Talk:Frances Hugle

education section

The section, Education and Teaching, which I added is a modified version of text that I previously wrote for this article. It was modified to provide additional detail about her U. of Ch. degrees and to remove other details until I obtain further documentation.

A copy of Fran's transcript can be found here: https://docs.google.com/file/d/1LxvVDu2COQ2kaizPaWLBqeeKJqbdk9ww7ENoKNckjcOHGZtPUVBLr_bLAYfu/edit

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle

(in general on Wikipedia, new sections go to the end - when you click the "new section"tab, thats where it goes)

Wikipedia articles must only be based on reliable sources: essentially content that has been previously published. The above link is not a valid source for two reasons. 1) Primary sources are frowned upon (although in cases where the authenticity is guaranteed, they can be used for limited purposes; 2) and something posted on the web by who-knows-who is certainly not a reliable source, and the authenticity of the document can not be assured. -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

status of article

Removed article. Too much objection to important (and verifiable) facts being shared regarding the life and contributions of Frances Hugle.

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle

I have reintroduced the section "Profesiional career" after making substantial deletions. The original version can be read in the article histories.

References for this section will be included shortly. I understand there is an 'add section'? button but I did not see it so I placed it last as I was told was protocol? for 'new' sections.

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 16:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle

I should have been clearer, it is for new sections on the talk page. Within the article sections can be organized and added where ever they make the most sense. Depending upon your interface, there are tabs across the top "Article" "Talk" "Edit this Page" "New Section" "History". The "New Section" will open up a new section for segregating a new discussion topic, and will place it at the bottom of the page. Talk pages generally read oldest at the top, to most recent at the bottom. -- The Red Pen of Doom 16:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

This article has been gutted due to repeated hostile atttacks by Lhugle. Please see article history to read the complete original article.

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9172012

Please verify: "42 patent applications"

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 01:13, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9162012

There are 3 sections dealing with patents and inventions. The first cites a few momentous breakthroughs including the first IC and microprocessor patent filings.

The second lists those patents available online and gives links for them.

The third is the more complete list of patents supplied by Lhugle. I will try to format this list better and if links can be found, add those for which links exist to the previous section.

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 21:10, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9162012

I see that my comments have been removed so I am adding them again here. These comments are in reply to the points stated below.

Reply to Lhugle 1.:

Then there exists a conflict in the written record. Since this article is about Frances, I think it makes sense to defer to her resume. Especially since she claims sole fouder status and William only claims early association and thus cofounder status.

I have used a direct quote in the article from the resume of Frances in which she claims founding the company. She also makes substantial claims regarding her accomplishments not possible within the 2 month timeframe during which Bill Hugle claims employment with her.

In reply to Lhugle 2.:

I have already supplied this info in the article so I clearly am not in disagreement with these statements. If your point is spelling, I have already stated I have no argument with you. Whatever spelling has been commonly used seemed best, but of course I defer to appropriate convention.

In reply to 3.:

Receiving a contract for work certainly does not preclude later (or even contemporaneous) employment. Frances clearly states she worked for Standard Electronics Corp and gives the exact dates in her resume.

And during Frances's employment with Standard Electronics Corp she was cleared for secret work, as she also states on her resume. Standard Electronics Corp, was engaged in military research. I also have project papers showing Frances was involved in military work while at Baldwin. Possibly you should read Hoefler's statement about Baldwin as you seem unaware of their military contract work, a substantial part being in partnership with Boeing. Baldwin's military work was a well known fact within the semiconductor industry.

I have no record that Stuart was purchased by Baldwin. Please make these available. But, that still does not preclude the manner in which employment was initially obtained per conversation with John Jordan, Vice Chairman of Baldwin. That the Hugles may have sought to recoup their investments by selling their equipment once employed at Baldwin would not be unusual.

Finally, I am certainly not contaminating this history! This incredibly important piece of history has only begun to be told. My purpose has been to investigate the work of Frances and make it available to others so that they might have a more complete understanding of the history of the chip. I had no other purpose in writing this article.

