Talk:List of American politicians of Armenian descent

What is a politician and clean-up

• Judges and military officials are NOT politicians. They are not elected by the public and are appointed to serve in a non-partisan role.
• Keep entries in ALPHABETICAL order by their last name!
• List entries only once under proper category. Do not list twice on list. Please list under most recognized category. For example if subject has been both mayor and governor, please list him once under governor's and mention in blurb he was a former mayor of what city.
• Keep blurbs short. Articles will discuss subject's notability.
• Consolidated government roles. Keep state senators together, mayors, with mayors, and so on. No need for specific cities as they are all mayors of American cities, Please list years of service after blurb in order not to confuse reader that this is their life span.
• Per Wikipedia guidelines for notability, all entries should have an article with references. There is no need to list Armenian ancestry for a specific entry (e.g. Armenian mother) when their Wikipedia article will discuss it. They wouldn't be on the list if they weren't Armenian, wouldn't they?
• Use of portraits of Glendale mayors is unnecessary. Glendale is NOT one of the top 50 largest cities in the U.S., therefore it's just a hamlet when compared to LA or New York. Save server space and do not make the list graphically enhanced unless you plan on adding a compressed portrait composite (see Canadians for example of a composite picture) to the article.

Please post any comments on this page only. Many thanks!--XLR8TION (talk) 17:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

CLEAN UP #2

• Judges and military officials are NOT politicians. They are not elected by the public and are appointed to serve in a non-partisan role.
• Keep entries in ALPHABETICAL (per the English language) order by their last name!
• DO NOT ADD wikilinks for non-existing articles!
• DO NOT ADD diplomats, judges, military officials as they are NOT ELECTED and serve NON-PARTISAN ROLES. Please create a new page for list of Diplomats, judges, and military personalities but NO ONE elects them as they are NOT politicians.
• Keep mayors in one field. Glendale is a small city and all mayors should be kept together as state representatives, senators, etc.
• Please create composite of personalities and STOP adding unnecessary gallery of Glendale's mayors. This is my second attempt to relay message to you. You created a composite on Puerto Ricans in the United States, therefore do the same here. Please provide feedback on this page.
• Please add any terms served after the blurb, not before in order to prevent confusion with life-spans. For example: John Doe, mayor of Smithville (1997-2000).

This is my second clean-up. If you have any feedback or require assistance with the English language and proper grammar and site guidelines, please discuss on this page.--XLR8TION (talk) 20:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Clean UP #3

I have reverted your unconstructive edits. Please see this points from past discussions:

• DO NOT ADD wikilinks for non-existing articles!

Furthermore, do NOT add multiple Wiki-links for the same subject. Redundancy is not welcomed in any article. ONLY DISCUSS ON THIS PAGE and NOT on my talk page. --XLR8TION (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

You gotta be kidding me, right? Where do you see multiple Wiki-links and wikilinks for non-existing articles. I did remove them and you still reverted to yor last version. Please take a look at the current version and tell me what's wrong with it.

P.S. what's the problem with writing on your talk page? And stop your racist comments such as "Do you understand English?". --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 23:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

All discussion on articles should be on the Article talk page! Their must be a history of conversation. My talk page is NOT for article discussion. RESPECT my TALK PAGE. Second, it's NOT racist to ask someone if they speak another language. It's apparent English is not your first, so please drop the racism label and stop with your ignorance.

It is racist to me and stop being aggressive. This is an encyclopedia and keep that in mind. Out of 7 billion people on our planet, as you may know, only about 400 million at most speak English natively and it's more than normal to speak another language. And it is your ignorance that have been shown here, not mine. Get your facts straight. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 23:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

REMEMBER:

• DO NOT ADD wikilinks for non-existing articles!
• DO NOT ADD multiple wikilinks for same topic! Redundancy is NOT productive.

