Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 14

14 November 2007

Falling sand (video game)

This was speedy deleted under CSD A7, as lacking any indication of its significance. Since I can't view the page or talk page anymore, and there was no debate, I don't know what exactly the problem with the article was, but it seems to me that this sort of thing could be resolved by editing rather than speedy deletion. A Google search for "falling sand game" got 58,700 hits, and there's been at least a couple variations on the game created. That seems notable enough to warrant an article. PaulGS 06:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• The entire contents of the page were '''Falling Sand''' is a video game that lets users mess with a [[namekuji]] by providing certain elements from a list. Falling sand has it's own forum and also incorporates other versions such as pyrosand. The website can be found at [http://www.fallingsandgame.com here]. [[Image:Falling Sand.JPG|thumb|A screenshot of fallingsand. Please pardon the dithering.]] I don't find any assertion of notability in that content. The google search PaulGS describes returns primarily game mirrors and blogs. I don't consider it to be a particularly good indicator in this case. Alexa is perhaps a better indicator in this case. The website has wildly variable traffic, mostly not making it onto the Alexa chart at all and never breaking an Alexa ranking of 40,000 even at it's best. I suppose it could be posted to AFD for decision but I don't see much hope for this topic. Rossami (talk) 06:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Touchpaper Software plc

Touchpaper Software plc (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)

I asked for this to be deleted on AFD as I didn't think they were notable. Imagine my suprise when I noticed them on the Gartner Magic Quadrant! On the strength of this alone, I think we had better clean the article up and restore. Ta bu shi da yu 01:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Revisions prior to 10:47, 15 May 2007 are lightly-edited copyright infringements. Revisions following are so hopelessly promotional that I can't imagine what worth you see in them, but I have no objection to their undeletion so long as they're hidden behind a current version that makes at least the barest passing nod to NPOV. —Cryptic 03:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Don't undelete without a new NPOV version in place. The article is not protected so TSBDY can write it in-situ if she wants. Resurgent insurgent (as admin) 04:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Four Points by Sheraton (Dubai)

Four Points by Sheraton (Dubai) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)

Article was tagged for speedy deletion as being non-notable as not asserting notability under CSD A7, which is appropriate for people, bands, clubs, companies, organizations, and web content. However, this page was about a building. In addition, the page met notability requirements by clearly stating the building's significance, referencing information with an inline citation and a verifiable external link, providing an infobox and including an informative image for visual representation of the subject. I believe the article met all notability requirements per WP:NOTE. Rai-me 01:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

NOTICE: To assist in this discussion, I have restored the article to article mainspace.

Note to closing admin: If this discussion does not overturn the speedy delete decision, please re-delete the article. --Richard 05:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment: To be precise, A7 is not about notability per se (that would require an WP:AFD discussion). A7 is about the lack of assertion of notability. It's a fine line but the point is that the article didn't say anything which indicated that the building was notable. --Richard 05:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The article was not about the hotel, it was about the building. Stating that the building will be one of the tallest all-hotel buildings in the city is an assertion of notability. Rai-me 05:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse. Hotels are businesses, no ifs, ands, or buts. Being housed in the 28th tallest building in a city - and not an especially large one - is not a credible assertion of significance. The citation mentioned above contains only raw data; it might help make an infobox, but not an article. —Cryptic 03:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Again, the subject is not about the hotel, it is about the building. The fact that an opening date of the hotel that will be housed inside of the building is mentioned does not make the article solely about the hotel. If an office firm is headquartered in a building, and there is an article about that building, does that make the building article solely about the business it houses? No. And the reference provided offered data that was was being used in the article, not just the infobox - height, year of completion, number of floors, etc. While it is true that these were used in the infobox, it is also true that they are major components of almost all building-related articles. So, I fail to see how it does not add to the article. Rai-me 05:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse - per User:Cryptic. I was the admin who speedied the article and my reasoning was prettymuch as Cryptic laid it out above. If it was one of the two or three tallest in the city, it might arguably have been considered notable but as 28th notable that would suggest that we should have articles on the 27 taller buildings (not!). That it is located on a notable street does not inherently make it notable (or else every building on Rodeo Drive or Fifth Avenue would be notable). Emporis is a directory of buildings. Wikipedia is not a directory. --Richard 04:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Why can the 28th tallest not be notable? Actually, artciles on the all but one of the 27 taller buildings already exist; it is common for individual city tallest building lists to have articles going down to the 42nd-tallest in a city, as all buildings must have articles in order for a building list to be featured. And, the assertion of notability did not lie in the fact that it is located on a notable street; that was included to provide relevant information about the tower's location. The assertion of notabilility was that the building was one of the tallest all-hotel buildings in the city. Rai-me 05:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
    • If Emporis is a directory, does this mean that all "lists of tallest buildings" articles are unencyclopedic, since those lists are the same thing as Emporis? This cannot be, as this would mean that several FL-status tallest buildings lists are unencyclopedic in which they aren't. I fail to see how Emporis is a directory. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse speedy-deletion. By Rai's logic, why stop at 28? Why not go to the 100 tallest buildings in the city? Or the thousand? Being the 28th-tallest building in a city is not a credible claim to notability. I'm not even willing to concede that being the second tallest is sufficient to establish notability, though that's at least a closer call. If the building is famous for something else, its height might be a contributing factor but it's not sufficient alone. By the way, if we really have lists going down as far as Rai describes where the sole assertion of notability is height, that's a problem we need to clean up, not to propagate. Rossami (talk) 06:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

There are height cutoffs per Wikipedia:WikiProject Skyscrapers/Building lists, so there won't be articles of the 100th tallest or the 1,000 tallest buildings in a city. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Per the discussion at Fl-review and once again, all completed buildings in a city must have their own articles in order for the corresponding city building list to pass Featured list review. The List of tallest buildings in Dubai is undergoing improvements in order to become a featured list; the deletion of this article does not help. Cheers. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

This article appears to be part of a broader conflict between editors who are trying to improve tallest buildings lists to FL-status and WP:N. _{Hydrogen Iodide (HI!)} 07:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Overturn Mountains, highways, buildings are not subject to A7. ~ trialsanderrors 08:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)