Talk:List of republics

What about the Republic of Ireland?

Republic

What about the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago? could we also see, head of state ie, president, prime minister, etc.listed next to the name of the country.

Map

How about gettiung a map together? like the one for the Monarchy article? Although, it would be more populated... 88.106.186.34 18:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Indian nationalists

SOmeone should put a stop to the indian nationalist revisionist attack on wikipedia. THeir touchups in democracy, republic, and corporate hitsory is dishonest and undocumented. Outside of explorartory articles dealing with the respective topics they have no proof whatsoever to their statements.

Pmanderson rv

Why is Pmanderson reverting this page, when the edit has a Reference! Nothing and I mean not a single one has any reference except the one I added on Sparta. There are references! And he reverts? I don't think so. WHEELER 03:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I will answer this, once. WHEELER's "references" are copied from two sources:

• a "thousand page fantasia" from 1824, about how the beautiful, strong-limbed, blond Dorians invented civilization. Even if Karl Otfried Mueller were not a crank, this would be too dated to be useful to us; not a reliable source.
• A three-volume tract by a Carolina professor who believes that the American Union has been decaying since the Constitutional Convention met. Fortunately, it is still easy to give due weight to the adherents of John C. Calhoun. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the references Niccolos Machiaveli called Sparta a republic. It is. Alexander Hamilton called Sparta a republic. Actually if you look, Pmanderson, Karl Otfried Muller called Sparta an Aristocracy not a republic nor mixed government. He had no concept of the term. But like a good German who is very detail oriented AND not afraid to let others speak, he quotes Cicero. All Prof. Muller did was repeat what Cicero said. More than you people will do.WHEELER 23:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the case of Wikipedians NOT following the policy of Wikipedia NPOV. I have references. It also seems that the powers that be----have not googled the term "Sparta and Republic". The original French Encyclopaedia had the Article "Sparta, republic of". There was another from 1837 in America. Here is the list of the term Republic with the term Sparta: http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/index.php/List_of_sources_identifying_Sparta_as_a_republic. Notice that I have pulled up quotes from four different websites currently as of 2000 that call Sparta a republic. It is all there referenced for you. You don't have to work at all---not that you have done any research or work on this matter at all.WHEELER 11:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

The Cicero reference is not useful, as the term res publica does not mean the same thing as the English term republic. The Rahe reference is also not useful. He doesn't use the term republic, only mixed government, which everyone other than WHEELER acknowledges are two difference concepts. Sparta could still be considered a republic. The most basic definition of republic is not a monarchy, and as a diarchy Sparta could thus qualify. This could be why Hamilton and Machiavelli feel free to call it so. However, modern scholars would not use this terminology. Until there are some references from recent peer reviewed works of scholarship that call Sparta a republic, it should be left of this list. - SimonP 12:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

First off, YOU ARE WRONG. Paul A. RAHE does use the term republic with Sparta: "At the same time, however, Lacedæmonia was a republic." (Rahe, pg 169). I don't know how many times I posted that, but you are certainly WRONG. Rahe DOES use the term republic!

Second, you moderns have changed the term and definition of republic. That is NOT the definition of the Classical term republic. Where do you find that definition "not a monarchy" in classical literature? Plato imitates, Aristotle uses the word Mixed, Cicero, a Roman Lawyer uses the term Mixed, Polybius says mixed.

Third, this "from recent peer reviewed works of scholarship that call Sparta a republic, it should be left of this list" IS NOT WIKIPEDIA policy!!! Show me where that is SimonP. What recent peer veviewed work labelled any of those places as republics?

Where are the MODERN SCHOLARLY WORKS that state each and every state you have on there as a republic? Where? You are making the rules tougher for me but every body else gets a free pass?WHEELER 13:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

This page does need references for the others listed, but none of the others are contested. When multiple users doubt the veracity of a fact, it is perfectly common to demand more evidence. As to your other point, if you reject the modern definition of the word republic, you shouldn't be working on this article, nor the republic page. There are two classical terms that can be translated as republic: res publica and politeia. Wikipedia has articles on both of them clearly outlining what they mean. - SimonP 14:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

In your last argument of 12:02, 16 June 2007 SimonP, I have refuted every one of your charges and your bogus statement that it has to come from peer reviewed works of scholarship. I have done that with Paul A. Rahe and with Taggert. Also did a google search; Sparta has come up numerous times as a republic. What you are doing SimonP is that after I refute all your arguments----you change the goalposts. You keep advancing and changing the bar. Truth is not subject to the Majority. You may hate that Sparta is a republic---But the evidence is there. I have done posted enough evidence.WHEELER 15:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The first words of Wikipedia:Verifiability state that truth is not the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia. Googling is not scholarship; and WP:NPOV forbids us to give equal time, much less more time, to extreme minority views, like Rahe's. As for Mueller's fantasies, they are no longer scholarship; they were dubious in 1824. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

That being said, I can see a case for including links to res publica and politeia, if not here, then at Republic. If WHEELER will stop reverting, and Simon permits it, I shall insert them. If he will not yield to consensus, he will be reverted, and eventually blocked. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

• You just can't stop learning at WP. A facinating discussion here. I propose a compromise as added at [[1]]. Perhaps some of the discussion above could be condensed into a footnote to accompany the entry. --Kevin Murray 20:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you. I can agree with that. That is fine! I had the references. All I wanted is that Sparta be included in the list and the Cretans.WHEELER 20:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

WHERE IS THE NEGOTIATION

I am here. I see that now the article has been changed. I don't agree. They can't even make up their own f#%#@$%# mind. Is Sparta a Monarchy now? Or an Oligarchy? And England? No. Sparta is Republic!!!! Where the negotiation? I see none!WHEELER 21:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Indiscriminate List

This article contains no citations. In addition, it's categorization scheme seems wp:or. What is the difference between a "Peoples Republic", a "Socialist Republic" and the states listed here as "Democratic Republics"? In addition, the list itself is indiscriminate. What does the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have in common? One is generally considered a republic, but doesn't have the word "republic" in its name. One is generally not considered a republic, but has "republic" in its name. As it stands, this article could be renamed "self-proclaimed republics" or perhaps "Non-Monarchies".--Work permit 20:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)