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Aahil Raza Ibrahim=[edit]

I have again opened the article Aahil Raza Ibrahim as now it has been improved and provided reliable references from newspapers User:Rishika.dhanawade — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishika.dhanawade (talkcontribs)

link deletion reasoning[edit]

Back in 2013 you deleted several external links from the Sutro Baths page...

One of those links was to this pages:

This is a site I maintain. This page contains more Sutro Baths historical photographs than you will find anywhere, many from my own collection. There are no ads or malicious content. The national park service links to my website for historical information. What was the purpose of your deletion?

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Stop removing information[edit]

Stop removing information from the Mahabharat (2013 TV series) Wikipedia page. There was a source present. If you do it again you will be reported! ( (talk) 10:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC))

let me In[edit]

Please let me in to edit highest grossing Indian movies actually I'm posting imformation as per internet imformation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ak-Akhil (talkcontribs)

@Ak-Akhil: when you make major changes to the article as you did [1] under the misleading edit summary "fixed typo", people are unlikely to believe other claims that you make. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Baahubali box office[edit]

why are you including Baahubali in the list of highest grossing Tamil films you are saying it as a bilingual then why are you including Telugu version box office collections in the list of Tamil movies. Entire Tamil version from India and the rest of the world grossed only 55 crores out of 401 crores and the rest 355 crores is from Telugu version alone (235 crores) including Hindi and Malayalam (120 crores) dubbed versions itself. So you should remove it from Tamil list. All the official trade sources rentrak india , taran adarsh, trinath, ramesh laus ( Tamil trade analyst) said Tamil version from entire world grossed 55 crores in 15 days, sreedar pillai said the total box office collections - padukati raju — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padukati raju (talkcontribs)

@Padukati raju: We are including it in Tamil and Telugu because it is a bilingual film made in Tamil and Telugu. Pretty simple. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

iam asking one thing why are you adding Telugu version in Tamil list you are mentioning it is bilingual then Tamil list should have only Tamil version box office why are you including Telugu version in it. it is not a dubbed movie so both languages should have their own collections each. No movie in the world will be listed in two languages of highest grossing films. Also it is primarily a Telugu movie which has no Tamil connect to it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Padukati raju (talkcontribs)

iam asking one thing why are you adding Telugu version in Tamil list you are mentioning it is bilingual then Tamil list should have only Tamil version box office why are you including Telugu version in it. it is not a dubbed movie so both languages should have their own collections each. No movie in the world will be listed in two languages of highest grossing films. Also it is primarily a Telugu movie which has no Tamil connect to it. - padukati raju — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padukati raju (talkcontribs)

@Padukati raju:You have been told multiple times. The reliable sources clearly indicate that it is a bilingual film shot in both Tamil and Telugu. We will follow the reliable sources and present it as a bilingual film shot in Tamil and Telugu. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:41, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

change of position of highest grossing lists[edit]

I request you to place highest grossing Telugu movies list after Hindi movies list. - padukati raju — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padukati raju (talkcontribs)

It is after Hindi and after Tamil as the languages are listed in alphabetical order. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

No no Telugu movie grossed highest after the Hindi industry. so change according to that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Padukati raju (talkcontribs)

make a request on the talk page to see if there is consensus for order by highest gross rather than by alpha. I strongly doubt it. (and please learn to sign your posts appropriately) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


You are making edits to an article while there is an on-going discussion on the talk page and no consensus has been reach. Nyth63 01:27, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. Please do not remove sourced information from the subject article while the discussing is still on-going.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyth83 (talkcontribs)

Baahubali is a Telugu movie[edit]

To the person who is saying it is bilingual, who dubbed the voice of telugu hero prabhas in the tamil dubbed version. You will be surprised to know it was Tamil actor Surya who DUBBED the voice for prabhas. Does this not make it a dubbed film. Never thought Tamils will stoop to this level of taking credit for someone else film. A film is decided on which industry produced it. It is Telugu film industry which produced and presented the film.I can quote several references from leading news agencies. Forbes,Guardian,BBC, CNN to name a few here. Admins have to interfere in this matter as wrong information is being spread in wikipedia.

Here is the trusted Guardian Site, where it states it is a Telugu film dubbed into Tamil (Actually it is also made in Tamil to evade Tax from Tamil Nadu). People please give due credit to Telugu and stop being cheap and taking the credit for the work that has nothing to do with Tamil

Also they are including Telugu version collections in Tamil version which didn't even gross 50 crores from entire India and rest of the world in Tamil version and mentioning it is bilingual. I never thought Tamil will stoop to this level of taking credit for someone else film.

