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Sathya Sai Baba article

Sathya Sai Baba is a living person, who lives in a small city called "Puttaparthi", in South India, state of Andhra Pradesh. Thousands of people gather everyday to see him, in a place called Sai Kulwant Hall, inside a complex called "Prasanthi Nilayam", where Sai Baba's residence is located. This people believe he is a saint.

On the other hand, there is a group of people who believes he is a criminal.

So, we have two radically opposite points-of-view.

The article in Wikipedia is being used by the group with the "anti-Baba" point-of-view to do theirs propaganda. This group is engaged in a strong effort to avoid the article to be a truly representative of NPOV.

Currently, the article suffers from:
- lack of NPOV
- offends Basic Human Dignity
- suffers from Information Supression

Link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

In the brief description of the case, above, I myself have assumed a neutral point-of-view.

Below, a link to my first comment about the article. There, I write with my own POV feelings, but using NPOV arguments, so neutral editors could follow and, with common sense, agree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba#What_if_Sai_Baba_is_really_an_Avatar.3F

But, after that, I found many unpleasant things:
- trying to edit results in "removal of large-scale vandalism", and the edit vanishes from the history; (thus, the history itself is biased)
- there is an editor, "White adept", acting as policeman to maintain biased, not-NPOV status quo;
- there is another user, "Andries", faking a positive POV; (thus, you are mislead)
- their combined actions drive anybody who arrives to read all negative-POV references;
- also, they managed a pack of ready-made arguments that classifies the huge amount of positive-POV references as "not reliable";
- making, in this way, extremely difficult, if not impossible, to restore or improve the article's quality.

This article constitutes a very serious issue for Wikipedia itself. Millions of people around the world support Sai Baba's efforts (six million, in the negative-POV estimate; from 50 to 100 millions, in the positive-POV estimate). The current article is an offense not only to Sai Baba himslef, but also to all of them.

Thank you.

Unblocking Freewayguy (talk · message · contribs · count · logs · email)

My block have been set to indefinite, and my page was protected becasue i keep messing up junction lists, and making alot of mess to Los Angeles-Orange County articles, and not been careful with state DOT's symbols. I promise I will take time, and try to speak proper English, and with state's DOT symbol, don't make up abbreviation, ask source desk if I'm having trouble finding a source. Can you rview my block, and perhaps compromising. I have showed I have mature by taking time, and try to spell things properly. If can only make 5 edits a day, then just make 5. The problem with making 50 crappy edits is cauing editors twice the amout of work to try to fix them. For a junction list I messed up in los Angeels-Orange County will take one guy at least 5 minutes to fix one multiply to 50, that's 250 minutes. For 250 minutes people can just visit Golden Gate Bridge up in San Francisco, and there is alot of fun things they can do besides clearing up after my crappy edits. if I'm naive to junction lists my snadbox is a good place. When I mess up on my sandbox, it's okay because it's my lounge, nobody sees it so i can keep practing it. Alos i will try to avoiid made-up words like "Greenloop", bluelink, or pink tag. Rather, native peoples would ratehr refer to them as "Business loop", "Wikilinks" and "Speedy deletion tag". please review my talkpage on my account, and compromise it if so.--69.229.108.39 (talk) 01:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Ryan. Just FYI, I advised Freewayguy to appeal his indef block per Wikipedia:Appealing_a_block#Appeal_to_the_Arbitration_Committee rather than continue to evade his block via IP (see the thread at Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Science_desk:_Jupiter.2FSaturn.2FColo.28u.29r_guy) - but I guess that he misunderstood the instructions and posted to your talkpage instead of emailing you (in your capacity as an Arbitration clerk) in order to request that an appeal might be filed with Arbcom on his behalf. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

[1] - bad idea to unblock. --Rschen7754 (T C) 08:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, it doesn't look good. I'll email this off to ArbCom so they can make a proper evaluation, but I'll make sure to include the link you gave me Rschen7754. Thanks both, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 22:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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If its appropriate to request this and you have time, would you please check out comments made at Talk:Python_reticulatus#Debate_regarding_length_claims_made_by_various_zoos and Talk:Python_reticulatus#Verifiability. It is my position that I've endured days of personal attacks and incivility from User:Mokele and User:Jwinius.