Also, as I am sure you recall, I requested scans of Bill's resumes (5 years ago) and you twice failed to send them. Yet, if Frances and Bill are in disagreement, I prefer to defer to Frances' written record as Bill's history of spreading disinfo is almost legendary.

Finally, you are the one contaminating (spinning) history with absurd claims about Frances' death bed gymnastics and other completely absurd interpretations of the record.

Reply to 4.

Goal Credit held a mortgage, that is not exactly the same as venture (investment) money.

Reply to 5.

For this reason I stated that it was a partial list of patents. I am happy to see a more complete list. But this is the work of Frances, not William, his role was considered by Frances to be supportive. Following Baldwin, as previously discussed, she had a change of heart and stops crediting him with her work.

Finally, if you would please stop accusing me of the very crimes you have committed here, it would be very much appreciated.

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9162012

The above corrections should be made. Lhugle (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I am unable to devote sufficient time to all of the issues with this bio but will offer verification of the following:

1. Hyco Ames Co., 6542 Stony Island, Chicago: William Hugle's 1951 resume reads: Hyco Ames Co, Dates of employment: Sept-Oct 1948. "Hyco-Ames Co. was organized in partnership with two others including my wife, Frances Hugle, a chemist. Took part in a crystal development program particularly directed towards star sapphire and ruby. Company was dissolved when Stuart Laboratories Inc. was formed." This is confirmed in a later resume where Hyco Ames research is outlined in more detail.

2. John G. (Steve) Broady: Numerous available resources verifying his prominent work as a New York attorney. See census records, New York Times archives, other sources. Broady represented John Jacob Astor III, Winston Churchill's children, Buick, Joan Crawford, Clendenin Ryan and numerous others. His firm represented Alger Hiss. He also had a private investigation firm and was convicted of wiretapping in the 1950s.

3. Standard Electronic Research Corporation contracted with Stuart Laboratories (later Stuart Industries and Stuart Enterprises), which maintained its office in North Bergen, NJ. I have a copy of the contract, signed by John Broady. Stuart Industries maintained ownership of the plant and equipment. SERC documents show the No. Bergen plant and specifically identify the Hugles as continuing their work in crystal growth. As late as December 1952, correspondence continues to show Stuart Industries as an intact entity with offers to other manufacturers to purchase it, something Baldwin did shortly thereafter. Crystals were produced for many buyers, including those in the defense industries. Your desire to create a history showing military or CIA collusion in Frances' death contaminates the history.

4. Start-up funding for Stuart Laboratories: In October 1948, John G. (Steve) Broady invested $7,000 in Stuart Labs. Goal Credit Corporation of New York held an additional $20,000 mortgage on the equipment, evidenced by a letter from them dated October 6, 1952.

