User talk:Setanta Saki

September 2013

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• between both jurisdictions will also guarantee that viewers within [Republic of Ireland|Ireland]] will be able to view [[BBC One Northern Ireland]] and [[BBC Two Northern Ireland]] on [[Republic

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IMOS

Hi new name, Setanta Saki, interesting one at that. Anyway some of your recent edits were not flowing well for WP:IRE-IRL styling, remember if both the state and NI are used in the same context we need to use ROI to help readers understand. On things like border cross over or partnerships its use is very helpful to those reading. I know some media outlets do use Ireland/NI styling, but thats why we have our own styling, WP:MOS and in this case WP:IMOS. Cheers bud. Murry1975 (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Blinksternet left a couple of warnings here, I have removed them as, Saki isnt new and he actually edited against the style and gave a warning to not edit against the manual of style, d'oh. Murry1975 (talk) 13:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey Murry, ya missed the NI/Ireland in same context policy, but gotcha now, thanks for the heads up. Setanta Saki (talk) 13:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah just watch how its used, and why. Some of your other edits, like the on one on history of ROI, where in the lead correct, but in the body where context was needed incorrect. But on LGBT and other articles was total correct and reverted simplely to give prominence to the usage of ROI instead of the states commonname. Murry1975 (talk) 13:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ya no prob Murry will do, don't hate me for making you correct my mistakes :) Setanta Saki (talk) 13:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

No bud we are here to build, not hate :) Murry1975 (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Four provinces arms

Hello! Some repsonse to your post:

i refute your " fake" claim on the alternate leinster harp and the four provinces crest, the harp in question was partly designed based on the 1651 arms which is the actual true original, the current is the brian boru harp which is supposed to only be utilised for ireland also the nationalist harp you included has nothing to do with the leinster harp only that it is green, secondly in regards to provincial arms there is no official format to the type of crest that surmounts only that the four provinces arms are present within and the order does vary.

• First, some WP:COPYVIO questions:
  • where did you get the 1651 coats of arms File:1651 Coat of arms of Mide.svg File:1651 Coat of arms of Munster.svg File:1651 Coat of arms of Leinster.svg File:1651 Coat of arms of Connacht.svg? If you have your own copy of the map and scanned it, that would work. If you just did a screengrab from archives.library.nuigalway.ie, not so: the webpage says "Copyright James Hardiman Library NUI Galway". {{PD-old-100}} is insufficient as it only relates to the US and the publication in question is the webpage rather than the original printing. commons:Commons:Licensing says it "only accepts media ... that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work."
    • BTW, SVG is not the correct file format for those. If you view the source, you can see that the SVG just has an image element of PNG format doing all the real work
    • Also, the Leinster image says "Zoom In And Out" at the bottom.
  • this edit is a COPYVIO of the NLI's Heraldry in Ireland. You cite the source minimally but don't link to the URL, so it's not quite as obvious.
• "the harp in question was partly designed based on the 1651 arms"
  • My beef with your flag File:Leinster Rugby Flag.svg was not with the Harp; it was (a) that it has a blue field and (b) that it was captioned "Leinster Rugby Harp Flag" (and has a filename to match). Is there any evidence of Leinster rugby using such a flag? Their modern stylised logo is blue to match their jerseys, but looks nothing like that flag.
• "the 1651 arms which is the actual true original".
  • "original" does not necessarily mean "correct today"; and anyway, 1651 is "earliest known", not necessarily "original".
• "the brian boru harp which is supposed to only be utilised for ireland"
  • I accept that the Brian Boru harp is not the only one that may be used for the Leinster Arms, and to reflect that I changed the image caption from "The flag of Leinster" to "A Leinster flag using the state harp". It is true that use of the state emblem (though not other depictions of the Brian Boru harp) is subject to legal restrictions; however, it has been used in editions of the Department of Foreign Affairs' book "Facts About Ireland" in depictions of the Leinster arms. I don't know whether in practice the state harp is the usual one that's used; probably at Irish Defence Forces parades it is; maybe not at GAA or Sinn Féin rallies. But I doubt the 1651 design is more typical of what's out there.
• "the nationalist harp you included has nothing to do with the leinster harp"
  • Edward MacLysaght, John Kennedy, and Gerard Anthony Hayes-McCoy (A History of Irish Flags from Earliest Times pp.44-45) disagree. They agree the Leinster Arms are related to the Irish arms, though whether the green field was used first for Leinster or Ireland is unclear. They also agree that the Munster and Connacht arms are related to previous Irish arms. Most sources consider Owen Roe O'Neill did not intend his flag to represent Leinster; you (or rather Eoghan Ó Carragáin of the NLI whom you plagiarised) are entitled to disagree but not to have the final word.
• "there is no official format to the type of crest that surmounts"
  • Being invented or unofficial doesnt mean being illegal; just inappropriate for an encyclopedia. By all means make use of your crested version in private life and nobody has grounds to criticise you. For Wikipedia, the simplest solution is to use no crest. It looks like you extracted your crested variant from a hockey flag; assuming the design is accurate and not copyrightable, you could just use the flag as an attested example of a crest rather than inventing a standalone version.
• "the order does vary"
  • Indeed, I currently have examples of 11 of the 24 possible ordeings. If you can find others I would be very grateful.

jnestorius^(talk) 21:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)