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Please clear speedy deletion message on MXE Entertainment page[edit]

Hello @cryptic. I have been looking through the page MXE Entertainment and it clearly shows no advertisments and has reliable such as the real competitions results for the awards, Notices and News from the MXE Entertainment original websites and some magazines such as Channel Magazine and the Westlake Boys High School website and Westlake Girls website. This shows that this it uses secondary sources from other websites that is not from its own. The person who made this page was not releated to anyone in MXE Entertainment and I thinks this dosnt deserve to be apart of the Speedy deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:29, 9 June 2017‎ (UTC)

Speedy deletion clear for MXE Entertainment page[edit]

@cryptic I have read this wikipedia page and I disagree with remvoving this page because it has secondary sources such as a magazine and also other relevent websites. This page also has alot of reliable sources which explains and shows proof of the information and text of this article and wiki page. There are alot of fans of MXE Entertainment artists and I think they wont be happy with this deletion nomination. This page is fine to be a wiki page but it just needs more editiong. Please remove this deletion nomination from the wiki page MXE Entertainment as MXE Entertainment deserves recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pppx1 (talkcontribs) 01:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Please read this brief article about the First Law of Holes, to start with. You've dug yourself into quite a deep one.
First order of business - The Wikipedia community is intolerant of people who create lots of accounts and log out to edit as IPs in order to avoid blocks and to look like they're multiple people. Extremely intolerant, and you've gotten to the point where we've been blocking you on sight, and deleting things you've written on sight merely because it was you that wrote them, without even having to debate them on their merits, as I tried to do at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MXE Entertainment. It's possible to come back from sockpuppetry this severe, but only just barely: I've seen it happen maybe twice. There's a guide at WP:SOCKBLOCK, and you'd do well to read that entire page.
As for the article itself: to all appearances, this "company" exists only in the mind of its high-school-age founder, who doubled down by creating a site for it through a predatory website-builder website and falsely claimed his moderately-successful high school choir was "signed" to the company (which I expect would both surprise and dismay the other students, their director, and their school). I've been proven wrong about such things before, it's true; but proof comes in the form of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and you've yet to provide that - and no, articles that have only passing coverage of the choir and don't even mention either you or this company aren't significant coverage. On the other hand, you've gotten articles about yourself protected from creation at at least three titles so far; there's an amusing, though a bit overly jargon-laden, essay at User:JzG/And the band played on... about what continuing down this path will lead to even if you do someday become notable. —Cryptic 07:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
A masterful explanation to someone that wastes everyone's time. Legacypac (talk) 07:15, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Wynyard Group[edit]

Please help me to recreate Wynyard Group page as its a notable company and its wikipedia page must exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James aaron (talkcontribs) 11:55, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@James aaron: Four thoughts, in no particular order.
  • If you're employed by the company or otherwise being compensated to create the article, you must formally declare that, per our Terms of Use, specifically §4.7, Paid contributions without disclosure. After that, please read our guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest (simplified summary, full guideline).
  • Any article you create is going to have to be completely in your own words, not copied from the company's web page. (Though I do apologize for my mispaste of a different url at the start of my deletion summary.)
    • Even if you happen to have written the text on that webpage, we can't re-use it here without going through all the requirements at WP:DCM, which, in particular, grant everyone in the world a free license to copy and modify it. Hardly any organizations of any size are willing to do this, especially once their legal departments get wind of the idea.
  • You'll have to show that the company meets our inclusion criteria (full version, simplified (but non-specific) summary). In particular, reprints of the company's press releases and links to searches for them are of no use.
  • I suggest submitting the article through the Articles for Creation system rather than attempting to create it directly in mainspace. —Cryptic 12:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I will follow the same. Will contact you if need your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James aaron (talkcontribs) 13:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Earl E. Smith[edit]

Hi Cryptic, I am trying to do a page for myself being the only computer literate punk rocker in the crew, I am just KINDA getting the hang of wikipedia. You took down a page I tried to create cuz I blanked it. I figure I'll try harder tomorrow with better references, I was being lazy and didn't really list too much. I will try to adhere to wikipedia's standards better next go around. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earl E. Smith (talkcontribs) 08:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Earl E. Smith: You should really read our guideline at WP:Autobiography, and at least skim our inclusion criteria at WP:Notability (music). I don't edit musicians' articles much, but it looks like you probably do meet our criteria; any article you write should make that clear. In any case, I strongly, strongly recommend you create the article through the WP:Articles for creation process rather than directly in mainspace. —Cryptic 09:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Cryptic! I will try it then when I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earl E. Smith (talkcontribs) 19:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Wynyard Group Page[edit]


