User talk:Slrubenstein

Your recent edits to Jesus are not NPOV. Kindly read NPOV and discuss things in talk before asserting your own POV. The Rev of Bru 17:11, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hello, mister, I suggest you to justufy any changes you do in this encyclopedia to be justified in the discuss/talk page. Did you found out what ad verecundiam is?Manco 17:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

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CheeseDreams

you might find this link of interest

I'm sorry for not having taken a look at postmodernity, postmodernism, and political economy yet. I've been a bit busy lately... You're both exceptionally qualified to contribute to these articles, so I'm sure that you'll reach an agreement, though. 172 21:13, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks mate

I appreciate you making sure that my user page wasn't killed entirely by CheeseDreams vandalism :) It's upsetting she would do this. Ta bu shi da yu 22:29, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm beginning to wonder myself. Then again, I'm not exactly what you'd call "stable" either at the moment. I'd have some sympathy if that was the case. You think I should remove CheeseDreams from VIP? - Ta bu shi da yu 00:30, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No, I think you should leave CheeseDreams there. CheeseDreams 00:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Kevin B. MacDonald

Please take a look at Talk:Kevin B. MacDonaldAndyL 14:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image on WP:IFD

Slr, could I get you to vote on WP:IFD to delete Image:Ok magazine 89 cover.jpg? It's a picture of a child on a paedophile magazine. It needs to go. Now. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Apocalypse

The word "apocalypse" was not borrowed from Hebrew or the Jews, it is a Greek word.

Hi again, Slrubenstein. I hope you are doing well. I am writing to you because I noticed your above comment, and while I am no expert, still, I'm not sure whether it is correct to simply call it Greek. Please note the following from jewishencyclopedia.com:

An "Apocalypse," in the terminology of early Jewish and Christian literature, is a revelation of hidden things given by God to some one of his chosen saints or (still oftener) the written account of such a revelation. The word is derived from the Greek ἀπōκάλυψις, "uncovering," "disclosure"; a noun which does not appear at all in classical Greek, and in the later profane writers is not employed in any way that corresponds to the use above mentioned; it seems to have originated among Greek-speaking Jews, and then passed from them to the Christians, who developed it still further.

Also, note that my comment should be viewed as taken completely out of the context in which the passage in question was written by you (one which involves content which I simply am not qualified to comment on). Best regards, El_C

Jesus

That may well be so but it doesn't excuse the completely untrue material which appeared on the main page, particularly the stuff from Josephus which everyone knows is a forgery. I am going overseas tomorrow but when I come back in February I will take an axe to Historicity of Jesus. Adam 00:39, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're welcome. I hope Jacquerie27 is sometime going to recognise the error of his ways. :-) JFW | T@lk 21:10, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User:Amgine

Wondering if you want to second the request I made at User talk:Amgine#Your subpages. Amgine has made a practice of keeping records of "misdoings", and I think it's outside the bounds of civility. You are the subject of one of these. -- Netoholic @ 04:33, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

Main namespace cleanup

In an effort to clean up the main namespace, I've moved your old main namespace userpage to User:Slrubenstein/old, as there's some edit history you might want to keep. Otherwise just delete it. --fvw* 12:27, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)

Madagascar Plan

Can you please take a look at Madagascar Plan? The author made some questionable comments about the Holocaust death toll on Talk:Holocaust so I'm somewhat suspicious of his motives. AndyL 03:23, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No original research

SL, would you mind e-mailing me with your e-mail address? I'd like to explain something but would prefer not to do it on the Talk pages. Best, SlimVirgin 01:23, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

idiographic

I don't know that you are correct in your spelling change at Wilhelm Windelband: idiographic is in current use. I'm pretty sure that your edit comment at ideographic is not correct, in that my dictionary suggests that this may be an adjective derived from ideogram. It would be helpful if you actually wrote something at ideographic, so that we could take this forward.

Charles Matthews 10:43, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Recent dust-up

Hi,

The current discussion is upsetting to me because it seems that many people are defending their own views of [race] and these views hold a position at the center of their pictures of themselves. I got into this discussion after being rather brutally chased off by JDG. At first I wasn't going to bother because I tend not to tangle with people who do not "fight" fair. When Peak got into the discussion I felt that I had to back him up because JDG was doing the same kind of "Get lost, squirt!" thing to Peak that he had done to me. Your name kept coming up in JDG's posting as a presumed co-conspiritor, along with somebody else who was included among what JDG called "the three principle contributors" to the article that had merited such high praise that it was never to be changed.

