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A fact from Burial place of Genghis Khan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 October 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that according to Mongolian folklore, the escort that buried Genghis Khan committed suicide to make his grave impossible to find?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/October.

Wikipedia

Dab, as you have a google account, you may check this and this. We may add Ratchnevsky's book to references. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yes, well done! dab (ᛏ) 12:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Folklore

Um, how does the referenceless "folklore" explain the claims about the river diversion and the horses trampling when everyone involved or in contact with the funeral procession was supposed to have been killed or suicided? Bwithh 19:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it really doesn't. This is one of the problems with "folklore", "legends", and the like. It is true that this story is part of folklore. What is not evident is whether this folklore has any factual basis. If it does not, then it is debatable whether it is encyclopedic, as it is not verifiable. Rlquall 22:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The theory of relativity is not verifiable, either. Please consider prodding the article. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you know actually, it is very verifiable that the theory of relativity is an important theory[1]. And I never suggested prodding this article, so I'm not sure what's with that sarcastic comment Bwithh 10:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

these are two variants. (1) gallopping over the grave and (2) diverting a river over it. I have read (1) offwiki but not (2). Obviously both (1) and (2) should be sourced. As for "how can anyone even know" (apart from that it doesn't matter if it's logical as long as we can establish it is folklore), how about the funeral train telling beforehand what they were going to do? "goodbye, we'll go and bury the Khan in a secret place and then kill ourselves"? I see nothing impossible about such a scenario. dab (ᛏ) 08:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well okay thanks. I wondered if the there was an explanation in the folklore... didn't say that it was impossible Bwithh 10:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another poorly written garbagy article about Mongols with footnotes that lead to articles that don't even discuss what they are supposed to be proof of...... One day I'm going to actually make an account and rewrite all the Mongol articles because this is just sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.101.236 (talk) 06:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Khan Khan Genghis Khan killed by Multan Rana

Genghis Khan was killed by Rana Jashraj[[2]][[3]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Probably, not there looking for the tomb of Genghis Khan - that's it, and can not find. Very most likely, it is in other part of Eurasia. However, like most of the descendants of his own people, living now among the Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Tatars, Uighurs and other Turkic peoples, related to them. There are many data confirms this, for example: ""...Learning about the religious beliefs of the Tatar khan... Abu Bakr said: "Not to be circumcised and not to go to Hajj is not the obstacles in order to be a faithful and true monotheist. Agreeing with the necessary regulations of Islam, the Tatar Khan became a believer, he is our brother in faith! Go back to him, give him this letter and tell him our greetings. ... But having arrived in Kazan, Muaz learned that Chingiz Khan left for Astrakhan. Muaz is immediately went to Astrakhan. There he was informed that Chingiz Khan recently died and was buried (there)" (Evliya Celebi)"". (from the book "Forgotten Heritage of Tatars", by Galy Yenikeyev). See on Smashwords company website: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/175211 Antonio von Horde (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC) Antonio von Horde (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 Genghis Khan was killed by '''Rana Jashraj'''[[http://books.google.co.in/books?id=FuItAAAAMAAJ&q=jasraj,thakur&dq=jasraj,thakur&hl=en&ei=mD_STtagFIPNrQeAyfG4DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAA]][[http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=e8_PTpO0EobUrQeBtPjCDA&ct=result&sqi=2&id=faZWAAAAMAAJ&dq=genghiskhan%2C+jashraj&q=Jashraj]][[User:Bhavinkundaliya|Bhavinkundaliya]] ([[User talk:Bhavinkundaliya|talk]]) 14:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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+'''Probably, not there looking for the tomb of Genghis Khan - that's it, and can not find.'''  Very most likely, it is in other part of Eurasia. However, like most of the descendants of his own people, living now among the Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Tatars, Uighurs and other Turkic peoples, related to them. There are many data confirms this, for example: ""...Learning about the religious beliefs of the Tatar khan... Abu Bakr said: "Not to be circumcised and not to go to Hajj is not the obstacles in order to be a faithful and true monotheist. Agreeing with the necessary regulations of Islam, the Tatar Khan became a believer, he is our brother in faith! Go back to him, give him this letter and tell him our greetings. ... But having arrived in Kazan, Muaz learned that Chingiz Khan left for Astrakhan. Muaz is immediately went to Astrakhan. There he was informed that Chingiz Khan recently died and was buried (there)" (Evliya Celebi)"". (from the book "Forgotten Heritage of Tatars", by Galy Yenikeyev). See on Smashwords company website: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/175211[[User:Antonio von Horde|Antonio von Horde]] ([[User talk:Antonio von Horde|talk]]) 19:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
+[[User:Antonio von Horde|Antonio von Horde]] ([[User talk:Antonio von Horde|talk]]) 19:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)