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{{SPIarchive notice|Michael.haephrati}} |
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=====<big>22 August 2013</big>===== |
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{{SPI case status|curequest}} |
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;Suspected sockpuppets |
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* {{checkuser|1=Yuvalg9}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Johnstone2000}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Harmonysoft}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Agovrin}} |
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Historical puppets for the purpose of CU backchecks. |
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* {{checkuser|1=Haephrati}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Watling2003}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Kleopatra1932}} |
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* {{checkuser|1=Photopinka}} |
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* {{checkip|1=109.67.141.242}} |
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* {{checkip|1=109.186.15.70}} |
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*[http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/uc?uc=Michael.haephrati User compare report] <small>''Auto-generated every hour.''</small> |
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*[http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/editorinteract.html Editor interaction utility] |
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Either sock, or meatpuppet. Repeated insertion of spamlinks for products written by haephrati, but most tellingly is this diff [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon&diff=prev&oldid=569723992] which copies this offwiki post by haephrati [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=745685] where yvalg spontaniously acting on haephrati's behalf. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&diff=prev&oldid=569728767] |
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But see also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keystroke_logging&diff=prev&oldid=569570256] and |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obfuscation_(software)&diff=prev&oldid=569570138] which are trying to link to haephrati. [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 15:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC) |
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See also this previous SPI, with similar usernames (Haephrati) puppeting on the similar articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Photopinka |
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======<span style="font-size:150%">Comments by other users</span>====== |
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<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small> |
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Hello, I am Michael Haephrati. I came here to address the ridicules claim about sock-puppets and meat-puppets associated with my account. |
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This investigation has been initiated following an 'editing war' about 3 small paragraphs or end-notes I have added to 3 articles, which lead not to a "personal blog" but to professional articles at [[Code_Project]]. It seems that then, [[User_talk:MrOllieasked|MrOllieasked]] picked [[Rashumon]], an article that exists here for 3 years, and has not been edited for the last 3 months and nevertheless [[User_talk:MrOllieasked|MrOllieasked]] decided it's time to [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon|nominated it for deletion]]. |
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To begin with, I am afraid to say that it seems that several Administrators here are too easy on the trigger when it comes to accusing others of being puppets of any kind. In [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon|my case]], I was shocked to see that without any exception, anyone who voted in favor of keeping the article, is automatically assumed or accused to be a puppet. To put everything on the table of this investigation, there are more accounts referred to as puppets, and I would like to list them here as well: |
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1. '''[[User_talk:Agovrin|Agovrin]]''' |
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2. '''[[User_talk:Cesarp123|Cesarp123]]''' - See the [[Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon|talk page]] where his legitimate vote to keep the article has been refused claiming he is a puppet! |
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3. '''[[User talk:Marko75|Marko75]]''' - who voted to keep the article and in return, [[User_talk:MrOllieasked|MrOllieasked]] asked him very rudely: "Would you mind telling me how you came across this AFD after a seven month absence?". |
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Needless to say, I am not any of them, nor control any of them, controlled by any of them and/or associated with any of them in any way whatsoever. |
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Then there is '''[[User talk:Yuvalg9|Yuvalg9]]''' who is NOT me, and I am not responsible to anything he has done here, including quoting a forum message I indeed published outside of Wikipedia, in the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon|AFD page]]. Please refer to my message on my Talk page dated 15:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC): "I indeed canvased outside of Wikipedia not knowing that it is against the policies. I did not publish a similar request on the deletion page and the user who have done that, have done that on his own (probably copied from my forum message). I have nothing to do with him. In any case, I am sorry for that and apologies". |
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About '''Johnstone''', haven't seen any of his votes here. |