Third, if entries on the list DO NOT have valid references they will be REMOVED. I will remove entries with NO references of their Armenian ancestry by this weekend. --XLR8TION (talk) 23:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Alright. I'll try to add reliable sources to each one of them today and tomorrow and then you can check the article on the weekend.--Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 23:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Defining 'politician'

Please take a look at Politician#Considered a politician. It clearly states that "Positions range from local offices to executive, legislative and judicial offices of state and national governments. Some law enforcement officers, such as sheriffs, are considered to be politicians."

THUS, all government officials, elected or not, including high-ranked military personnel, sheriffs, justices, are considered politicians.--Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 04:47, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN ELECTIONS in the United States for the election of Judges. Justices are NOT elected and have to serve in NON-PARTISAN roles. Do you know anything about the U.S. political system? DO NOT add them as they will BE REMOVED. Last I remember I don't recall an election for Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, or any other notable justice in the U.S. Please read the U.S. Constitution to understand the U.S. Political system. Once again, judges/justices enforce constitutional law and DO NOT introduce laws. The U.S. Constitution provides a system of "Checks and Balances" and electing a judge is unconstitutional.--XLR8TION (talk) 05:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

STOP WRITING LIKE THIS

WRITING THIS WAY DOES NOT prove your point.

Either give reasonable arguments or just leave. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:07, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I have freedom to write in any font or in Capitals. Apparently you are stubborn or not well-versed in politics and the use of caps will make it clear that JUDGES/JUSTICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, and MILITARY OFFICIALS are NOT POLITICIANS. --XLR8TION (talk) 05:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Again, my friend, calling me stubborn doesn't prove your point. And where does it say that politicians have to be elected to be considered as such? --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

DO NOT REVERT my edits. You are looking for an edit war you will lose. I have explained to you that justices are not politicians. Also this talk page has explained multiple points about NPOV, multiple wikilinks, redundant info, etc. Do not cause a edit war. This is advice to avoid conflict. If I do not respond in few minutes, it means I am busy. I don't live in front of a computer 24-7.--XLR8TION (talk) 05:24, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, your edit warring, my friend. No reasonable arguments have been brought by you to my question. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a final warning. Dialogue can last more than hour and will NOT be resolved tonight. Please stop reverting my edits and discuss or I will file grievance.--XLR8TION (talk) 05:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I have provided valid reasons (please see history above). Do not give me that weak excuse for reverting my changes. YOu HAVEN'T provided any valid reasons for your edits.--XLR8TION (talk) 05:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

If it has't reached you yet, again, please take a look at Politician#Considered a politician. It clearly states that "Positions range from local offices to executive, legislative and judicial offices of state and national governments. Some law enforcement officers, such as sheriffs, are considered to be politicians.". What is your argument to prove this wrong? The bold and capital letters? --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

• • Politicians work in POLITICS (notice "politics" in the word "Politicians". They determine legislation. A sheriff CAN NOT represent his district in local, state, or federal government. They are elected to in a non-partisan role and provide for the law enforcement in a region. --XLR8TION (talk) 05:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Just because you said it, doesn't make it right. --Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

• • You have been reported for Talk Page vandalism. I have warned you numerous times to ONLY discuss this discussion on THIS PAGE. Once again justices, military, and law enforcement are NOT politicians. They can't represent constituents in any level of legislative government. Why do you refuse to understand this?

Please read definition of politician. Stop reverting my constructive edits and vandalizing my Talk Page.--XLR8TION (talk) 05:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

And which part says that only eleced officials are considered politicians and since when is thefreedictionary a reliable source.--Երևանցի _{ասելիք կա՞} 05:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

XLR8TION: I don't know where you get your information, but I have been voting in the United States for 40 years and every county level election I have ever voted in have had both sheriff and judge races. They run ads in the paper, they debate, they go to meet and greet forums. They are, unambiguously politicians. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

• State or federal supreme or district court justices are not elected by the public.--XLR8TION (talk) 06:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
• Sheriffs are not politicians. Their job is to enforce county/state-related laws and they can't introduce legislation. While some sheriffs can be elected, they have to serve in a non-partisan role when serving in their role to assure public safety.--XLR8TION (talk) 06:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)