User talk:Wanderer602

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Leningrad siege

Hello! Sorry for my add in the article a moment ago. The maps at Commons had me bewildered, and some of them aren't very clear on the subject of when the shoreline of Ladoga was reached.--Paracel63 (talk) 12:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, and no problems. Maps of WWII operations are indeed sometimes confusing - its not uncommon to see even major cities or locations displaced. However it is usually noted that had Germans reached shored of Lake Ladoga on September 8th however there are some which place the final encirclement as being completed a week or so later. Germans initially held only a minor strip of the coast of Lake Ladoga (namely Shlisselburg) so in that respect the map which is seen in the commons is not that far off. - Wanderer602 (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Continuation War (and the noticeboard)

Please! --Whiskey (talk) 08:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes? - Wanderer602 (talk) 08:30, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Let's move discussion from noticeboard to talk-page. Thanks!

Well, you didn't get my intention properly. I wanted you to think two possible ways how Finnish documents doesn't provide correct image, if we take their writers did wrote the truth as they saw it. (BTW, I already have two in my mind, I'll provide them to the discussion after you and YMB have provided yours.) --Whiskey (talk) 08:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

3-RR Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Continuation War. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.--Germash19 (talk) 12:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Had you actually read what i wrote there you would have noticed that it wasn't just a revert. Also please provide a single quote from the Jokipii's book (translated) that actually explains how the taking back the land was a goal in WWII instead of only in Continuation War. FYI WWII for Finland included one little thing also known as the 'Winter War'. - Wanderer602 (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Article about Continuation War, not about Winter war.--Germash19 (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Article is indeed, however the statement you altered referred to World War II as a whole (from Finnish POV it consisted of all three: Winter War, Continuation War, and Lapland War). Finnish goal for WWII as a whole could not have been 'retaking lost lands' since no lands had been lost prior to the World War II. Retaking the land was important goal for the Continuation War however. And Soviet actions during and after the Winter War were an importnat reason as to why Continuation War happened as it did. - Wanderer602 (talk) 16:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Only part of historians consider Winter war as part WWII. There is article Military history of Finland during World War II--Germash19 (talk) 17:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Western (and Finnish) historians include it to the WWII - as does World War II wikipage, it is generally the misconception that GPW is synonymous with WWII that confuses the people in this regard. Joint German and Soviet invasion of Poland is generally considered as the starting point of WWII and Winter War happened after that as second Soviet aggression of WWII. - Wanderer602 (talk) 17:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Nick-D (talk) 10:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Continuation War is one of the Eastern European articles subject to DIGWUREN sanctions

Hello Wanderer602. You and User:Germash19 are getting into some trouble on that article, and I notice you were both blocked recently for 24 hours. Admins are unlikely to permit a two-person dispute to continue raging for several weeks on that article. Since you evidently have some knowledge about this war and you are able to write Wikipedia prose, I urge you to be patient and work through the talk age. For instance, to settle the question whether any statistics from the Leningrad siege belong in this article. One way to do this is to open a WP:Request for comment. I am also leaving you the formal notice of discretionary sanctions for articles in eastern Europe.

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to Eastern Europe. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Final decision section of the decision page. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page.

— Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)