Could you please tell what all changes need to be done in this page? Accordingly we will modify it so that can make it live soon.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by James aaron (talkcontribs) 12:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

(moved to User talk:James aaron, since I included a formal warning. —Cryptic 10:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC))

Lil Pump[edit]

Hello Cryptic, I am trying to create a wiki page for the song artist, Lil Pump. I do not know everything that there is to know, but I feel that I know enough to at least get the page going. I know his birth name, Gazzy Garcia, his birthday, August 17, 2000, and some of his background. And hopefully we could avoid any possible deletion again. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrapperOfTheCentury (talkcontribs) 14:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@TrapperOfTheCentury: Work on the draft at Draft:Lil Pump. You're going to have to provide evidence that he meets our inclusion criteria (full guideline, simplified summary). And take a look at this cautionary tale; this person is already four or five steps along that path, which is why you can no longer create an article for him directly in the main namespace. —Cryptic 14:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

B4 clarification[edit]

A clarification to WP:UP/RFC2016 § B4 has been proposed. You participated in that discussion; your input is welcome at Wikipedia:User pages/RfC for stale drafts policy restructuring/B4 clarification. Thanks, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 15:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Some irritating canvassing, without even the courtesy of a proper section header[edit]

FYI [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legacypac (talkcontribs) 19:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Lil Pump - Not the same request as above[edit]

Sorry for bypassing you initially . Wasn’t aware that I needed to ask you first but I obviously read the instructions wrong. I filed a request to have the page Lil Pump unprotected so I could move a draft I created. I know that someone else had created a different draft and also see they made the same request above. I believe the concern on that draft is notability. Subject does meet WP:NMUSIC as there are reliable sources and charted songs. I think the only concern there in my opinion would be the page turning into WP:FANCRUFT or promotional. I will keep the page on my watchlist so that I can help keep that from happening. I would actually prefer to unprotect and move the draft I created, not the draft referenced by the user in the section above, as it is cleaner and uses reliable sources while showing the charted songs that establish the notability. Can you review my request here and let me know? Thanks.--DoubleuWW (talk) 00:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Replied at RFPP. —Cryptic 20:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again, but this is getting frustrating for me so hopefully you can steer me in the right direction. I have created numerous pages for notable artists but this one I cannot because of others who have tried to spam Wikipedia. At your suggestion, I submitted to articles for creation and it still has not been reviewed. Since that time, I see the creation of a an Italian Wikipedia page for the artist ( and more significant coverage of the subject continues to come up every day. It's now my personal goal to get this live as I feel like I am being lumped into a group of bad editors when I am actually a good contributor to the site. If you can please unlock the page so I can move it the main space I would appreciate it. If others feel that it is not notable, they can go through the normal articles for deletion process, although I doubt that will be an issue as the artist is notable. Sorry to vent, I am just feeling frustrated with the whole process. --DoubleuWW (talk) 04:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm really not qualified to assess articles about musicians, unless they're as bad as the ones that originally got the title protected. The last thing I want to do is move it into mainspace just to have it get deleted again by someone who knows what they're doing in this subject area. Draft:Lil Pump (2) is objectively better than the submitted and resubmitted and reresubmitted version at Draft:Lil Pump, though. @Robert McClenon: I don't suppose you'd be willing to take a look at it again on that basis? —Cryptic 18:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Someone left a note on the draft saying "A Wiki is not a reliable source and most of the other sources are also not reliable." I am not going to bother to leave them a message as it appears they don't edit Wikipedia that often - I also don't see how they would be more qualified to assess notability than I would be seems how I edit Wikipedia in the music genre. At this point, I am not sure how you are unqualified to assess the article - If you compare WP:NMUSIC to the article, you will see he has charted and has significant coverage in reliable sources, including The New York Times. In fact, I am qualified to assess the article but I feel like I am being made to jump through hoops that I shouldn't have to. I have done nothing but make good contributions on Wikipedia, but please let me know if I am not welcome and I will gladly walk away. Sorry to vent, but I feel at this point that I am not part of the community and being treated like a second class editor.--DoubleuWW (talk) 02:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for Nestaway[edit]

This is a request to review Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nestaway since the organization should now meet the notability criteria for WP:ORG and WP:ORGDEPTH with recent in-depth news links in independent articles. There are bylined news articles written by staff writers and not only press releases. The references that do meet the guidelines as per my understanding are mentioned below:

Kindly review all the references thoroughly because most of them are not mere announcements or press releases, they are about the brand. RajkGuj (talk) 16:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Some of these were in the article; some were discussed in its afd. Having a byline by a staff writer (and no, I didn't need the patronizing links to our articles on those concepts) is not evidence of reliability or effective editorial oversight - the first three articles you list substantially reproduce the same press release. The remainder are either passing mentions or routine coverage of the startup as a startup, which don't meet WP:CORPDEPTH. So I think the G4 deletion of your article at NestAway was valid. WP:Deletion review is, as you seem aware, your avenue of appeal. —Cryptic 14:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to Admin confidence survey[edit]


