Talk:Sith

Rewrite tag

I've added the rewrite tag and taken away two of the unreferenced tags for a number of reasons.

1. The article obviously uses references, but most of them are not readily apparent. They need to be teased out and cited properly.
2. Too much of the article is written from an in-universe perspective, treating these as real people (well, Sith). I know it's difficult to write out-of-universe perspective, but there are areas where it should be easier than others; the development that Lucas put into them, the cultural influence the Sith have had, etc.
3. Excessive use of quoted material. The Philosophy section is a good example of this. While it may make a nice impact to start with a recitation of the tenets, it's not very encyclopedic.
4. Too many lists. This is most obvious in the timeline and the Ancient Sith sections. Any dates of importance should really be in the text of the article, and I'd suggest spinning off the members of the Sith into a "List of..." article (properly sourced, of course).
5. Tone. There's quite a bit of personal commentary worked into the wording that needs to be expunged.

That should take care of most of it - have fun. :) 24.6.65.83 05:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It's hopeless. The hordes of fanboys who edit these articles have no knowledge of or concern for Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Jibal 22:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll go one better than that

This article needs citation, and badly. I would hate to have to begin removing unreferenced statements, as I think it would leave the article an essentially empty page. Therefore, we should wait about a week, to see if some citation work (remember, reliable, verifiable, non-OR references, please) begins making its way into the article. If the article doesn't get more citable, we will have to start removing uncited statements. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Last chance

In the previous section, I noted that I agreed that the article needed re-writing badly. I also said that if statemetns weren't cited, they would be removed. Since that date, a half-dozen edits were performed, none of them addign a single citation. Since no one has commented about the call for citations, i must presume that a desire for citation appears to be secondary to explaining the psychologu of a fictional order.
At midnight CST, uncited information will be removed. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

As promised, the enormous amount of uncited material from the article was removed to here. It cannot return to the article without significant clean up to remove in-universe references and solid, reliably sourced, noteworthy citation. We can discuss bits that may have been inadvertantly removed in the clean-up, but nothing is going back into the article without citation. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverted

You can't delete the entire article - even if it contains uncited material. Add a rewrite tag and a citations needed tag and eventually an 'expert' might sort it out. Don't delete half the article and just leave a few disjointed paragraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.90.10 (talk) 16:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I would entreat you to please cite the material removed and re-add it with reliable, noteworthy and verifiable citation. It isn't going back into the article without it. It would be unencyclopedic to do so. Remember, this isn't Wookiepedia. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 03:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Expanded Universe

Since Star Wars is composed of multiple media (films, novels, video games, newspaper comics, comic books), it might be helpful to distinguish the contributions of each of these media to the understanding, development and evolution of the Sith. I am aware that canonicity is going to color these views, and we should probably note that outside of the films, nothing is canon (which certainly affects its notability). Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcayne (talk • contribs) 10:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, everything outside the films is canon, unless it contradicts a point made in the films. Jasca Ducato 09:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This Article Is Not About The Sith.

If you are going to write about the "Star Wars universe", and not just the filmed trilogies, show some background. This article should be completely rewritten.

The Sith are not counterparts of the Jedi nor are they Dark Jedi, but are of a far older order, and I don't think they can be described as a cult being that there are always only two: the Master and the Student. They are the Sith; not Jedi.

For a long time they were assumed to have been abolished, but the story I read revealed the Sith Temple.

"Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction" "Star Wars: Darth Bane: Rule of Two" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xetheare (talk • contribs) 16:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• You really need to do some research before you make stupid comments like the one you just did. Jasca Ducato (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)