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The one in Devon has a different name, Whympston, Wimpstone appears to be former alternative name, wouldn't the redirect (with the hatnote) work better than the DAB page with only 2 items. As it was until 5 months ago. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I dunno. Seems a stretch to give primary topic status to Whitchurch, Warwickshire for Wimpstone where the term is mentioned only as one component of what is already described as a small hamlet. Google books seems to give far more prominent mentions of the historic manor in Devon. olderwiser 17:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Interesting, I'd note that a Google search returns results for the Warwickshire one, but yes you're right there is a lot more about the one in Devon as "Wimpstone". Maybe it should go to RFD? Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Since there are no extremely strong indications that either is clearly the primary topic for the term, I think a disambiguation page is appropriate per WP:NOPRIMARY. olderwiser 20:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave it for now, if we create an article on the Warwickshire one, or add substantial content to Whitchurch, Warwickshire on it, then we can make do with a hatnote, but I'll just leave it for now. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

State cessions[edit]

What definition of "modern-day" do you use in this edit? Nyttend (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The states described are "modern-day" entities. Virginia never exercised control over anything more than a handful of river settlements in Illinois and Indiana. It's claim was just a claim. olderwiser 00:42, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your note, but I don't quite understand on 1980s in music and Music history of the United States in the 1980s I changed the link from Unconditional love_(disambiguation) to Unconditional Love (Donna Summer song) & the others similarlarly unless something has gone wrong with the DisamAssist software. I will investigate.— Rod talk 19:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

It (Disam Assist) has just done a similar thing redirecting Trevor Johnson (disambiguation) to Trevor Johnson which I know is wrong and I can't work out what went wrong or how to roll it back. I'm going to stop using gadget & any help with undoing the edit I inadvertently did would be appreciated.— Rod talk 19:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Why did you revert this edit? --Iiii I I I (talk) 22:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. I shouldn't have reverted. I was using small screen and at first glance it looked to be vandalism. I partially restored your edit in subsequent edits.

Mitchell v. United States[edit]

You're piling up the cases in there like a night court backlog. Nice work! Randy Kryn (talk) 14:35, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Explain deletions[edit]

Hi! I notice as an admin you have been deleting my edits about periodicity. Could you please explain your decision? What could I potentially do differently to gain credibility? I am intent on following guidelines. I am also intent on adding relevant and correct information about periodicity to that page (yes I accidentally conflated periodicity with wavelength, that would be fixed). My research area is in signal processing/recognition, digital additive synthesis, and mathematical music theory. Periodicity is huge here. Thanks for the help,

RB — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Periodicity is a disambiguation page, not an article. The entries should be short, just enough to enable readers to quickly find the topic they are looking for. olderwiser 09:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Signpost issue 4 – 29 March 2018[edit]

subst template per documentation[edit]

Hi Bkonrad, I'm curious about why you are removing {{refer}} templates in disambiguation pages. I have been using Dabfix which adds the template, and if that's wrong, I'd like to understand why. Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

See the documentation for template:refer which says This template should always be substituted. If Dabfix didn't do that, I'd say it is an error. Dabfix is far from perfect and should always be used with editorial discretion. olderwiser 23:36, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see the problem now. I'll make sure that it says {{subst:refer}} and not {{refer}}. Thanks for the help, Leschnei (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your edit to Christmas (disambiguation), but i was worried about breaking links to Christmas (disambiguation)#People with the given name and Christmas (disambiguation)#Fictional, plus i suspect these sections should have more entries, even if i can't think of any right now.

If we're not worried about breaking links to subsections, what do you think about changing the "Other uses" subsection header to "People named Christmas"?

-- (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


Why did you restore a contentious revision to Amazon when there is no consensus about it?

I voluntarily backed out of shaping the disambiguation page to closer match what I'm arguing for. I replaced it with a neutral state that doesn't conform to either side's preferred version but is nonetheless functional and unsurprising by its antiseptic and impartial presentation. You respond by restoring another editor's preferred version despite the fact that (a) the discussion isn't resolved in favor of that version, and (b) you don't even weigh in on the discussion with any argument (just appealing vaguely to "guidelines").

