User talk:Molobo

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No insults, neonazis, devoted nationalists please.

Edit summaries; correct translation of quotes

Please provide more accurate edit summaries. In this edit, you indeed removed a POVish unsourced sentence, but you also added a lot of quotes which were discussed on Talk:Georg Forster at great length, but refused to comment, despite being asked to do so. By the way, the translation "cattle" is improper, as I showed on the talk page. If you want more sources about why Forster's view is not as important for the rise of anti-Polish sentiment as you make it, there is a book on "Polnische Wirtschaft" by Hubert Orlowski, ISBN 3-447-03877-2 (in German) and ISBN 83-900380-8-0 (in Polish) that shows the history of this national stereotype in lengthy detail. Kusma (討論) 00:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Pewien

Na jego RfC nie zaszkodzi z pewnoscia. Poza tym mediation moze? Zobacz tez Wikipedia:Civility.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 01:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Definition of Vandalism

You seem to need a definition of vandalism, as you labelled as "vandalism" something that clearly wasn't. I refer to this edit. Here is wiki's definition of Vandalism and what it isn't: Wikipedia:Vandalism#What_vandalism_is_not. I'd be happy to help with any other definitions you're unclear on. Thanks. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) File:UW Logo-secondary.gif 02:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Georg Forster

It is really unfair to do like you do. Me and Kusma know that this is a delicate question and we proposed a formulation on the talk page. As no one opposed the formulation for around one month we introduced that into the article. If you want to change the formulation, please voice your objections on the talk page, propose a alternative formulation there and after the common formulation is found we will be able to introduce it to the article. Still, the aim of the work is not to cover facts, but to present them in a fair, encyclopedic manner. alx-pl D 12:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Now, it's better, we can reasonably present arguments in favour or to the contrary. :-) alx-pl D 19:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I hate the language that killed Gabriel Narutowicz, and please don't recall me anymore his case, the case of Stefan Żeromski, and more recent case of Czesław Miłosz. alx-pl D 21:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Learn history then. alx-pl D 21:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

"cynik, sybaryta, obżarcioch i pijak" - you really have to learn Polish history, as you seem to forget about it digging into the history of Germany. alx-pl D 22:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

That was my pointer to a particular part of the Polish history. If you insist on missing that I can't help you. alx-pl D 22:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

You seem to know more about my beliefs than I do. This is a privilege of the Holy Spirit. I, a poor, error prone human being, cannot help you. alx-pl D 22:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't want your comments on my talk page anymore. You really use the language that was used in nationalist Polish newspapers right before the assasination of Gabriel Narutowicz, after the publishing of Przedwiośnie by Stefan Żeromski and between the death and the funeral of Czesław Miłosz. I'm fed up with that, at least for today. alx-pl D 22:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I did sleep bad last night. alx-pl D 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

3rr warning

You're skating on thin ice re WP:3RR; see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Molobo. This is your warning. Also, labelling content disputes as vandalism [1] is Poor Form. William M. Connolley 16:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC).

Voting

You might want to know that there was a voting started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geography_of_Poland#Vote. Halibutt 00:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits

Please don't mark edits such as [2] that are part of a content dispute as minor, see Wikipedia:Minor edit. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 01:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Uwazaj na przypisy

Can you go back over this edit and restore the references you deleted? You need to be careful with that.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Molobo. Hi, I added and adapted a bit more of what I thought would be a npov wording. The wording of your revision struck me as a bit too definitive and aggressive. We cannot know Bismarck's psychology exactly and "eradication" of Polish culture is too strong in English (even though the effects were substantial). Remember that I defended you in the RfC when many of the German editors were critical about your approach on this article. I think the main points are covered, but you are right the Polish section could be expanded -- but with more specific examples and not vague condemning language. But I would certainly willing to help you phrase any other additions so we don't respark that controversy. Best, Tfine80 00:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not defending Bismarck. I simply believe that from a historian's perspective, we cannot use one comment from a different context as the definitive motivation behind the entire Kulturkampf in Poland. It has a complicated historical impetus, and Bismarck's psychology is also complicated. While not a great guy necessarily, I'm not sure he literally wanted to exterminate the Poles as Hitler seemed to with the Jews. And even if you believe this quotation is important and supports this view, it cannot be phrased as a simple fact because of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. However, this is more of a subject for his biography anyway. Here we need to do more to document specific incidents of anti-Polish actions that can be construed as part of the Kulturkampf. Find data on the number of churches affected, anti-Polish elements in Kulturkampf decrees, etc. Tfine80 01:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Joke translation

I added it later to the talk page. Here it is anyway:

Two bored hooligans sitting next to each other. "Hey, Ivan, there's nothing to do; I'm really bored" - " Yeah, O.K. then you see those two guys comming this way? I don't like their looks. So lets kick their asses" - "Uh, what if they'll kick our asses instead?" - "Why would they want to?"

