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Obama WAS Registered "Muslim" in his Schools and attended mosques

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama15mar15,0,5315525,full.story

Here is a quote from the article: "His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both of the schools he attended."

Barack was called Barry in Indonesia. And here's what someone who knew him told the LA Times

"His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque," Adi said. "I remember him wearing a sarong." This is a valid source and this story should be mentioned in the article. It is very noteworthy as to the canditade's childhood background as this likely shapes his world-view as an adult. The previous unsigned commment was added by User: 69.125.108.189 at 01:56, 2 April 2007

Obama's statements in this article and in several public forums contradict what these sources say and that should be noted in the article. If the Obama supporters don't think there is anything wrong with having been registered as a Muslim, they should have no problem with this fact being in the article and its NPOV becaue having been is Muslim is not a bad thing, but the facts are the facts.

I hope we can dicuss this civilly and hopefully find a sentence that represents accurately this issue and that everyone can agree on. But consistently undoing my attempts is not the way to accomplish this and violates wikipedia's 3 undo edit rule. Rebyid 00:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Please actually read the article. 'The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends.' If you are going to quote items 40 years old subject to a lot of mixed evidence including in the article itself, why not quote the following "Instead of using his fists, Obama gained respect — and friends — by using his imposing stature to protect weaker children against the strong, Dharmawan said." Obviously I think neither of these types of things positive or negative belong in the article. Augustz 01:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Are my quotes from the article not accurate? Are you saying he was NOT registered as a Muslim in both of his elementary schools?! This went uncontradicted in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebyid (talk • contribs)

It's probably worth noting here that under Indonesian law, everyone is forced to register as a member of one of a half-dozen set religions. "Non-religious" is definitely not an option. The relevant quote from the article is "He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."--Pharos 02:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

That is correct.Tvoz |talk 03:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

"The relevant quote from the article is "He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."

1. Interesting. You are conceding that Obama's father was a Muslim. You will have to take that up with the others on this talk page who insist that he was an atheist. See Discussion on Origin of Obama's first name above.

Lolo Soetoro was Obama's stepfather, not his father. Obama's mother married Soetoro when Sen. Obama was a child. Sen. Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr., was an atheist. Italiavivi 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

2. It also should be noted that under Muslim law, religion passes paternally, so if Obama's father was Muslim that means he was born a Muslim.Rebyid 22:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

And thankfully, Wikipedia isn't obligated to identify individuals in strict accordance with Islamic Law. Welcome back from your ban, by the way, Rebyid. Italiavivi 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It's good to be back.Rebyid 23:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. </two cents> Fifty7 00:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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+== Obama WAS Registered "Muslim" in his Schools and attended mosques ==
+http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama15mar15,0,5315525,full.story
+Here is a quote from the article:
+"His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both of the schools he attended."
+Barack was called Barry in Indonesia. And here's what someone who knew him told the LA Times
+"His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque," Adi said. "I remember him wearing a sarong."
+This is a valid source and this story should be mentioned in the article. It is very noteworthy as to the canditade's childhood background as this likely shapes his world-view as an adult. ''The previous unsigned commment was added by [[User: 69.125.108.189]] at 01:56, 2 April 2007''
+Obama's statements in this article and in several public forums contradict what these sources say and that should be noted in the article. If the Obama supporters don't think there is anything wrong with having been registered as a Muslim, they should have no problem with this fact being in the article and its NPOV becaue having been is Muslim is not a bad thing, but the facts are the facts.
+I hope we can dicuss this civilly and hopefully find a sentence that represents accurately this issue and that everyone can agree on. But consistently undoing my attempts is not the way to accomplish this and violates wikipedia's 3 undo edit rule. [[User:Rebyid|Rebyid]] 00:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+: Please actually read the article. '' 'The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends.' ''If you are going to quote items 40 years old subject to a lot of mixed evidence including in the article itself, why not quote the following ''"Instead of using his fists, Obama gained respect — and friends — by using his imposing stature to protect weaker children against the strong, Dharmawan said."'' Obviously I think neither of these types of things positive or negative belong in the article. [[User:Augustz|Augustz]] 01:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+Are my quotes from the article not accurate? Are you saying he was NOT registered as a Muslim in both of his elementary schools?! This went uncontradicted in the article. {{unsigned|Rebyid}}
+:It's probably worth noting here that [[Religion in Indonesia|under Indonesian law, everyone is forced to register]] as a member of one of a half-dozen set religions.  "Non-religious" is definitely not an option.  The relevant quote from the article is "He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 02:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+::That is correct.<strong>[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] </strong>|<small>[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]]</small> 03:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+*"The relevant quote from the article is "He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."
+. Interesting. You are conceding that Obama's father was a Muslim. You will have to take that up with the others on this talk page who insist that he was an atheist. See Discussion on Origin of Obama's first name above.
+:Lolo Soetoro was Obama's stepfather, not his father.  Obama's mother married Soetoro when Sen. Obama was a child.  Sen. Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr., was an atheist. [[User:Italiavivi|Italiavivi]] 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+. It also should be noted that under Muslim law, religion passes paternally, so if Obama's father was Muslim that means he was born a Muslim.[[User:Rebyid|Rebyid]] 22:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+:And thankfully, Wikipedia isn't obligated to identify individuals in strict accordance with Islamic Law.  Welcome back from your ban, by the way, Rebyid. [[User:Italiavivi|Italiavivi]] 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+It's good to be back.[[User:Rebyid|Rebyid]] 23:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
+This is ridiculous. </two cents> [[User:Fifty7|Fifty7]] 00:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)