That's more than a little distasteful. Please voluntarily back out these changes to revert to the neutral form. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

If anything, if say I restored it to version before any concerns were raised. Considering you have not garnered any support at all for your position, and several highly experienced editors opposing, I don't see any reason to change. olderwiser 18:27, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
"I restored it to version before any concerns were raised" is verifiably untrue.
And like User:Xezbeth, you seem to blatantly synthesizing a quorum that doesn't exist, viz Xezbeth's first contribution to this topic: "the discussion where you've been told why you're wrong by three different editors".
At the time of that comment, the people involved in the discussion were, in order: Fyrael, me, PamD, and Certes.
So where does that notion come from? Are you under the impression that PamD is arguing in favor of Fyrael's revision and against mine? Do you think that Certes is? Because they're not.
That leaves Fyrael. Fyrael certainly doesn't account for three persons. Let's suppose that number is supposed to include the years-old discussion that took place before, because maybe that's a factor? The problem is, that discussion involves exactly two people besides those already listed above, neither one of whom is voicing an opinion that comports with the claim, either.
Please restore the page to the neutral version. And please, after an attempt to back off and reach consensus, do not exacerbate a contentious situation by forcefully seizing the article to push one side's preferred version. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry. You are wrong. And insulting language does not help advance your arguments. olderwiser 19:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Responding to particulars, your edit removed any indication of which entries are the most commonly meanings of "Amazon". User:PamD said t's a complicated situation where the plural has a Primary topic and the singular doesn't, but I'd say that the river, the tribe and the company should all three appear at the top of the page as the major uses. Can you honestly say that supports your position?
Similarly, after some analysis, User:Certes concludes It seems that the main meanings, worth highlighting in the lead, are the company, the river, the people and perhaps the rainforest. Again, can you honestly say that supports your position. Both of them, as well as User:Fyrael and User:Xezbeth support organization that is explicitly at odds with both your preferred edit as well as your purportedly "neutral" edit. olderwiser 19:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
That is not my position, and that's not an accurate summary of the events as they happened. You are (perhaps intentionally, perhaps not) outwardly behaving in a way that's indistinguishable from someone who repeats things that are verifiably untrue knowing that the vast majority of anyone looking on won't actually go on to verify things for themselves.
The edit you link to above is the one put in place as a response to a no-consensus deadlock. It neither takes a side in favor of Fyrael's preferred version, nor does it take the side of my preferred version. As far as disambiguation pages go, it's a completely antiseptic rundown that almost could have been generated by a machine.
Your decision to take things on to push in an already contentious situation is not cool, and mischaracterizing the events involved in that situation is *extremely* uncool. Don't do shit like that. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 19:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
The only mischaracterization and "uncool" shit going down is by one party alone (and it's not me). olderwiser 19:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Let's do this: if you're not mischaracterizing my position here, how about you lay it out for me? Surely if you've got it right, then there will be no dispute from me about it, and if it matches the image you've been trying to pass off here, then it will be obvious, right? Don't worry about why it's flawed. Let's just make sure we're all operating in a shared reality.
So what is my actual position here? -- C. A. Russell (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
(ec) For the avoidance of doubt, I think that there is no primary topic and that Amazon should remain a disambiguation page. Of the three main meanings I identified, the tribe (Amazons) has the fewest page views. Certes (talk) 20:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 April 2018[edit]

about cock[edit]

'Not mentioned in the article' what do you mean by that?

it is a well known fact that BBC means Big black cock, go to any porn site if you don't believe me. --Spafky (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages are not glossaries of slang usage. They are intended solely to assist readers in navigating to article content that may be ambiguously titled. If there is no content in Wikipedia that supports the claimed usage, the entry doesn't merit mentioning on the disambiguation page. olderwiser 18:41, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

OS revert[edit]

Just curious, why were my changes for OS disambig reverted? TiMike (talk) 23:37, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

In many cases your edits added extra links unnecessary for disambiguation. In other cases unnecessarily piped linked to avoid using perfectly acceptable redirects. Finally you changed intentional links to disambiguation pages to direct links. olderwiser 00:53, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

