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Update on PD

The proposed decision should be up later today or tomorrow. There's a bit of wordsmithing left to do before it's posted. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the update. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

1.6 nitpicking

It strikes me as a bit odd to include encouragement as a remedy re Administrators who have enforced the Post-1978 Iranian politics general sanctions are thanked for their work and asked to continue providing administrative assistance enforcing discretionary sanctions and at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. I would have expected an FOF if it was necessary to say "you guys dun good, do more". (I make no comment on whether it is indeed necessary to say such a thing.) (There is also some irony in sentencing admins to continue working in a dispute area and calling it a remedy. ;) Izno (talk) 01:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Izno great comment and you're right that it is a bit of an odd fit. The wording on this was designed to mimic our recent motion turning the COVID community GS into DS and that wording in a motion is obviously more of a fit than it is as a remedy to a larger case. In general, I am in favor of ArbCom having somewhat standard wording for stuff so we don't need to do Talmudic interpretations of what was meant with different wordings when in reality the intent was the same. Perhaps we (or I as one of the drafters) went too far here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:29, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, ultimately the line between FoFs and remedies can be blurred with non-actionable/enforceable remedies. In this case, I would say that this encouragement portion of the remedy is akin to how warnings and admonishments are non-actionable but still considered remedies. (And, aren't FoFs against a user without corresponding remedies just implicit warnings?) In any event, this is a standard formulation that the committee uses when assuming community-authorized discretionary sanctions, so I think it's sticking. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 01:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

El_C

Yeah, it's funny (thanks, now go man the stations!), but I'm actually positively impressed with what I'm seeing. I'd even go so far as saying: expectations exceeded. You dun good Arbs, now go on and arbitrate the land! El_C 01:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Sectioned. Now I'm sad. El_C 02:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)