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Hi, I understand that you are either Greek Wikipedian or a Wikipedian living in/with an interest in Greece.

The category page Wikipedians/Greece has been replaced with Category:Wikipedians in Greece but your name still appears on the old list. You might considering moving it. You might also consider adding adding Template:Greekwiki to your user page.

A Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board has been in existence for some time but is terribly underutilised. It would certainly benefit from your involvement.--Damac 12:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info, I have added myself to the category and have put the template on my page thanks.WHEELER 00:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

EffK is forced to Abandon a Corrupted Wikipedia

I refer you to my response of a few moments ago at 15 December [[1]],http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/EffK/Evidence#3_December_2005 EffK 02:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Effeminacy, synoecism, and xenelasia

To be fair, SimonP was not the one who put the {{cleanup}} tag on Xenelasia. That was Pmanderson. And SimonP add the cleanup tag to Synoecism over month before he added it to Classical definition of effeminacy, so I don't think you can accuse him of wikistalking. However, it was IMO poor form of both Pmanderson and SimonP to add the cleanup tag to articles without explaining on the talk page what precisely was wrong with the article and what ought to change. I haven't read the three articles completely, and I know nothing about the subject, but from skimming them over, I would recommend that you cite the analyses of contemporary scholars. Your references sections in these articles are mostly to original texts or to 19th-century authors. The reference to Paul Rahe at Synoecism is a good start. What do other published contemporary scholars have to say about these issues? Presenting your own intepretation is original research, and is not allowed under Wikipedia policy. --Angr (t·c) 22:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking into it for meWHEELER 22:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fascio

I've just tried cleaning up the referencing at Fascio, which had become quite a mess. Indeed, it was enough of a mess that I may not have gotten everything correctly attributed. Since much of this was yours, can I ask you to take a look and correct anything that is not now correctly cited? Thanks. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Links

Just to let the reader know, I am responding to SimonP on his talk page. I am catching on to how evil works--I notice that he puts links into the edit summary line to say that SimonP is playing by the rules but Wheeler is not. I know how this works at Wikipedia (a clique of legalisms and if you don't play by their game you get burned). So to know that I am responding to SimonP please go to his User page atUser_talk:SimonP#Hostility.
Please stop adding links to your own personal essays, they are original research of low quality and should not be linked to by Wikipedia. - SimonP 18:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does have rather firm External links guidelines, one of those rules are that you should not link to any sites that "you own or maintain." The links you are adding are to pages that are entirely your own work, and are attempts to promote your own views. Also important is the rule that "pages that contain a substantial fraction of factually inaccurate material or which contain unverified original research should not be linked to." - SimonP 21:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Original research is not just theories developed from one's own researches, it is also unique syntheses of existing sources. Your Crete/Sparta essay, for instance, is original research because no one else believes that "Doric Crete is the progenitor of much of the institutions found in Doric Sparta." You have simply strung together a number of ancient and modern sources that happen to mention the two societies in the same sentence. Also those essays are unquestionably your own, they were created by you, they are maintained by you, and you personally have a great interest in seeing other people read them. While you might not be gaining financially, these links still fall under the definition of spam. - SimonP 20:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response to SimonP is here: User_talk:SimonP#Hostility.

Myson of Chen

Myson of Chen has been proposed for deletion. Reasoning is on the talk page. I was tempted to pull off the notice myself, because the reasoning seemed awfully strange to me, but I thought I'd run it by you as the person who contributed the article and might understand the guy's reasoning better. NickelShoe 20:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The information I found was through Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar, IIRC. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-03-4 17:37

Please, no spam

Regarding this edit: my talk page very specifically requests that people not spam me, especially with requests for votes regarding some subject of which I have no knowledge or interest. – Clockwork Soul 08:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain your post on the Joe Sobran page? - CDreamlings

Destra

Hi, I found an Italian copy of Doctrine of Fascism online:- "Ammesso che il sec. XIX sia stato il secolo del socialismo, del liberalismo, della democrazia, non è detto che anche il sec. XX debba essere il secolo del socialismo, del liberalismo, della democrazia. Le dottrine politiche passano, i popoli restano. Si può pensare che questo sia il secolo dell'autorità, un secolo di «destra», un secolo fascista; se il XIX fu il secolo dell'individuo (liberalismo significa individualismo), si può pensare che questo sia il secolo «collettivo» e quindi il secolo dello Stato." Thought you might be interested. Rich Farmbrough 22:39 8 June 2006 (UTC).

Wow, it's been, what, two or three years and WHEELER is still on about this? It was just a mistranslation into English, that's all - no conspiracy - either that or Conservatives in Britain or Hoover wanted to misdirect people to think fascism was left wing instead of right wing. The version of the Encyclopedia at my university with a 1932 copyright date says "destra" ie right so no, Mussolini did not change "left" to "right" in 1940. Homey 08:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians

To inform you, you've been added to the missing wikipedians. If you are not permenantly gone, you can remove your name from the list. --66.218.18.148 02:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dinko Sakic

Why isnt Dinko Sakic in the list of Living Nazis?Just because of his natinality he is not mentioned,even though he was one of the worst nazi monsters during the war

YXYX 03:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats

Keep up the good work on Wikipedia. BTW your beard is cool. :P --Ysangkok 20:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Published