• User:Mokele has told me "Cry me a river. I see absolutely no reason to listen to a mere amateur. Come back when you have a graduate degree in herpetology. Until then, stop wasting our time" and represents his editorial standpoints as "I don't give a crap if the news articles meet some overly-vague WP rule...we should stick to peer-reviewed scientific journal sources ONLY" and has referred to my good faith edits as "unencyclopedic crap" (all comments at [2]).
• User:Jwinius has informed me that I am "silly", [3], "petulant" , "irritable", "thin-skinned", [4] etc.

I've lost count of how many times I've encouraged courtesy in these users. Perhaps encouragement of good behavior coming from someone other than myself and User:Cygnis insignis might have effect. User:Cygnis insignis's comments on our discussion begin as follows “I've waded through the incivility, bold assumptions, uncited assertions, expletives and other obstruction to this good faith contribution. However this is not the place for identifying this obnoxious pattern of behavior...” (see hidden comments at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Python_reticulatus&action=edit&section=17) Ultimately, this dispute is about a claim made by User:Mokele and User:Jwinius to allow certain content at Python_reticulatus#Captivity that they deem unencyclopedic. Thanks for considering my comments. -- --Boston (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

• Please also note this edit summary by User:Mokele "Put up or shut up, amateur. Show me this mythical "outside arbitration", because you seem to lack the balls to use the talk page anymore." --Boston (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: archiving

Very sorry about that. The workshop was just unbearable. Please feel free to revert my moves. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not a problem - I just thought it best you stop before you get into hot water and an edit war breaks out! As far as I can see, there's nothing that needs reverting at the minute. I've moved a couple of large sections over and there's a couple more I'm going to reread because I can't make up my mind about whether they're best on the main page or talk page. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 23:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

OK. Just an FYI, Greg L has reverted one of your moves also—[5]. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I didn’t realize you were a clerk. Nothing is binding on arbitrators. Why would an extremely specific, 1227-word proposal outlining a seven-step approach have so little to do with the arbitration that it belongs on a talk page? Greg L (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• It's actually a link to discussion - it's aim is to plan a way to move forward, but it's more of a guideline discussion, rather than arbitration related. I think it's a good start, but the workshop is too convoluted already to add something which isn't a proposal as such, more of new way of dealing with things. The talk page is an ideal place for this, or if someone could create a specific proposal in userspace and it could be discussed there. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 23:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• I think that I suggested to a clerk (not sure which one) a while ago that the thread be moved; I have no problem as it is aimed toward content and not really behavioral issues—at least not directly. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• it's more of a guideline discussion, rather than arbitration related: What is the purpose of the arbitration? This whole thing started because Locke had problems with Lightmouse’s bot delinking dates. The proposal speaks precisely to the issue of looking at the RfCs, figuring out what can be de-linked, and deciding whether a bot can participate. This is central to the arbitration; not tangential. Right? Greg L (talk) 23:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• The workshop header has this: “The Arbitrators, parties to the case, and other editors may draft proposals and post them to this page for review and comments”. There are…

• Proposals by Septentrionalis (Pmanderson
• Proposals by Masem
• Proposals by RexxS
• Proposals by Locke Cole
• Proposals by User:Kotniski
• Proposals by Tennis expert

And some of these are lengthy. I see absolutely no justification for my not being able to have a 1227-word Proposals by Greg L. Please respond. Greg L (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• How is that not a proposal? Greg L (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The proposal you made isn't arbitration related - it was not about arbitration, it's merely developing a standard for you all to work to. If you want to develop this, please do so in your userspace or discuss it on the talk page as I've already pointed out. If you want to propose a biding sanction, then please do so (e.g. a block or an editing restriction), but the workshop isn't the place to start forming long discussions about how you can work better together in the future. As I said, the talk page might be a better venue for this. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 00:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)