Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isudan Gadhvi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Most of the keep arguments do not help at all in establishing notability. However, there are three unchallenged sources from the most recent argument demonstrating GNG is met. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Isudan Gadhvi

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Non-notable politician, lacking non-trivial support. A number of references do not support statements. Fails both WP:NPOL and WP:SIGCOV. Vanity article. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:58, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:58, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• 'Delete' Removing this page shows that a man is not a notable person, by joining a notable party, one does not become a notable person not pass WP:NPOL and WP:SIGCOV 🦁 Lionfox 🏹 0909 (talk) 10:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC).Blocked sock.— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Gujarat-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. The person is definitely notable. Along with holding positions of Joint-General Secretary and member of the National Executive of AAP, he remains a popular face in Gujarat, which was a fact long before his joining politics. Most of Gujarati language sources haven't been added due to unfamiliarity. Krayon95 (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Krayon95 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

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• Delete: Elected politicians are notable but he is not elected to a Legislative Assembly or National Assembly. Contributor008 (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
• If he was a popular local journalist, surely there must be sources in the local language. WP:BEFORE needs to be done. 2001:8F8:172B:3A55:50AE:A7FB:882A:142 (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

  Recent developments () clearly indicate the notability of the subject. Discussion should be closed and the template should be removed. Krayon95 (talk) 09:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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He's the chief ministerial candidate for a major political party in a major state. [KEEP] 160.39.19.84 (talk) 18:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

• Recent developments () clearly indicate the notability of the subject. Discussion should be closed and the template should be removed. Krayon95 (talk) 09:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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Krayon95, AFD discussions last at least 7 days. Please do not remove the AFD tag on the article, it will be removed by the discussion closer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:52, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep: The subject has been declared as the chief minister candidate from the Aam Aadmi Party for the purposes of Gujarat election. That makes the person quite notable.

Appu (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Being the chief ministerial candidate of a political party is not a WP:NPOL pass. Political parties can declare anyone as their candidate. Pls read WP:NOTACRYSTALBALL TheWikiholic (talk) 16:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep He is the face of Chief Minister of Aam Aadmi Party in Gujarat Election 2022. D 🐕 B 🦇K🐞 (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC) blocked sock.— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:16, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability: @Liz, @TheWikiholic. As mentioned, Gadhvi was established as a notable journalist and media personality long before he joined AAP in 2021. He was already a known face in Gujarat due to his show as all the sources suggest. This Afd should have been resolved sooner. Krayon95 (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: Being the chief ministerial candidate does not pass NPOL as @TheWikiholic had stated above. AAP Himachal CM face Surjeet Singh Thakur's Wikipedia page was deleted due to unnotability. I don't see how Gadhvi is more notable than him besides also being CM face. He also does not seem to have a chance of winning, as most opinion polls put AAP as getting below 20 seats. Ok123l (talk) 12:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

  Keep: I fail to understand why this deletion comes up every few days. The person is notable enough to have a wikipedia page, certainly not less than several others. Why bring this up again? Seems to me like people are bringing their politics to Wikipedia. 160.39.19.84 (talk) 05:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep: subject seems notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia page. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 05:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 04:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete - The position he currently has and the position he stands to possibly gain both do not meet WP:NPOL. There appears to be a decent amount of press coverage but it's not about him, it's about his recent appointment to being a candidate, which is routine coverage. I did find 2 sources that may have counted towards GNG [1][2] but I doubt that same coverage would have been given to him were he not in his position which, as I've already said, isn't NPOL meeting. So, delete. —Sirdog (talk) 05:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Comment: @Sirdog. "position he stands to possibly gain" = Chief Minister of Gujarat.

  "position he currently has" = major leader of a political party (AAP) in a state, other being Gopal Italia.

  "2 sources that may have counted towards GNG" = both these and many other sources are before his nomination as CM candidate. Krayon95 (talk) 09:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  I have refactored my statement as according to NPOL the chief minister position would be sufficient, so I appreciate the correction there. However, the position he currently has is insufficient and another editor has brought up concerns that he has been polled to lose. Even if he were polled to be winning, this would be a WP:TOOSOON situation. My 2 sources I mention above being published prior to his appointment is not relevant, my intent for bringing them up was that after searching for sourcing (with my search not being limited to a specific timeframe) those were the only two I found that might have had some merit. —Sirdog (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Sixth line of Wikipedia:Notability (politics)#Politicians, The person was nominated by a major political party for a contest at the national level is notable but Isudan Gadhvi was nominated for a contest at state level not at national level. LordVoldemort728 (talk) 08:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: Worth noting further that the relevant page has not yet been accepted and the specific line regarding a contest at the national level has been contested on the article talk page. —Sirdog (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - passes WP:NOPOL, as was established to Hindi and Tamil Wikipedia.Antonyvlas (talk) 11:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock. —Sirdog (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: @Sirdog, @TheWikiholic. The article was created months before the nomination as CM candidate. The subject merits a wiki article alone based on the basic criteria to establish notability of "significant press coverage" which he received in nationwide news and print media. Along with that, being known as a major political leader of a party in a state (Indian states often comprising of around 100million people), irrespective of what the polls estimates, there should be a wiki article, just as there is for Gopal Italia (no elected position). Furthermore, he was a known public figure even during his career as a journalist and as the head of a major Gujarati news channel VTV-Gujarati. In this scenario, we can compare with other known journalists such as Rohit Sardana (almost all the sources are post his demise), etc. This repetitive Afd might seem like a exercise of political biases on Wikipedia. Krayon95 (talk) 12:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
• Keep No doubt needs clean-up, but passes the GNG; sigcov, reliable sourcing clearly available (eg BBC Hindi, The Print, The Hindu). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 20:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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