First time i'm seeing a movie which even didn't gross one-third Rs 50 crore(15%) of total collections in its original Tamil version is included in the list of Rs 401 crores gross that too by cheating and fooling people by including Rs 350 crores gross of Telugu version in Tamil version. -Padukati Raju

It is indeed bilingual per the multiple reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu.
Please stop ranting on my talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Fun stuff, eh? Of course, all the redirects like here are now broken. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


You can't undo the edit of another Wikipedia user just because you don't personally like it or think it's unnecessary. The article does not belong to a single person. If you want to discuss the matter, I encourage you to do it in the discussion section of the respective article. Otherwise, it will be considered vandalism.-- (talk) 00:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I see you're vandalising other Wikipedia pages as well. STOP IT NOW! ( (talk) 11:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC))

Obligatory note[edit]

Mind WP:3RR on Mahabharat (2013 TV series) please. --NeilN talk to me 11:27, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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message from Slmnkh[edit]

Why you are block my editing. I am not violation. I put right thing. Bollywood movies is different from all indian movies. List of Highest Grossing Indian Movie Include all languages movies. I made only hindi language movies. Your are not give justfied reason to me to block my editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slmnkh (talkcontribs) 09:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@Slmnkh: Please read the multiple notes on your talk page. They explain why your edits are inappropriate and have been and will continue to be reverted. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

nett gross[edit]

Hey Red, do you have any idea what statements like "nett gross" mean in the context of Indian cinema? I know what a net total is, I know what a gross total is, so naturally you'd understand why, when I see Nett Gross at Dhoom, I might be confused. Appreciate any help you can provide. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: nope, i have no idea. It is probably something to do with the very complicated method of financing and money shuffling that happens in Indian cinema with money flowing back and forth between the producers, distributors and cinema owner's and distributors shares, and actors paying back cinema houses when their films flop.... I think it is generally deliberately obtuse to facilitate cronyism and tax avoision. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Holy crap, you mean there is an accounting scheme even worse than Hollywood accounting? —Strongjam (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, Hollywood's great. "What's the budget?" "$100 million" "What's the gross?" "$150 million" "Oh great, so we made a profit?" "Not even close, bub." Hey Red, do you suppose when the gross values for Bollywood films are being tallied they take into consideration all of the salaries of all the sockpuppets whose job it is to fudge gross values? Boy, that's a head-scratcher... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Upcoming Series on Zee Zindagi[edit]

The same template is used for all List of programs broadcast by networks.

I can give more examples, but you get the picture. I agree that we are not promotional platform but some of the listed programs have citations and proper references associated with them. Why do you feel the need to have to delete the entire section?I am following a template that is followed by other wiki pages. Why should Zee Zindagi not have to display upcoming series? I would suggest that you look at other pages on the wikipedia to see if there are other pages with the same format. I had specifically commented in the edits that I had followed the templates of List_of_programs_broadcast_by_CBS#Upcoming_series and List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Fox#Upcoming_series as reference. I am going to edit the "Upcoming Series" and put them back again. Manoflogan (talk) 23:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)ManOfLogan

Now there is not so much inappropriate crap. But you could have cleaned it up yourself. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

One more thing, please stop removing "Future Section" from all the wikipages that I have listed of all the sections in my example. It is not promotional material (to use your word, "crap"), if it is cited with appropriate and reliable references. I have no intention of reverting all those changes yet. Some of those changes have already been reverted. I personally find it strange that you are the only wiki editor/admin who goes and removes the entire section, even when there are citations. I would also suggest that you go and read the comments of the discussion WP:Articles_for_deletion/Lists_of_programs_broadcast_by_networks. Many of the reasons that were cited is that these represent an index of what the networks is doing right, has done in the past, or what it plans to do, as long as it is backed by valid references. This is the exactly what an online encylopedia does. Manoflogan (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)ManOfLogan