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Please close this investigation. Please remove the semi protection of the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon|AFD]], as it has only been semi-protected based on the assumption that one or more commenters / voters are puppets, which is entirely not true. To make the debate a fair play, please allow any Wikipedia editor, new or old, to express their opinion and to vote. Thank you! M. H. 09:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::I strongly protest against the accusation that me and Mr. Michael Haephrati are the same person. I was among the developers of "Photon Paint" and has edited the article about it a long time ago (please see the history). I have no affiliation with Mr. Haephrati whatsoever.[[User:Yuvalg9|Yuvalg9]] ([[User talk:Yuvalg9|talk]]) 12:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Yuvalg9|Yuvalg9]] ([[User talk:Yuvalg9|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yuvalg9|contribs]]) 12:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I highly doubt Yuvalg is MH. Yuvalg posted something on-wiki that MH clearly intended to hide from the Wikipedia community, as he [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FRashumon&diff=569724738&oldid=569724302 immediately reverted it]. The article's creator, though, seemed to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Harmonysoft&diff=prev&oldid=459154601 claiming] to be MH in his last edit after being blocked in 2011 (MH was the founder of Harmony Soft, and likely the only one to use the company name in his personal dealings). I actually [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_goddamn_iron_man&diff=553742043&oldid=553514379 don't mind] users who get blocked for username violations creating new accounts instead of changing their username, but in this case he has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon&diff=next&oldid=569578518 claimed not to be the same person] in the article's defense ("More than one person has edited this article, so it must be notable"). [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 13:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::I looked for the admission and only found this: "I would like to appeal the block for the reason that I use the name HarmonySoft over the last 20 years for personal needs and not for commercial reasons.". I personally never used this name for any user name, account or similar, and everyone who knows me knows that I always use Michael.Haephrati (i.e. I use my real life name). Please close this investigation (that has started following the assumption that me and yuvalg9 are the same person. It's time that we all move on.M. H. 19:08, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:::What about [[User:Haephrati]] who edited these articles. Are you claiming this account is not yours? Its signature was identical to yours. [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 19:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Eriksiers also speculated that Harmonysoft (the Wikipedia account) was MH (the person).[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AOrangemike&diff=463021288&oldid=462992790] MH, here's a question for you: if User:Harmonysoft is ''not'' Michael Haephrati, who do you think it could be? To the best of my knowledge, MH (the person, not the Wikipedia account) effectively ''is'' Harmony Soft (the company, not the Wikipedia account) and the Wikipedia account Harmonysoft openly claimed to be the company Harmony Soft. Is Harmony Soft under new management? What happened? MH, can you specify to us (publicly) which of the following are the same: Michael.haephrati (the Wikipedia account); Michael Haephrati (the person); Harmonysoft (the Wikipedia account) and Harmony Soft (the company)?? [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 12:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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Regarding the claim that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keystroke_logging&diff=prev&oldid=569570256] and |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obfuscation_(software)&diff=prev&oldid=569570138] are linked to me, that is not correct. They link to articles at [[The_Code_Project|Code Project web site]]], and the fact that I wrote the articles which are cited doesn't disqualify them or automatically mark any other [[The_Code_Project|Code Project web site]]] member as a 'puppet'. This is not a personal blog. I am [http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/Profiles.aspx?ml_ob=Reputation&mgtid=-1&mgm=False&pgnum=14 only one of many] writers and editors there. [[User:Michael.haephrati|Michael Haephrati]] ([[User talk:Michael.haephrati|talk]]) 20:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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:I note that you do not deny being Haephrati, Photopinka, or Harmonysoft. [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 20:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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::Please don't assume anything unless specifically told so. I use only one user name. Not any of the other users mentioned in this page. [[User:Michael.haephrati|Michael Haephrati]] ([[User talk:Michael.haephrati|talk]]) 21:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC) |
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I didn't notice until just now, but if MH isn't the same person as Yuvalg (and I ''don't'' think he is) then either (1) Yuvalg is MH's meatpuppet and they were communicating off-wiki either right before or right after Yuvalg got involved here (read: ''very'' likely), or (2) MH outed Yuvalg without the latter's permission.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FRashumon&diff=570029384&oldid=570018130] Now, in my interactions with a lot of users I've become 99% certain of these users' real-world identities. And I'm pretty sure they're cool with that, otherwise they wouldn't have picked the usernames they did and constantly inserted references to themselves in unrelated Wikipedia articles. But if I blurted their real names out on-site, and posted links to their personal profiles on external websites? They'd get ''angry as hell'' at me for that. Note that Yuvalg, despite having never publicly given permission to MH to out him on-wiki, has continued to take MH's side regardless of MH directly attempting to out him? This means there has almost certainly been off-site collusion between the two, in which Yuvalg made it clear to MH that it was okay to post his personal information. I think this is further evidence that they are not the same person, but have been colluding with each other in private. Note also how quickly MH went from calling Yuvalg a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon&diff=next&oldid=569724738 vandal] to being buddy-buddy? This not long before he went from asking me for help to calling me a sockmaster in the space of about an hour. I would also be willing to guess this collusion began between [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rashumon&diff=next&oldid=569724302 2013-08-22, 14:48] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FRashumon&diff=570029384&oldid=570018130 2013-08-24, 19:45]. Given my own, admittedly non-verifiable, experience of MH's e-mails I'd lean for the earliest likely date. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 12:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC) |
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