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Legacypac deleting, altering, and striking out other editors' comments[edit]

A couple of days ago I informed Legacypac that he edited a comment of mine after the discussion was formally closed. He didn't know what I was talking about, and before I got the chance to show him the diff, he deleted another editor's comment off of my talk page. I think he needs that block you offered so he'll desist from repeating this in the future. Bright☀ 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Had no idea what he was talking about, and he did not provide a diff though he accused me on my talk page and posted nastiness on the talkpage of an editor with a 3 year grudge. User:BeyondMyKen does not deserve to have his name in an ANi header with a false allegation and I don't deserve to be trolled like this. Hope this boomerangs on BrightR. Legacypac (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
With respect, no one is "trolling" you. You have been repeatedly, politely asked - over a period of years (see catalog, here: [2]) - to stop editing and deleting other editors talk page comments. You've been warned by admins on three separate occasions, on top of it. Far from stopping, you've actually started deleting editors comments in which they complain about you deleting their comments [3]. Once again, we kindly ask you please do not edit our talk page comments. If you find material posted to a Talk page objectionable or a possible violation of policy, the best course of action is to bring it up at ANI, or notify an Oversighter who can strike it if warranted. This procedure has been previously explained to you on multiple occasions, I believe? Thank you. DocumentError (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I have not interacted with DocumentError for about 3 years until they tried to turn Rubin's ArbComm case into an opportunity to attack me. [4] for context. Legacypac (talk) 21:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Again, no one is trying to "troll" or "attack" you. We just want you to stop editing and deleting our Talk page comments. It's very disruptive. If you feel attacked, you should bring it to the attention of ANI, so the offending parties can be dealt with - not just start editing others comments. I feel like this has been explained to you many, many times? Thank you. DocumentError (talk) 23:36, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
@Legacypac: whatever you deserve, don't edit other people's comments. Bright☀ 13:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to have time free to look into this properly in a timely fashion. (Plus, I have a content dispute with him showing up in my last 50 edits.) Take it to WP:AN if you still think it needs administrator action. —Cryptic 20:37, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

===> Hi Cryptic. You Deleted a page that I wrote (A+ World Academy). Could you please give me some feedback on what changes that should be made exactly so that it can be reopened. It can easily be stripped down to just a factual page describing the special school.

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Cryptic, please review my comment at Org100h[edit]

How can I provide required disclosure? 23:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

I've added the disclosure. Please review my page and publish it. 18:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Org100h (talkcontribs)

Truce Sport[edit]

Dear Cryptic, I created the Truce Sport article, and you deleted it. I would really appreciate it if you provide me with the reason why you deleted it. I would like to express my sincere opinion, that Truce Sport works as an organization to bring awareness on th eglobal sport system. It is not a company that makes profit. If the policies of Wikipedia requires to mention that Truce is a non-profit, I will, as its not receiving or providing any type of compensation. It is not an advertising. Hope to hear from you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stavros Triandafylides (talkcontribs) 15:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

If you know that I deleted it, you know the reason I deleted it, to wit, "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". There is literally no way to coax Wikipedia into showing you one of these pieces of information without the other.
Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia written by volunteers. It is not a free web host for advertising copy about organizations you founded. You would be aware of this had you spent even a minimal amount of time familiarizing yourself with it before, or even following either of the two links in my deletion summary after, attempting to abuse it as such. If you are willing to write about topics to which you are not directly connected, you are welcome to do so. Otherwise, your time here is likely to be short and unpleasant.
Your route of appeal is Wikipedia:Deletion review. Before taking it there, you should first read the entirety of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —Cryptic 15:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

C𝒪uba Sandbox[edit]

Hello, I'm C𝒪uba. On my talk page, you left a message saying that I can edit my sandbox. The problem is: My sandbox was blacklisted and has been restricted to administrators.C𝒪uba (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@C𝒪uba: You're able to edit WP:SANDBOX. Beyond that, I'm unsympathetic. Part of the reason for a user name is to facilitate communication with other users. Having an untypeable glyph in your username works directly counter to that. Please pick a username that consists only of ASCII characters, or at least glyphs used in actual human languages. —Cryptic 19:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Vitruvian Barnstar Hires.png The Technical Barnstar
This long-overdue barnstar is to say thanks for your ongoing help for people with questions at WP:VPT. Thank you for making Wikipedia a wonderful place. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[edit]