5. Frances Hugle's patents: Your list is incomplete. The following patents were applied for and eighteen were issued:

29 March, 1956 01 Aug, 1961 2,994,621 Semi-Conductive Films and Methods of Producing Them (w/Wm. Hugle) 29 March, 1956 28 Dec, 1965 3,226,271 Semi-Conductive Films and Methods of Producing Them (w/Wm. Hugle) 05 April, 1957 19 Dec, 1961 3,013,956 Methods of Etching Metals in the Platinum Group and Producing Printed Circuits Therefrom (w/ Wm. Hugle) 05 Feb, 1959 08 June, 1965 3,187,414 Method of Producing a Photocell Assembly (w/Wm. Hugle) 25 July, 1961 A Cheap Planar CBTL Block for Low Frequency (<100 KC) Operation 21 Jan, 1963 12 Jan, 1965 3,165,430 Method of Ultra-fine Semiconductor Manufacture 08 April, 1963 28 June, 1966 3,258,359 Semiconductor Etch and Oxidation Process 22 April, 1963 27 June, 1967 3,328,214 Process for Manufacturing Horizontal Transistor Structure 22 April, 1963 12 April, 1966 3,246,214 Horizontally Aligned Junction Transistor Structure 30 Sept, 1963 Appl. 312,385 Planar Double-Diffused Transistor Process 21 Sept, 1964 Have longhand version, letters to/from patent office Aluminum Ball Bonding 14 April, 1965 Have application, no filing number Ultra High Speed Logic Gates in Integrated Form Using Metal-Semiconductor Diodes (w/Jack Bamberg) 14 April, 1965 Have application, no filing number Method of Providing Dielectric Insulation for Integrated Circuits (w/Jack Bamberg) 14 April, 1965 Have application, no filing number Low Voltage Zener Diodes 14 April, 1965 Have application, no filing number A Radiation Resistant Field Effect Transistor 07 July, 1965 Have application, no filing number Semiconductor Photo-Latch Oct, 1967 3,344,555 20 June, 1966 02 Sept, 1969 3,465,213 Self-Compensating Structure for Limiting Base Drive Current in Transistors 22 June, 1966 22 April, 1969 3,440,027 Automated Packaging of Semiconductors (first TAB process) 10 Oct, 1966 02 Dec, 1969 3,481,801 Isolation Technique for Integrated Circuits 12 June, 1967 09 Sept, 1969 3,465,874 Carrier for Semiconductor Devices (w/Wm. Perrine) 15 June, 1967 02 Sept, 1969 3,465,150 Method of Aligning Semiconductors 19 July, 1967 06 April, 1971 3,574,007 Method of Manufacturing Improved MIS Transistor Arrays 24 July, 1967 06 April, 1971 3,574,014 Masking Technique for Selective Etching 13 May, 1968 22 Dec, 1970 3,549,232 Microscopic Alignment Mechanism (filed 11 days before she died) 04 Sept, 1968 16 Dec, 1969 3,484,621 Sequencing Mechanism Electronic Logic c. 1965 Paddle Glove (for surfing) -- have undated application copy Appl. 633,150 Formation of Semi-Conductive Crystals and Films -- have undated application copy Appl. 656,915 Capacitors, including Photo-Capacitors, Employing Semi-Conductors Appl. 791,400 Photocells and Method of Manufacturing Photocells

Additionally, the following patent applications were submitted by the Hugles while employed by Baldwin, docketed and of unknown outcome:

1955 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Mounting Means for Small Crystals 1956 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Crystal-Growing Process (Salt Melt) 1956 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Photoelectric Musical Instrument (Multiple Cells Responsive to Different Ranges) 1957 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Chemical Deposition Process (Cadmium Selenide) 1957 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Process for Producing Front-Surface Rhodium Mirrors 1958 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Method of Cutting Single-Crystal Phosphors (alkali Halides) 1958 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Method of Improving Time-Constant of Photocells 1958 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Electropiano (Tone Action Activation by Slow Photocells) 1958 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Temperature Control for Encoder (Cooling) 1958 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Photocell Assembly (Silicon, Photovoltaic) 1959 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Photocapacitor Employing Semi-Conductor 1959 As of 1959 --Unfiled but docketed; have abstract Wave Form Reproducer (Mirrors Scan)

The above corrections should be made. Lhugle (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Inventions

The list of topics includes the topic header ´Inventions´. I prefer the earlier version that used the words Noted and Notable because this section only highlights some of her major accomplishments. Frances had many more inventions than are covered in this section as can be seen from the partial list of her patents.

