Talk:Memphis

I can't figure out why I can't get the Roland Robinson entry to stop showing up in the "What links here" section of this site. I thought I had already changed the link in that article to Memphis to be to Memphis, Tennessee. User:Bebop 21:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Page move

This page should not redirect to Memphis, Tennessee, but rather to Memphis (disambiguation). The ancient Egyptian city Memphis (Egypt) is at least as famous, if not moreso, than the American city.

There are currently 124 articles that link to Memphis. At at a quick glance, I'd say all but a dozen of them mean Memphis, Tennessee. This page should redirect to Memphis, Tennessee, with a redirect warning on that page back to Memphis (disambiguation). Colonies Chris 14:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think so, too. I am in the process of disambiguating the links to Memphis, once I am done with that, I am going to move that page to Memphis (disambiguation). Memphis gets a redirect to Memphis, Tennessee after that is done. doxTxob \ ^talk 01:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Completed. I have disambiguated all but a dozen of links to Memphis and moved the page to Memphis (disambiguation). The remaining links to Memphis are logs and archives. Memphis now redirects to Memphis, Tennessee, that page has a link to the disambiguation page place at the top. doxTxob \ ^talk 03:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Memphis (disambiguation) → Memphis — Currently two main subjects using the name "Memphis":

1. Memphis, Egypt, an ancient Egyptian capital; an UNESCO World Heritage Site.
2. Memphis, Tennessee, a city in the United States.

Memphis currently redirects to the second. Previous discussions on the Memphis talk page have concluded that there is no single primary topic. Multiple moves either way have recurred in the past, as can be seen in the move log and revision histories. Night w (talk) 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

• Traffic Stats:

  January (during this time, Memphis → Memphis, Tennessee)

  • Memphis, Tennessee 54,458 hits [1]
    • Memphis redirect 10,332 [2]
  • Memphis, Egypt 12,375 [3]
    • Memphis egypt redirect 161 [4]
    • Memphis (Egypt) redirect 58 [5]
    • Men-nefer redirect 38 [6]
    • Egypt Memphis 24 [7]
    • Necropolis of Memphis redirect 21 [8]
    • Ineb Hedj redirect 21 [9]
    • Ankh Tawy redirect 18 [10]
    • Menfe redirect 17 [11]
    • Memphis necropolis redirect 15 [12]
    • Ineb-Hedj redirect 10 [13]
  • Memphis (disambiguation) 1044 [14]

• Oppose Tennessee city appears to be the primary topic, by traffic stats and by incoming links when this was first discussed. The arguments there for determining primary topic by age, historical significance, and cultural significance are erroneous -- WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is determined by readership usage, not by age of the topic (and Memphis, Tennessee also has current cultural significance). It is possible that extended hatnote on Memphis, Tennessee, since it links directly to Memphis, Egypt as well as to the disambiguation page, is skewing the stats. It seems unlikely, given the proportions of reader of the Tennessee article using the redirect, but it's possible. If we'd like to determine, then the hatnote could either be rewritten to use a redirect like Memphis (Egypt) or a new redirect, or to link only to the disambiguation page (which would inconvenience readers in the meantime). After a period of several months, we could check the stats on that set up. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Primary topic is determined by consensus, not statistics. Arguments about age, historical significance, and cultural significance are completely valid considerations. older ≠ wiser 12:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)