User talk:Cjim63

Regarding Oom Yung Doe

The listing of "styles" does not make sense. "Kung Fu" isn't a "style" its a catch phrase for Chinese martial arts in general, of which Tai Chi and Bagua also fall under. I.E., they are both under "Kung Fu". I would advise changing it to "Tiger Style" or finding a reference to what actual style" they are teaching. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

hey Marty, are you familiar w/ oyd? we all know kung fu is not a style and whatnot. the point is, oyd does not know that. they literally list it as a style. it is typically written as follows on school windows "Goong Bu (Kung Fu)". i consider it part of the body of evidence that oyd is mostly fabrication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.196.224 (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Oom Yung Doe, opening paragraph

If you actually scrolled further down and read the text, you would see that I did not delete the text, but simply shifted it further down in the paragraph. Mx08 (talk) 17:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually had no intention of deleting that phrase, it must have been inadvertent. On my diff view, it was still there. As for the other part being unsourced, I only summarized what was said below, because it is the introductory paragraph. There is no need to have citations in both places, especially in the intro paragraph. If you feel that that information is unsourced, then it should be removed from the main body of the article below. Mx08 (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate you being cooperative about the editing! I see your point now, about the citations in the opening paragraph, I will try to come up with some to support that. I suppose I could just cite the same ones used in the main body of the article, as long as the statements are the same (as I tried to make them). As far as the criticism, I only mentioned that, because someone gave it as a reason for removing one of my edits (I put in the word criticism to begin with). They referenced an article which mentioned that using the word criticism was discouraged as it may affect the NPOV. I actually agree that "criticism" should be there. Mx08 (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Oom Yung Doe article class assessment

Well, first you should be aware of the recent change to the criteria for B-Class, making it much harder for an article to be assessed B-Class (see WP:WIABCA for the six criteria now in effect). I didn't single out this article, I went through all eighty or so of the articles that were rated B-Class by the WP:WPMA and demoted all but eight of them. My primary concerns for this article with respect to references, though, were the high number of youtube videos, the high number of primary sources, and the lack of a consistent citation system. I would recommend you read WP:CITE, and also that you implement citation templates, which you can find at WP:TC. I also think that the article lacks a lot of content relating to details on the substance of the style, as well as having no pictures hurts it. Let me know if that helps or if you have any questions. Bradford44 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

You questions

Glad to help where I can as you will probably see from my profile I also have my own opinions on this kind of topic, but I also believe that you will convince a lot more people by presenting things fairly & letting them make up their own mind with the bonus that by being neutral you make sure people cannot poke holes in your logic easily. On your questions:

1. It is a bit vague, but the short version, of my understanding, is that if its a self published source is probably won't be classed as a reliable source for claims etc. However, for saying 'OYD practitioners say this...' etc it can be used as a primary source as all you are sourcing is that the do say that. It cannot be used to support claims of efficacy, and the like, of the practices as possibly biased in the same way as a press release, i.e. anything from putting things in a good light to, out & out exaggeration.

2. A list of companies would be some what promotional, referencing to a couple in the sentance where it says this happens would be the best option.

3. It self Identifies as a martial art so that would be that info box, but you could add the religion one if you felt that was more appropriate, my rule of thumb is use the one that wil get more fields populated.

Hope that helps. -Nate1481 08:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:OYD Sae Gae Nae Gong.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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I believe that I've handled this with the GNU license.Cjim63 (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:OYD Altered Photo.jpg

Someone has tagged this for a speedy deletion, have you got any back ground on the copyright status? --Nate1481 08:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:OYD Altered Photo.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:OYD Altered Photo.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- lucasbfr ^talk 12:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC) ---- lucasbfr ^talk 12:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Dear Lucasbfr, I am writing with regard to the image being considered by deletion. The original photo did indeed come from the Yahoo Group that you were unable to get onto. You were unable to get in because you need an account in order to look at the group's files. At any rate, even though I originally got it there, it probably originally came from a licensed poster and book, which I've tracked down and listed in the Non-free use media rationale. Hopefully this was the correct course of action to take since the images are useful in Oom Yung Doe article. You will have to believe that I uploaded the photos in good faith, albeit with limited knowledge of how to correctly upload media.Cjim63 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your help. I have fixed your license to put {{Non-free historic image}} instead (book cover and posters are meant to be used when discussing a movie or a book). As you can see when reading the tag, its use is fairly restrictive and I must admit that I don't think that it is a good idea to keep it, in the current state of the article (the image is not discussed at length and seems to be here only for decoration purposes). Thanks again for your help in improving the encyclopedia! -- lucasbfr ^talk 13:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)