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*:Not at all, I requested people make an AfD hours ago. The challenge made is that an article should ''never'' exist at this title, regardless of its content. That challenge has been made for months and resulted in countless edit wars. In other words, you are saying it is non-notable, and your proposal is clear in that you want (effectively) a deletion, not a merge (as defined at [[WP:ATD-M]] and [[WP:MERGE]]). People were happy to make notability/content arguments at MfD and other inappropriate venues, so why not here at AfD, the standard venue for assessing this with discussions being widely advertised? This is the best way to get a ''conclusive answer'' with near-guaranteed closure by an uninvolved admin after a week or two, and in a way that isn't going to be challenged or be procedurally dubious. Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but if someone who actually wants it deleted would've nominated it themselves, they could've made their own case in the nom. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 21:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
*:Not at all, I requested people make an AfD hours ago. The challenge made is that an article should ''never'' exist at this title, regardless of its content. That challenge has been made for months and resulted in countless edit wars. In other words, you are saying it is non-notable, and your proposal is clear in that you want (effectively) a deletion, not a merge (as defined at [[WP:ATD-M]] and [[WP:MERGE]]). People were happy to make notability/content arguments at MfD and other inappropriate venues, so why not here at AfD, the standard venue for assessing this with discussions being widely advertised? This is the best way to get a ''conclusive answer'' with near-guaranteed closure by an uninvolved admin after a week or two, and in a way that isn't going to be challenged or be procedurally dubious. Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but if someone who actually wants it deleted would've nominated it themselves, they could've made their own case in the nom. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 21:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' There is enough coverage of this to have an article for it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 21:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' There is enough coverage of this to have an article for it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 21:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:It's good to have a proper discussion about the notability of this article, as multiple editors have overwritten the article by redirects to [[COVID-19 misinformation#Wuhan lab origin]] ([[Special:Diff/1034205198]] [[Special:Diff/1034208436]]) or proposed moving its content to [[Investigations into the origin of COVID-19#Laboratory incident]], all of which are disputed measures. This can't be handled by a merge discussion regarding a specific target, as indicated by the earlier pushing for redirects to a different article. What is actually being questioned here is whether the COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis topic warrants its own article. AfD is a useful, and probably the most useful, venue to hold this discussion. It also doesn't duplicate the MfD discussion at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 June 7]], as we have detailedly determined at [[Talk:COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis#Unblanking]] ([[Special:PermanentLink/1034269045#Unblanking|permanent link]]). [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 22:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Procedural nomination. Since there has been a dispute over whether this topic is notable (it is claimed this subject does not "warrant its own article"), and since nobody else wants to make their points at AfD, I figure I'll open an AfD to get a conclusive answer to whether an article may exist at this title. Preceding DRV: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 June 7 and talk page discussions. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy close This is a WP:POINTY attempt to disrupt the merge proposal I created at Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_hypothesis#Merge_proposal. I never claimed that the topic is not notable, but that it is better covered at Investigations into the origin of COVID-19. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not at all, I requested people make an AfD hours ago. The challenge made is that an article should never exist at this title, regardless of its content. That challenge has been made for months and resulted in countless edit wars. In other words, you are saying it is non-notable, and your proposal is clear in that you want (effectively) a deletion, not a merge (as defined at WP:ATD-M and WP:MERGE). People were happy to make notability/content arguments at MfD and other inappropriate venues, so why not here at AfD, the standard venue for assessing this with discussions being widely advertised? This is the best way to get a conclusive answer with near-guaranteed closure by an uninvolved admin after a week or two, and in a way that isn't going to be challenged or be procedurally dubious. Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but if someone who actually wants it deleted would've nominated it themselves, they could've made their own case in the nom. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There is enough coverage of this to have an article for it. Dream Focus 21:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's good to have a proper discussion about the notability of this article, as multiple editors have overwritten the article by redirects to COVID-19 misinformation#Wuhan lab origin (Special:Diff/1034205198 Special:Diff/1034208436) or proposed moving its content to Investigations into the origin of COVID-19#Laboratory incident, all of which are disputed measures. This can't be handled by a merge discussion regarding a specific target, as indicated by the earlier pushing for redirects to a different article. What is actually being questioned here is whether the COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis topic warrants its own article. AfD is a useful, and probably the most useful, venue to hold this discussion. It also doesn't duplicate the MfD discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 June 7, as we have detailedly determined at Talk:COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis#Unblanking (permanent link). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)