AfD are only to determine whether or not the topic meets the requirements for a stand alone article. It in no way shape or form validates what content happens to have been inappropriately added to the article many years later. and, no, "It has a source!" is not a magic chant that mandates inclusion of content Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability_does_not_guarantee_inclusion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The key phrase " Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article". From the edit logs of Zee Zindagi, you are the only user who thinks that references to future programming ought to be removed. Where is the consensus if the decision to delete is made by one person? In my opinion, you are making the arbitrary decision that "Upcoming programming" is promotional content. Every one does not seem to question the existence of the section. Deleting without getting community feedback is not a correct decision. You can add a infobox to the wikipage like it is done on other pages, but arbitrarily deleting sections is not the right approach. Manoflogan (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)ManOfLogan

consensus is not determined by votes, but by policy backing. I have multiply policies WP:CRYSTAL / WP:UNDUE / WP:NOTADVERT just to name the biggies. What policies is your position based on? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Regarding WP:CRYSTAL - It does not apply if there are valid references to the entries that something is about to happen. I provided examples in my previous comment. Regarding WP:UNDUE, we are a digital encyclopedia, what aspect of "list of programs broadcast by network XXX" gives undue preference to any entry? What exactly is your criteria of a list shows the programs broadcast by a network? There is no such preference applied to other wiki pages. I want to know if this is your subjective criteria that you think is applicable here? If yes, why is that? I don't see other editors applying the same criteria on other pages. Why should you apply the same? Regarding WP:NOTADVERT, how is this advertising if we are simply listing the list of programs previously and currently broadcast and about to be broadcast by the network? Relevant and correct citations. Advertising represents a narrative from a subjective point of view. We have listed valid references of the same. There are verifiable and citable. That DOES not make them subjective. You are the only editor who seems to object on any of these points. You remove all the entries that I have made because they are non notable. What is your criteria about them being "non-notable"? This is not a theory that has been disproved by critics such as "Global Warming". This is list of shows that are being broadcast by the network and have been mentioned with proper citations. You may challenge the references and I will prove that they are attributable. You should have no authority to remove the entries on the grounds of notability. Manoflogan (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2015 (UTC)ManOfLogan
For the record, I don't particularly have a problem with the upcoming section provided that it is amply sourced. This is fairly standard in TV network articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:05, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Notification of Arbitration Enforcement request[edit]

Hey, TheRedPenOfDoom, I've filed a request for enforcement of discretionary sanctions at AE involving the dispute at Race and Genetics that involved you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wajajad (talkcontribs) 00:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC suggestion[edit]

Hello TRPoD,

What do you think of a group of advisors that take on issues that face the project and work to discuss and provide proposals to solve them? They should work independently of ArbCom and be made up of editors the community chooses. They should be sensible, and be able to cut out bloviation and disruption, and monitor discussions to ensure that consensus is reached. Thoughts? --ceradon (talkedits) 01:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ceradon: I think that is closer - I think "moderators and facilitators who have experience in guiding large, fractious groups towards agreement" . Either third party or WMF hires some professionals to develop a Creative Commons licensed mediation training certification - and facilitators/advisors would be drawn from people who complete the certification. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I am indefatigable in my belief that consensus is not nearly as peachy a picture as some believe. I definitely do not believe it should be done away with completely, but I believe that something must improve. Your proposal is interesting. But, I fear that it would gain larger acceptance if we could the community is allowed more input as to who is the "adviser/facilitator". Perhaps, a few amiable editors are selected and then more people mentored by them later? --ceradon (talkedits) 03:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Night of Knives[edit]


You added a template to the Night of Knives page saying that the plot summary of the article is too long. Can you explain why? I was thinking that it might be too short (it definitely isn't complete).


Ciridae (talk) 09:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom: Thanks for the update. Yes, the article currently is almost only the plot summary. But I think I'll add further sections and improve the entire article rather than reducing the plot summary length. -Ciridae (talk) 05:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Noelle Reno[edit]

You should probably take a look at WP:FULLNAME before reverting legitimate changes which meet the guidelines. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

If one is going to preach about following following policy, one should follow the full policy. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Pseudonyms.2C_stage_names_and_common_names. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
When you reverted you clearly didn't spot "care must be taken to avoid implying that a person who does not generally use all their forenames or who uses a familiar form has actually changed their name". The fact she uses her middle name is patently obvious from the article title - we don't assume our readers are morons. It's therefore unnecessary to point it out. "It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name." This is all too common, unfortunately. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Necrothesp Does the addition meet WP:BLPPRIVACY, i.e. sourced and widely published? Not being a smart-ass--it is a legitimate question. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Since her full name was already included in the article (just in the wrong place), it's not particularly relevant in this instance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I will seek out other sources so that I do not have a conflict of interest. I appreciate your civility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

highest grossing films list talk page[edit]

In highest grossing list talk page i have mentioned support but no one is responding. Support for Telugu was more than that of support for telugu and tamil then why are u not changing n removing baahubali from the tamil list Padukati raju (talk) 06:04, 5 August 2015 (UTC)