Talk:Cephalonia Prefecture

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move DrKiernan (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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Kefallinia Prefecture → Kefalonia and Ithaca Prefecture — This is the proper name of an administrative entity in Greece, as shown by its website.[1] The name was changed without any discussion.[2]—Damac (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no proper method for transliteration of modern Greek; whether there is one for ancient Greek is debateable. The page linked to uses both Κεφαλονιά and Κεφαλληία, the latter would be systematically transliterated to the presnt title; it is not our business to decide between Katharevsa and Demotic; I would recommend spelling Cephalonia as Cephalonia, myself. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Support The main issue here is the inclusion of Ithaca in the prefecture's title, not the spelling of Kefalonia. However, on that issue, you will find that the general consensus on Wikipedia as well as in much of the English-language media is that the island is generally rendered as Kefalonia.--Damac (talk) 21:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

This is the nominator's own support.

• I do not find any consensus of the sort; please do not make implausible claims - it will lead to rash (and I trust mistaken) conclusions about your motives.
• As for the inclusion of Ithaca, why? (And if Ithaca - not Ithaki - why not Cephalonia?) We usually adopt the simplest form of a name in common use: United Kingdom, not United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Please let me explain. The subject of this article name change is the prefecture and not the island of Kefalonia. Kefalonia (island) already has its own article. When, some years ago, I noticed that there was no seperate for the prefecture, I created one, entitled Kefalonia and Ithaca Prefecture. Up to that point, there was confusion whether the information on population, size, etc., contained on the Kefalonia (island) page referred to the island or the prefecture. Indeed, if I recall correctly, the island article claimed that the entity was also a prefecture.

The problem with the Kefallinia Prefecture title is that it is not immediately clear that this is not just the island of Kefalonia. Using the proper title makes it clear that what is being referred to. Comparing this relatively small and internationally insignificant administrative unit with the United Kingdom is hardly appropriate.

As regards the spelling of Kefalonia, the existence of articles on Kefalonia, and the categories on Category:Cities, towns and villages in the Kefalonia and Ithaka Prefecture (please look at some of the entries there) and Category:People from Kefalonia suggest some measure of consensus regarding that island's spelling.

Google searches produce the following hits: Kefalonia - 1,500,000 hits, Cephalonia - 181,000 hits, Kefallinia - 141,000 hits, Cephallenia - 47,000 hits, Cephallonia - 19,300 hits.

If you propose that Wikipedia change all references to the island of K. to Cephalonia, then I suggest you make the relevant request and argue your case there. In the meantime, please focus on how we should name the article referring to this particular multi-island prefecture.--Damac (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Support: there is no reason to ignore the official name. --TakenakaN (talk) 01:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there is; see WP:Official names for more. But in this case, both names are official - and neither is English. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

That policy does not dictates what you claims it does. The proposed name is correct and complete, you gave no good reason to reject it. --TakenakaN (talk) 10:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Let me see: I gave the following:

• There is no evidence that the proposed name is used in English.
• It is long and clumsy; names should be concise, and no more precise than necessary.
• It does not use the English for Cephalonia.

Takenaka may not consider these good reasons, but our policies do.

I expect you to change Trinidad and Tobago to Trinidad alone, then. --TakenakaN (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Why? Trinidad and Tobago is used in English, and it disambiguates the country from the island, as Prefecture disambiguates the administrative division from the isalnd. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Very strongly oppose. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support including Ithaca in the title for precision. No opinion on the spelling of either island. Ucucha 11:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.