Later, you came into the discussion, and we tangled at great length. I may have given you less credit in my own mind as someone with an open view on things because you were so firmly bonded in my picture of this rather strange little world to JDG. My objection (then as now) was to the first sentence. Back then it was, "Race is a taxonomic principle used to group living things based on common heredity, physical attributes and behavior, where all members belong to the same species yet appear to warrant further classification." You defended it and JDG defended it, and I thought that I could never get you to see what is wrong with it or to change it. Looking back at that sentence now, after mulling this problem over and over again, I think it has the same defect that it originally did, but that purged of that defect it would be the best way to define things.

Much of the problem stems, I suspect, from the simple fact that the word "race" in the title of the article is singular. The reality is that whether or not there is one true (Platonically speakingn, of course) account of [race], there are about as many accounts of [race] as there are thinkers who try to deal with the question of whether to sort people out and, if so, how to sort them out.

As soon as we start talking about [races] it becomes clear (as I think you have said, at least implicityly, very many times) that there are many [races] and they all involve different people's ways of grouping people. So couldn't we say that [races] are groups of people that are aggregated by various people in various ways? I think Rikurzhen's idea of setting forth the various "schools" of [racial] classification is very helpful, and am rather dismayed that he seems to have a favorite scheme and seems ready to proclaim that that [race] actually exists. To go back to your (?) original formulation, couldn't we say:

Races are groupings of living things on the basis of several competing rules of categorization, for instance, hereditary connections, physical attributes, language and other such cultural acquisitions, where all members are acknowledged to belong to the same species yet appear to warrant finer division yet failing to meet the relatively more rigid requirements for subspecies status.

You and some of the other people who have worked on these articles have a finer hand at setting these things forth. But I think everyone could agree that this description fits the facts of what people are actually doing (and it also takes in the borderline cases of, e.g., Chinese views of "race" -- which basically boils down to 2 groups, us and them, which is why they are often categorized as ethnocentric without being called racist).

If we can nail this point, then we can ask who the adherents of "3 races," "4 races," "by marker characteristic," "by genetic propinquity", etc., etc. Also, who groups races by language and/or culture? (I think most of the people I associated with in Taiwan were willing to accept me as "one of them" to the extent that I could assimilate to their culture. My appearance didn't seem to be an issue. In Japan I could be in an "in group" with 10 Japanese, and another Japanese from across the street or from another dormitory could be in their "out group", and all of the "in" and "out" seems to have been built on "aftermarket" factors, i.e., nothing much to do with genetics or language or anything I could ever figure out.)

I hope that we can agree on the basics and work together. I don't like the prospect of another war. On the other hand I don't want to see the article depart from objectivity (even if it is in a way that its adherents regard as "true".) P0M 01:41, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Conflict theory

Who said that?

El_C 05:59, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You said: [a]s such, this deserves its own article, linked to sociology – as the title for my comment directly above indicates, it already does. Who said that?

El_C 02:05, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was being whimsical, sorry for any confusion. More on that at my talk page.

El_C 22:46, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Critical theory section on Marx article

Hello, I'm wondering if you might be convinced to change your mind on retaining the section on critical theory (by the user "192") in the Marx article. The section is poorly written, reads like a school report, and adds nothing to the article, instead briefly summarizing Marx badly. It's not wikified to boot. Do you think you might be convinced that it should indeed be chopped? --Improv 15:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Oops, I must've misread your edits. I thought you re-added it. --Improv 07:42, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

evolution/lineage/race

Yeah, I was thinking they should be merged because they are more or less continuous. The only thing that slows me down is the existence of the "validity" sub-article, which is a real mess. I could probably move things around within the main article, but I don't know how to manage the material between the 2 articles. --Rikurzhen 21:51, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

No, I mean the full article (validity of human races) that branched a while ago. Lots of details, but mostly a mess. --Rikurzhen 22:17, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with your suggestion. One problem: I think there is a better source than the 1995 source for the POV they were expressing in the other article. I'll move that over and put your quote in the talk page for safe keeping. --Rikurzhen 22:50, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