By the way, I have already expressed the opinion against the term Russophobia, but our Russian friends seem to like it (just as you liked Polonophobia title, as I saw from the renaming discussion). My opinion is the article title should be neutral: Anti-Russian sentiment, see e.g. other titles in category:Anti-national sentiment. I think there should be a separate, neutral article, which in a balanced way describes the history of Polish-Russian relations, both negative and positive aspects, but I don't really care. (BTW, it seems that Putin likes Poland now. Is it so?) mikka (t) 20:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Molobo, please use edit summaries, use descriptive rather than emotional section titles (including at talk pages) and do not paste stuff that belong to narrow articles in broader ones. I explained at talk:History of PL why it is a bad idea and outlined the possibilities opened my such practice. I hope my suggestions will be taken into account. --Irpen 21:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Lodz liberation

Wiesz, ja naprawde nie widze nic zlego w tym zdjeciu z opisem I. W koncu Polacy witali Armie Czerwona jako wyzwolicieli - niewielu przypuszczalo, ze wpadli 'z deszczu pod rynne'. No i zreszta na ich miejscu pewnie tez bym sie cieszyl, nawet gdyby Nazistow wykopywaly diably z piekla rodem pewnie bym krzyczal 'Wiwat diably' :D --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Tiaa... Polecam Czerwoną zarazę Ziutka Szczepańskiego.. Halibutt 22:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

History of Poland

The revert war makes me quite sad, especially that both main participants seem to have quite some knowledge on the matter, but got completely blind to what the other guy says. This has gotten out of control. Seing the revert war raging on, I proposed Irpen a way to settle the dispute in a civilized way. Here are the basic steps I propose:

1. We revert the article to some pre-revert-war version (Piotrus' version of Feb. 1 seems a fine choice)
2. Then all of the people involved refrain from editing the article on their own. We could even block the article for some time. There were enough reverts there today to ask some admin to revert at random and block the article anyway, so I believe such a solution is in accordance with the rules.
3. We add the {{maintained| {{user4|Irpen}}<br>{{user4|Halibutt}}<br>{{user4|Piotrus}}<br>{{user4|Molobo}}<br>{{user4|whomever}}}} tag to the talk page, just in case anybody wondered
4. We prepare a list of issues at the talk page or some temporary sub-page of the article (I could do the basic formatting). Ideally such a list would be broken down onto separate sections: one for a mere list of issues (numbered) that all parties believe should be mentioned in the part in question; one for the various wordings during the revert war, one for discussion on various issues raised, their sources and so on; and one for the proposed compromise wording.
5. After a compromise is reached on each of the sections, we apply the changes to the main article on a case by case basis.
6. Then we ask for peer review of the article and move along to other issues.

What do you say? Halibutt 22:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Fine, since we (me, Irpen, Molobo and Piotrus) agreed for my solution, I'm starting the formatting of the talk page right away. Please refrain from editing the article at the moment, ok? Halibutt 22:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

History

Daj mi trochę czasu zanim wypisze cały protokół rozbieżności, ok? Trochę mi przeszkadza że wstawiasz komentarze gdzie bądź. Poczekasz chwilę? Halibutt 23:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Kopernik

Thanks for the informative text. I am trying to use exactly that line of argument: that Kopernik was Polish by citizenship (and his ethnicity is irrelevant). As to the people who try to call him a European, I wonder, is that going to make him the first European on Wikipedia? I have never seen anyone described as a European in a Wikipedia biography article. Balcer 00:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Kepler

Hi,

I'm replying to your asking about the Kepler mission. (Yes, I have an account but am usually too lazy or something to actually log in, so you see just my IP most of the time.) Anyway, I saw the report from this news article here: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0602/06nasabudget/

Hope that clears things up! --BGManofID

Well I checked NASA's budget proposal for 2007 and it listed Kepler as being launched in June 2008. --Molobo 13:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... if that's true, I'd certainly welcome the news, although I did see this:

To help make up a projected $3 billion to $5 billion shortfall in the shuttle budget between now and 2010, NASA plans to limit the growth of the space science budget to just 1.8 percent in 2007 and 1 percent per year thereafter. Doing so will defer the development of several major unmanned projects, including one to search for planets around other stars and another to detect Earth-like extra-solar worlds.

Perhaps they just chopped the Extrasolar Planet Finder? --BGManofID

The cancelled or delayed de facto anything of value sadly TPF,SOFIA,SIM,Keck , but Kepler was in its deployment stage so it got the funding needed to launch. --Molobo 13:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

the last remaining part of independent part of Poland

<<Mobolo your mom's "the last remaining part of independent part of Poland">> was a joke. To add "the last remaining part of independent part of Poland" is first and foremost nonsense. I haven't insulted you. You just can not call me a "vandal" for that. <<rv vandal that uses insults>> is what you said adding the nonsense back in.[[3]] The Free City of Kraków was controlled by its three neighbors, Russia, Prussia and Austria until 1846. Your summary of the city is not NPOV.--Showcase 22:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Showcase, you use "yo' mama" comments like some stupid hood and you're surprised when people get insulted. Grow up and try to be more like Joe. Space Cadet 22:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)