User talk:Jimbo Wales

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Jimbo, will you please ban I alway enjoy my Ice Cream =)......Meow from Wikipedia. This user was blocked for vandalized editing. -- 00:23, February 3, 2008 (UTC)

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COI, anon, cabal, content arbcom

Jimbo, above you said:

"I don't think this is a fair representation of what has happened. [...] The article, when I have looked at it (not recently) seemed to be quite good to me, whereas the version proposed by the other side was not even remotely close to ok.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)"

I want you to notice that here you are making a content decision in order to judge COI in order to decide whether or not a public discussion of a possible real world identity should take place. This sort of thing is obviously needed when wikipedia values both NPOV (so we have to watch out for COI) and anonymous editing (so we have to not take outing lightly). The problem I see in this case is that the sock war has resulted in public claims (e.g. in letters published by the SEC that are against both sides in the wikipedia war) that the articles have been biased by banning socks on the basis of the content they wished to add to the articles; resulting in the question of who at wikipedia should be evaluating the content of these articles for NPOV. We do not have a content arbcom. I think we should move in the direction of having an academically based one. It is policy that the community decides content, not a cabal. Yet, when a few people talk privately in order to avoid public discussion of a real world identity and that private group takes it upon itself to define NPOV for some articles in order to decide a COI question, then we have in fact a cabal making itself a content arbcom for those articles. It occurs to me that, since we have a de facto content arbcom when real life identities are involved, we need some sort of check&balance. For example, instead of saying "seemed to be quite good to me" suppose you were able to say "I asked a favor of two university professors who are experts in these articles to review the articles for bias (and accuracy, if they had time) and both thought it was a neutral presentation and said so on the talk page using their real names". I think we need to move in the direction of using real life experts for content arbitration in those few cases that cause huge problems. WAS 4.250 (talk) 23:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

WAS 4.250, I ask you to please be more precise. I am not "making a content decision in order to judge COI in order to decide whether or not a public discussion of a possible real world identity should take place". I said nothing about "whether or not a public discussion of a possible real world identity should take place" nor do I see any way in which a content decision plays any role in that. I am fully in favor of a public discussion of real world identity, and I have in fact posted publicly about it myself. This idea of a private group taking it upon itself to define NPOV, etc., bears no similarity to anything I support or agree with at all. I support a full public discussion of this entire situation.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I came here to respond to exactly the above statement, which User:Mantanmoreland has linked to in his defence.

I encourage you to read my evidence on here. I think you'll see where the problem lies, and why you were, not to put too fine a point on it, mistaken. Relata refero (talk) 10:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Somebody should write a primer to all of this. I've been trying to follow it, but my eyes have glazed over. While I appreciate the tips people have been sending me for column suggestions, the backstory to this (wiki-)drama is immense. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 02:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Repost and elaboration from above. Cla68 is more familiar with the history of this case, so I defer "suppression" evidence to his section of the RFAR evidence. Incidentally, he cites Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Weiss. Do you suppose this could be undeleted for the duration of the arbitration? You were the one who deleted it, so I thought it best to ask you.

The deletion debate is especially enlightening in light of G-Dett's evidence of self-promotion. Cool Hand Luke 20:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely sick of the poor community on this website

Jim, I'm leaving Wikipedia. I am absolutely sick of the piss poor attitude of people on this site. This is a great idea Jimmy, but there's not enough oversight, there's little community, and I'm tired of the grief I get. I have other things I can do with my time. I wrote a note here. I'm really fed up, and my being blocked earlier this week on a whim, when I violated no policy (not even 3RR) because I continually changed a Talk page title that disparaged me and my work, in addition to attitudes like I found on your own talk page[1], and I'm just tired of it. --David Shankbone 15:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

You threatened to leave earlier when Wikipedia refused to republish the original research you posted at Wikinews. In my opinion, you have helped Wikimedia and its projects a great deal and you will be missed; but you were here partly to promote yourself and you are seeing the limits of this venue for that purpose and so you are right to see what you can achieve elsewhere. Please feel welcome to participate here any time when it serves both Wikimedia and you to do so. Ya gotta earn a buck. We all do. Good luck. WAS 4.250 (talk) 15:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Mikkalai, one of our oldest and most prolific contributors, said a while back that the only reason to stay at wikipedia (as unpaid volunteers) is because we get something personal out of it. David, you said you didn't even have a camera until wikipedia inspired you to get one and you now have 3000 images uploaded, you also have gained useful interviewing experience I imagine at wikinews; and while we can maybe get a good feeling helping the laudable educational aims of this project surely any of us who have contributed considerably simply must have got something out of the project too, and that is absolutely the way it should be. It isn't COI for me to say that just being around a web 2.0 site is hugely helpful professionally, and really I would say to anyone, a la Mikkalai, that if you are personally benefitting in a selfish way from your work here then that is probably a good reason to continue whereas if you are not its probably a very good reason to retire. There is no way iw ould stay other than that I get tangible bbenefits from my experiences working here. Well just a thought. Thanks, SqueakBox 22:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

i never knew you had a page

and i am now worried that i never thought you would, you only invented the damn thing! anyway thanks, thanks and again thanksPerry-mankster (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Random

Have you been to Boston lately? Its quite a lovely city. Charles Stewart (talk) 04:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Highschool Notability Question

The guideline under WP:SCL is only a proposed guideline. I was wondering how, if possible, to make it a rule on wikipedia. The reason I inquire is: I find it fairly difficult to find high schools with third party sources. I've seen some schools get deleted because of this. The reason given is always WP:N. I think that schools should recieve a category of their own. Please, if possible, leave a response on my talk page. Undeath (talk) 05:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

You may want to read Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Hut 8.5 11:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I've read that, but it just told me what I already knew. I'm saying that, the longer this remains a proposal, the longer school articles will get deleted because they lack a third party source. I look at it in the sense that not every school is talked about in a third party source. Undeath (talk) 12:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

If there are no third party sources, then generally I think things should be deleted, due to the risk of hoax or other forms of misinformation.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo again

Hello Jimbo. I'm sure you know, the issue of the Japanese and Devanāgarī characters in the Wikipedia logo being wrong has been brought up again and again on Wikipedia discussion forums and mailing lists. Or at least that's what I've now heard — I hadn't actually heard anything about this until I saw it on your talk page last week. Also, as far as I can see, the main reason it's never been changed is because nobody's willing to take the time to fix it. But — I did fix it, last week. I replaced the two wrong characters and left the rest as is. The logo is not actually too difficult to fix so it seems silly not to.

Since it's a Foundation logo, I really don't know what to do or how to propose it, or how to get consensus for it. There's no standard procedure but I'm asking on your talk page for your input. I'd like other editors to comment on it too. Thank you. • Anakin ^(talk) 15:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

controversial ban

I Jimbo. Once again, I am asking you to (at least) take a look at this. This claim by admin User:Thatcher131 was disproved here. But the user is still blocked indef. Other checkuser requests show that no other sockpuppet was used. Neither after the ban, nor before the ban. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.144.211 (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Third time, let me be more concise

Do you mind if I undelete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Weiss for the duration of the Arbitration? Y/N Cool Hand Luke 20:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I see no benefit in doing so.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)