Souliotes (celebrated by Byron and in Greek national history for their role in the liberation of Greece) were a "branch of the Tchamides, one of the three great divisions of the Tosks" (Finlay 1939:42)-in other words they initially spoke Albanian... the question of a national identity can hardly be applied here"