I've done a little bit. Go ahead and give it a shot if you'd like. --Rikurzhen 23:01, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the arguments against can be cut down and condensed. Don't worry about losing stuff, I copied it from the sub-article. --Rikurzhen 00:11, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note you left at User_talk:Peak. I would prefer to discuss by email - you can email me from the "E-mail this user" link. By the way, I am puzzled that the Race article still carries the statement that "This article is about race as an intraspecies classification." It seems to me that there should probably be a page that deals with the generic meaning of race in biology, and perhaps a Race (disambiguation) page as well. What do you think? Peak 06:57, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cultural relativism

Thanks for your comments. I looked over the article and I liked your work a lot. Well written, detailed, and organized. I will take a look, periodically, and I let you know if I think of anything...and please do what you can to improve moral relativism. I've done about all I'm going to do on that one; it was taken over a while back by someone trying to promote universism, a quasi religious outlook, and the technical philosophy was a disaster. By the way, I also like the stuff you did on the Jesus article. Best icut4u

Cultural Relativism

Certainly excellent, though I think there will be some issues. You are a bit POV in places (e.g. "...he was making a profound point..."), but it's clearly generally very solid.

My only other issue is that you provide a daunting collection of references but don't make it at all easy to see what statements are cited from what reference. That is to say, this probably calls for some more specific "embedded" citations. I recommend this mostly in terms of defending it from less knoledgable editors in the future.

Damned impressive, in any event. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:04, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

RfAr

CheeseDreams has raised a Request for Arbitration against you. [1]

Looks like this has already been resolved. Do feel free to keep me posted if it comes up again. Wesley 17:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

CD

In short, yes. See my talk page for more. --mav 01:31, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Blocked for five days. --fvw* 01:40, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

Give one warning then treat this person as if he/she were CD. See my talk page for the longer version. --mav 19:33, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cheesedreams is now editing under User:Cheese-Dreams. I thought all the sockpuppets were blocked? I've blocked this one now anyway. --fvw* 23:44, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

I looked at [2] but it doesn't look like that ip has edited much besides "Cultural and historical..." lately. Same for Tigermoon. So, I'm left not quite sure what edits you were referring to that you thought I should look at? Wesley 22:46, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jewish ethnocentrism

When Israeli social scientists discuss ethnocentrism in Israeli society, they often, as a matter of convention use the term Arab viz. Jewish ethnocentrism. This should not be a surprise to anyone, no other form of ethnocentrism is more pertinent to them than that which is encompassed in domestic conditions. El_C

Citing sources templates

SL, you might be interested in the voting at Templates for deletion. There are votes to delete the "cite sources" and "unreferenced" tags here [3] and [4] SlimVirgin 10:30, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Your email address

Could I snag this? Also, have you ever read The Two Babylons? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:13, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I wondered if you might have. That's a primary source for CheeseDreams with her Historicity of Jesus. Check out what I've written so far in the article on it. I thought you might be interested. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:59, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No, it isn't really a source at all. That's just your attempts to claim it is a source so you can say that it is disreputable and therefore (via ad hominem argument) claim the facts are disreputable. CH3353DR34M5 21:05, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cheesedreams

Could I get you to comment on this, or certify it? I'm getting sick of the harassment. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:54, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Amir1

I think you are an admin. If so could I ask you a favour and have a look at Talk:Bahá'u'lláh, subsection "poor command of language" and User:Amir1's increasingly hostile and abusive 'contributions'? I do think a period of enforced cool down would be of benefit for him. Thanks Refdoc 20:35, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Refdoc 22:30, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

WP:AN/3RR

Sorry I got your comment disordered. I was moving a comment TonyS had left in the place on the main page where that section used to be, and I slotted his thing in in time order, just in front of yours. Noel (talk) 18:08, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Goy

I am fully aware of the various meanings of the word goy, but the fact remains that if you are walking down the street in either Jerusalem or New York and you hear the word goy (or goyim), there is better than 90% chance it means "non-Jew(s)" and better than 50% chance it is being used perjoratively. You must know that. --Zero 23:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Tigermoon

Just FYI, it looks like Tigermoon has requested arbitration against you. I just reverted her on Cultural and Historical... again. Gets tiresome after a while. Wesley 18:16, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Small mind

You have such a small, petty mind. Slrubenstein 19:08, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

So wanting a link to allow to the tsunami aid is evidence of a small and petty mind? Fuck off you little shit - XED.talk 23:13, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)