(Cheryl Hugle. I am sorry about the signing convention... I am using a Spanish keyboard with which I am unfamiliar and can´t find all the characters) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.172.56.3 (talk) 01:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, so  Done. David1217 ^{What I've done} 02:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I just undid the last edit by LHugle because it had too much editorial opinion such as the TAB invention was possibly Frances Hugle,s most important invention. For most people, the importance of the TAB invention pales next to her basic science discovery regarding the electronic properties of microscopic materials and her early patented design work on the IC and microprocessor

She also introduced several factual errors including Frances completed TAB as she lay dying in 1968. Actually, the TAB patent was filed in 1966. The LHugle edit also removed critical information about Frances career and its development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheryl Hugle (talk • contribs) 17:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

This article was twice intentionally falsified by LHugle to support a biography she is writing about her father. This is a situation of sabotage and I hope further vandalism by LHugle can be prevented. Proof that she knowingly falsified this article can be supplied. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 04:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9112012

Please keep focused on article content as supported by reliable sources and NOT slinging accusations at other editors. And note that no publisher is going to take what appears on Wikipedia as worth a hill of beans in any of their fact checking etc.-- The Red Pen of Doom 22:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for Wikipedia Assistance

To prevent an "edit war", intervention by a Wikipedia volunteer is required. The following issues need to be resolved: 1. Removal of information about children and grandchildren. Not relevant to the post and violates privacy of living persons. 2. Removal of unverifiable claims such as why the Hugles transferred to Westinghouse and alleged testing at Baldwin. 3. Discussion of individual items of contention (e.g. spelling of "Broady", resume accuracy and number of patents -- there were 18) without hostility and based on actual evidence. Lhugle (talk) 13:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

As you know, John Jordan and I worked together for a few years in the eighties. The story of how he met and decided to hire our parents was one he enjoyed telling me. Though not immediately verifiable by published record, it was included to provide critical context for understanding the relationships and dynamics within which Frances created/invented and moved about in her career. The patent record also may indicate a change of heart in that Frances stops giving William partial credit for her work post Baldwin. Nonetheless, he was able to have some of them assigned to him personally following her death.

In regard to 1.: If it is considered inappropriate to include the names of survivors, then by all means, this convention should be respected.

Further in regard to 2.: Your edit introduced a number of not only unverifiable statements but statements that are false:

1a. The TAB patent was filed in 1966. It was certainly not written in 1968 as she lay dying as you claim.

2a. Hyco Labs was founded by Frances. Not William and Frances.

3a. There is no record, of which I am aware, that anyone but Brody (or Broady) funded Stewart Labs. Though, it is very possible, given his clientel, that he was operating in early VC fashion.

4a. Your edit was inaccurate regarding career path. In March 1951, Frances (and Bill) went to work for Standard Electronics Research Corp. The Hugles did not go directly to Baldwin from Stewart. Standard Electronics Research Corp is important because it is the first mention of a security clearance. It also indicates the type of projects on which Frances was working even prior to her military work at Baldwin.

In regard to 3.: I have given the number of patents according to what I have been told by those who held them. I was not allowed to even make copies so that I could review them. I had to wait to be able to obtain them online... and, as you may have guessed, reviewing these patents during homelessness and without a computer has not been easy.

If you know there were 18 patents, and you can cite them, that would be very much appreciated. As to arguments over spelling, I really have none. I used the spelling I found in newspapers. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 14:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9122012

I am not sure that including some background on the creation of this article is appropriate here or not. If not, please delete:

This article was written and first submitted during a time when I had reliable access to a computer. But after submitting this article and over a week before it was finally accepted, the mother board on the computer I was using failed permanently. I had planned to continue cleaning it up and adding content (especially in regard to the research Frances did in the forties and how it paralleled the reduction to practice of the transistor... Interesting on this note is that the University of Chicago, like Bell Labs, was one of the research centers where efforts to realize a working transistor model had been located.) once the article was accepted.

I am finally, as of a few days ago, able to be back online. Thank you to everyone who is contributing. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle 9122012

Explanation for Labels?

"An editor has expressed a concern that this articrole lends undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, controversies or matters relative to the article subject as a whole. Please help to create a more balanced presentation. Discuss and resolve this issue before removing this message."

Please explain this. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle

The enyclopedic value of lists of patents supported only by primary sources indicating their existance seems entirely non-encyclopedic. Why would we include such a list? -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)