Talk:Speciesism

Pronunciation

Do you think its OK to show the pronunciation of the word (for non-native readers like me?)--Irrational number (talk) 12:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Vegetarianism as Speciesism

Does anybody know what arguments anti-speciesists make regarding the fact that they consume plant species? Shouldn't they scavenge or starve instead of asserting their so-called superiority over plant species?71.82.81.234 (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Populizers

Many wrote on Speciesism, see Google/Google book, search "Speciesism" and the translations of the term in other world languages. Saying "The idea (Speciesism) was popularized by the Australian philosopher Peter Singer" is unacademic. Conditions should be added to the statment.SSZvH7N5n8 (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

Hello! I'm working on improving this article as part of a university course. I will be listing ideas and possible sources for citation before updating the article. Beaujayna (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaujayna (talk • contribs) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

In Pop Culture

Alec Baldwin and Pamela Anderson are two notables out of long list of vegan celebrities who remain passionate and out-spoken about animal rights and speciesism. Both Baldwin and Anderson are spokespersons for PETA, with Baldwin narrating the documentary Meet Your Meat which exposes the truth about the treatment of animals in factory farming. Anderson has been in several ads and campaigns for PETA, stating she has been involved in animal rights since starring in the television show Baywatch. Other public figures who are maintaining or have switched to a vegan lifestyle for reasons of compassion and/or health include Ellen DeGeneres, Ozzy Osbourne, Woody Harrelson and Bill Clinton. Beaujayna (talk) 21:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Expert Opinions

Having travelled extensively throughout the United States and Isreal delivering more than 2,300 lectures to over 60,000 people, Gary Yourofsky is an animal rights activist and the founder of the ethical vegan organization ADAPTT. Founded in 1996, "Animals Deserve Absolute Protection Today and Tomorrow (ADAPTT) believes that all animals have an inherent right to be free and live completely unfettered by human dominance. Sadly, most humans continue to embrace animal slavery, animal torture, and animal murder. Billions of animals are killed every year in a premeditated, systematic massacre. Remember, without universal equality, one type of equality will always create another type of inequality."

Aside from being a John Howard Harris Professor of Philosophy at Bucknell University, Dr. Gary Steiner is also the author of several books and an animal rights activist who is a strong believer in that animals have the same rights to life and freedom as we, as humans, do. In his 2012 interview with Kathryn Kopchik he states, "I don't see any morally relevant distinctions between different types of sentient beings, beings that can experience pleasure and pain, can have conscious awareness, beings for whom life matters. It's only on the basis of what some people call speciesism or anthropocentrism that we make such distinctions and privilege human beings. These speciesistic prejudices are comparable to the sorts of arbitrary hierarchies proclaimed by racists and sexists." Beaujayna (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Beaujayna, thanks for posting suggestions here. Bear in mind that this article isn't about animal rights or veganism. It's about speciesism -- the history, the philosophy, arguments for and against. Also, we can't write about it as though we are advocating one or another position. The writing ought to be disinterested, as far as possible. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Citation style

I propose we go back to the revision from October 15, 2012‎ with a consistent style formatted with templates that include DOIs, ISBNs, page numbers and improved biblographic data.  —Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 21:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The article already has a consistent reference style, so per CITEVAR I'd appreciate it if that would not be changed. In particular, Chris, as you (I assume) won't be working on the article, it makes no sense to impose a citation style on the editors who will be improving or expanding it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review

Beaujayna, I enjoyed the sections that you added under Pop Culture and Expert Opinions. There were no grammatical or spelling errors and the content was very interesting. There were many sources that were used which made the article credibility strong. There were also several links to other articles as well as references.

To improve the article I would suggest expanding more on the Pop Culture section, partly because I found it so interesting and wished there was more! There were also a few instances where your opinion may have come through but I think it was inevitable for such a controversial topic and for the argument that you were adding to.

Overall, your additions to the article were interesting and useful. Thanks :) Barrier Reefs (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Barrier, I hesitate to comment here, because I don't want to interfere with an assessment or be discouraging. On the other hand, there are serious neutrality (and relevance) issues with the edits. To what extent is neutrality one of the criteria you ask for? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi SlimVirgin, neutrality is a component that we were asked to comment on. For the purpose of this assignment, we just need to mention whether or not the information provided complied with Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Barrier Reefs (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'm afraid it doesn't (at all), and I would have reverted had it not been part of this assignment. I'm in an awkward position here because I don't want to affect a student's assessment, but on the other hand it's a problem watching non-neutral material being added. Would it make sense for Beaujayna to work on this on a user subpage (e.g. User:Beaujayna/Speciesism)? She could write a draft there without it going live immmediately, then we could add whatever was relevant and policy-compliant to this article when she's finished. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The peer-review assignment is over and has been completed so this shouldn't affect the student's grade. This overall assignment was more so to become familiar with wikipedia, research a topic and produce information for the public. I am sure Beaujayna will make a statement at some point also. Barrier Reefs (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. As the peer review is over, I've removed the material. I don't know whether the assignment continues beyond this point, but perhaps Beaujayna could work on a user subpage to start with. If she wants more information about why the edits were problematic, I'd be happy to explain in more detail. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Beaujayna, I am your second peer reviewer. I think that you have added valuable information to the page. I did not notice any grammatical errors. As far as the supposed neutrality issues are concerned, you could also include quotes or opinions from people who are in favor of speciesism (perhaps someone from a religious group/organization). Additionally I have undone the previous edit that removed your contribution from the article main page. P.S. Please do not let anyone's negative comments or edits discourage you, this is meant to be a learning experience so as long as you are learning from this assignment that is what matters. Great job!!!! Jemacleod (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, I have undone the edit you made to remove Beaujayna's contribution. While the peer review part of this assignment may be complete the overall assignment is not. We are meant to take into consideration the peer reviewer's comments and make further edits. It is understandable that you wouldn't know this as you are not a member of our university class. This assignment runs through our entire semester which does not end until December 15. It would be greatly appreciated if you could refrain from removing anymore of this student's hard work until that date as it WILL impact their grade. Please note that constructive comments are still welcomed if the purpose is to aid in the student's learning. Thank-you. Jemacleod (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)