The journal you're citing does not seem to be a peer reviewed publication, but rather one mainly geared to publishing the work of hobbyists. The managing editor, according to the site, is "a fully qualified IT-Systemelectrician" and not a recognized scholar. Congratulations on getting your work published, and I suggest that journals such as that one are a far better venue for your reinterpretations of history than is Wikipedia. - SimonP 14:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you're looking for more recent secondary sources. Perhaps you might consider searching some of the more prominent journals? A quick search gives an example list here: http://www.colorado.edu/Classics/clguides/periodicals.html - I can't vouch for all of them, but I know a lot of them are well respected and used. L'Année Philologique has a search engine which you might want to try, and I have heard that some people have derived a fair bit of use from a collection known as "JSTOR", though I've not used it myself. --Nema Fakei 00:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your question on consensus and other policies

I think you've missed something here; perhaps I can explain. Wikipedia's policy of consensus does not override other policies, it's how those other policies work. It is through a consensus that phrasing is accepted as NPOV, it is by consensus that we judge whether references are relevant and useful where there is uncertainty. If we did not seek consensus, every single person would simply battle away with their own personal view of the One NPOV Truth, and we would be left with permanent edit wars and incoherent, contradictory articles. Hope this makes sense. --Nema Fakei 00:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the definition of NPOV when I started at Wikipedia. NPOV meant that ALL AND ANY information is included. I thought NPOV is about inclusion of both sides. I have a reference that says A. And another one that says B. Both are included.

See Nema Fakei, your answer sets me up for it says that User:Pmanderson can just disqualify any and all references I make. This is what he has done. He doesn't accept NOTHING. Your answer Nema Fakei backs up User Pmanderson to stall, obfuscate and DISCOUNT EACH and every reference I have. This is what consensus means is that a whole majority can sit there and deny and deny freely and by doing so censor opposing viewpoints. Your consensus nullifies any reference I make and so negates NPOV. This is how you get around NPOV. IT is called gaming the system and that is exactly what your friend Pmanderson is doing.WHEELER 01:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have had reference upon reference that backed each other up and he deletes it. Pmanderson refers to I. M. Finley who calles Muller's research a "Thousand page fantasia". Now, Muller is critical of democracy and is a promoter of Aristocracy. I read his book--It is fantastic. Werner Jaeger, the German classicist who wrote the magesterial Paideia quotes him. I. M Finley is a Communist and a member of the Frankfurt School. Just because this Commie belittles a book, gives the right to User:Pmanderson to discount every reference from Mr. Muller. This is consensus. On references to Paul A. Rahe. User:Pmanderson says Rahe is an eccentric, so the Consensus says--we discount him. By attacking all my references, the clique in control, "This secret consensus", can discredit every single reference I have! This is now Wikipedia Policy! I have had enough of this BS.WHEELER 01:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried explaining this on the policy page a long time ago. What happened with the Classical definition of republic is that a whole bunch of British (modern) republicans ganged up and voted that off! FACT: over some 80% of all American faculty of colleges and universities ARE democrats and especially Socialists. Socialists do manipulate language and learning to further their ideology! That is a Fact. With a majority who are democrats and socialists teaching a majority of people----Me and people like me, Old School, traditionalists, Monarchists---are shit out of luck. With your """consensus""" you ensure that we are marginalized and censored. But that is the whole point of WHO CREATED THE Consensus Policy at Wikipedia!WHEELER 01:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 :That is not the definition of NPOV when I started at Wikipedia.  NPOV meant that ALL AND ANY information is included.  I thought NPOV is about inclusion of both sides.  I have a reference that says A.  And another one that says B.  Both are included.
 :See Nema Fakei, your answer sets me up for it says that [[User:Pmanderson]] can just disqualify any and all references I make.  This is what he has done.  He doesn't accept NOTHING.  Your answer Nema Fakei backs up User Pmanderson to stall, obfuscate and DISCOUNT EACH and every reference I have.  This is what consensus means is that a whole majority can sit there and deny and deny freely and by doing so censor opposing viewpoints.  Your consensus nullifies any reference I make and so negates NPOV. This is how you get around NPOV. IT is called gaming the system and that is exactly what your friend Pmanderson is doing.[[User:WHEELER|WHEELER]] 01:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
+I have had reference upon reference that backed each other up and he deletes it.  Pmanderson refers to I. M. Finley who calles Muller's research a "Thousand page fantasia".  Now, Muller is critical of democracy and is a promoter of Aristocracy. I read his book--It is fantastic.  Werner Jaeger, the German classicist who wrote the magesterial ''Paideia'' quotes him.  I. M Finley is a Communist and a member of the Frankfurt School.  Just because this Commie belittles a book, gives the right to [[User:Pmanderson]] to discount every reference from Mr. Muller.  This is consensus.  On references to Paul A. Rahe.  [[User:Pmanderson]] says Rahe is an eccentric, so the Consensus says--we discount him.  By attacking all my references, the clique in control, "This secret consensus", can discredit every single reference I have!  This is now Wikipedia Policy!  I have had enough of this BS.[[User:WHEELER|WHEELER]] 01:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
+I tried explaining this on the policy page a long time ago. What happened with the [[Classical definition of republic]] is that a whole bunch of British (modern) republicans ganged up and voted that off!  FACT: over some 80% of all American faculty of colleges and universities ARE democrats and especially Socialists.  Socialists do manipulate language and learning to further their ideology!  That is a Fact.  With a majority who are democrats and socialists teaching a majority of people----Me and people like me, Old School, traditionalists, Monarchists---are shit out of luck. With your """consensus""" you ensure that we are marginalized and censored.  But that is the whole point of WHO CREATED THE Consensus Policy at Wikipedia![[User:WHEELER|WHEELER]] 01:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)