The MMA fight between Shogun Rua and Dan Henderson at UFC 139 was called the Fight of the Century by many media outlets[edit]

The MMA fight between Shogun Rua and Dan Henderson at UFC 139 was called the Fight of the Century by many media outlets — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

There's no indication of this in the article. olderwiser 12:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years![edit]

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 May 2018[edit]

Queen Adelaide[edit]

Hi! What's the correct procedure for getting Queen Adelaide to redirect to Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen? Surtsicna (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Surtsicna, you'd need to request to move Queen Adelaide to Queen Adelaide (disambiguation). As the rationale for the move, you'd need to make the case that this term qualifies as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. olderwiser 16:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 May 2018[edit]

Removing redlink-enties[edit]

Hi! You have undone my edits on the GSN (disambiguation) disambiguation page twice, within minutes after the information was added. I think this is a bit uncalled for, especially after I explicitly stated that the article in question has been submitted for review. According to the Wikipedia:Red link article, a "red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article". (talk) 10:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Redlink-only and unlinked entries violate WP:disambiguation guidelines. If your sub-stub draft is ever accepted, the link can be added. In the meantime, I've added entry with link to an article that supports the usage. olderwiser 10:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. Thanks! (talk) 11:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018[edit]

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Chris Davis[edit]

Thank you for pointing out my mistake [1]. I didn't know about WP:DABMENTION, now I know. Regards. Cynko (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 June 2018[edit]

GA nomination[edit]


I recently nominated Steve Smith (cricketer) as good article candidate (someone is yet to start a review). It would be great if you can review and provide your comments on that. Thanks. Binod Basnet Talk 09:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Why you anyhow delete my stuff?[edit]

It's a widely known fact, and it belongs there Mxzbz (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

No, disambiguation pages are not guides to slang usage. The sole purpose is to help readers navigate to existing content on Wikipedia. olderwiser 12:01, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Slang on DABs[edit]

Hi BK. I was looking for a second opinion about slang on DABs and I see you've recently dealt with some! I thought breast would be an allowable exception to MOS:DABMENTION on hooter, much like boob (where it's the primary topic!) It seems so common to me, yet not something that would be explicitly stated and cited on the target page. Also, since those DABs are relatively short, I didn't think it would impede quick navigation. I also think this contrasts with Uranus, where I think that usage is more of a pun than a slang. Would you agree with that assessment? Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I just took action against the socks disrupting the above article. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jurijus Pacalovas. I also noticed that you semi'ed Program indefinitely. I agree the article should be protected, but "forever"? Other than your entries in the protection log between July 3 and 6, the last time it was protected was in 2009 for one day. I can't see how indefinite is justifiable. What about two weeks, which seems like more than enough? BTW, I also find it interesting that despite having been an administrator for six years, I still keep coming across administrators I've never heard of and who have probably never heard of me, either. It's good to meet you.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

User:Bbb23, Thanks for the note. No I hadn't meant to set it to indef. I thought I had changed it, but I guess not. I reset it now. olderwiser 18:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

About Gandaki[edit]

Hi, Bkonrad you canceled my redirect Gandaki to Gandaki Pradesh. You should know that Gandaki is now a province in Nepal, so in today's term Gandaki must be redirected to Gandaki Pradesh. The word "Pradesh" mean Province only. We mostly time not include word "Pradesh" with Province name: e.g. Karnali Pradesh and Karnali. __ 👤Raju💌 01:27, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Just being the name of a province does not necessarily make something the primary topic for a term. I'd suggest establishing consensus via a requested move. olderwiser 02:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Doe disambig page dispute[edit]

dont change pages , DOE is a 21st century culture read up on it. --Doegang231 (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)y0urat0ss3r

First off, do not add "Dank of England" to the Doe disambig page, especially when the page on "Dank of England" does not exist yet. You will have to create a draft page "Dank of England" and find reliable sources. Secondly, this very heading had to be changed because it constitutes a personal attack. Try and be constructive so that I don't have to alert admins. CommanderOzEvolved (talk) 09:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)