I'm sorry about messing up. Thanks. Vikom (talk) 09:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Mayestron (musician)[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to create an article on wikipedia, but it says that, it has already published before and if I want to recreate again, instead of creating, straight I would like to contact you first of all. I just want to know why it was deleted?. This is what is says whenever I try to recreate it - If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suzanese (talkcontribs) 20:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Suzanese: The previous contents, not even a full sentence long, stated only that he was an "upcoming artist". The inclusion criteria for musicians are at WP:NMUSIC; the article not only didn't show that this person met them, it didn't say anything to imply that he might. —Cryptic 02:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Also, I see now that the more natural title at Mayestron was protected from creation due to abuse, hence the unnecessary disambiguator (musician); and that it was repeatedly created by a banned user. I therefore advise you not to create the article directly, an instead to submit a draft article through the WP:AFC process. Cryptic 02:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

United Conservative Party (Canada)[edit]

[5] title created just yesterday is an ill advised page move that was promptly reversed. It's a misleading redirect. Legacypac (talk) 07:57, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Hm. I'll admit I misread the page history - I'd thought this was the original title of the article - but how is it misleading? Is there a national party of the same name? —Cryptic 08:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
The Conservative Party of Canada is not officially affiliated with UCP in Alberta but it came out of a from a "Unite the Right" movement. The New Democratic Party is a single party federally and in the provinces - but is styled as Alberta (or whereever) NDP. The Liberal Party of Canada]] has separately incoprorated provincial wings, but in BC the Liberal Party of BC is NOT related to the federal party (it's more a Conservative party that includes federal Liberals ). Given how parties work in Canada tagging (Canada) on the end of a provincial party is very weird and misleading. Legacypac (talk) 08:20, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
You've established that it's a misnomer, but not an implausible one. This is where'd I'd move the article if it genuinely needed a disambiguator, and also, I suspect, where just about anyone else unfamiliar with Canadian politics would. This isn't the kind of clear-cut case that R3 was created for, and the dab page in the history here doesn't help matters either. RFD is the right call; spending a week there with a prominent "this redirect is likely to be deleted" tag stuck to it isn't going to cause substantial harm. —Cryptic 08:33, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Bishwo Gautam[edit]

please undelete this. I will edit and make it comply with wikipedia rules., I researched and wrote this article taking 9 hours today and found out that there was another one which was delete few days ago.please let meme edit it please. I have put too much effort in it — Ktmstreetrider (talk) 18:54, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to restore this article. It would have been deletable on sight solely for its promotional language, even without the afd on the same subject. Your route of appeal is WP:Deletion review.
Other than that, you might be able to convince someone at WP:REFUND to email you the text of the article, if you pledge not to put it into mainspace yourself (and you enable email at Special:Preferences). —Cryptic 19:21, 7 February 2018 (UTC)


Sorry Cryptic, I just populated that redirect's talk page as you were deleting it  :) so this is now a G8 too. Sorry about that! >SerialNumber54129...speculates 20:41, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, >SerialNumber54129...speculates 09:14, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Stub Grid[edit]

Hi there. I was trying to create a grid of stub types as an easy personal reference while stubbing. I'm going to recreate the page now with a more descriptive name to avoid future confusion. Thanks. I see I didn't put it in user space, I'll make sure of that as well. Alacrity25 (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Richard Watts (author)[edit]

Hi, could you please tell me what changes need to be included? I thought explaining why the author was important and the impact his novels have would be sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A2061 (talkcontribs) 23:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

You did neither of those things, instead just including external links to the books' websites. In any event, the inclusion criteria are listed at WP:BIO; your article neither satisfied them nor contained anything that so much as implied that further research would enable the article to satisfy them. —Cryptic 00:05, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Deepak Kalal draft[edit]

02:06, 1 February 2018 Cryptic (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:Deepak Kalal (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement:

As you have deleted/declined the above draft, I am here to request a manual review. Deepak Kalal is a comedian, millions of people watch him daily on social media. You can see about him in many top news channel's website like India Today, ABP News and many more. I am a youtuber and i have seen that many people search Deepak Kalal Wiki and there are no wikipedia biography till today about Deepak Kalal. This draft was about deepak kalal and the user who started it was not aware about how to write the wikipedia biography in a proper way. So please rearrange it and get details about Deepak kalal via the references i the draft.

Please create a biography article of Deepak Kalal — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:06, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

There is no amount of "rearranging" that can make a copyright infringement non-infringing. Besides which, it was a promotional fluff piece, not an encyclopedia article. And I certainly am not going to write the article for you. The other references in the draft were [6] and [7], if you want to try, but none of these were the sort of substantial, reliable, independent sources that we require in our inclusion criteria. —Cryptic 15:59, 14 February 2018 (UTC)