User talk:Ret.Prof: Difference between revisions
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==Background== |
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A few years ago, I decided that the Wikipedia articles about Christianity in the Second Temple Period needed to be [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ret.Prof&diff=prev&oldid=420051473 updated]. My area of expertise is Roman Palestine years 30 to 70. I have visited the Holy Land twice. I have also carefully studied the three great histories of that period ie. Josephus, Luke/Acts and the ''Church History'' by Eusebius. Eusebius was facinating as he had access to the great Library of Caesarea before it was destroyed. Also Jerome's ''Lives of Illustrious Men'' made for great reading, for he catalogued and evaluated all the Library documents before their destruction. Jerome and Eusebius basicly the preserved the Library of Caesarea for all time and along with it the roots of Christianity. It is because of them that we know that the Library of Caesarea had a copy of Matthew's "Gospel in a Hebrew dialect". It is also because of them we that there were discrepancies between the between Matthew's ''Hebrew Gospel'' and the Canonical [[Gospel of Matthew]]. It is also because of them we know that the [[Gospel of Matthew]] was NOT a Greek translation of the ''Hebrew Gospel''. It is also because of them serious charges were brought against me at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=594695957&oldid=594695441 '''AN/ I'''] |
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==My Response== |
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I had stepped into a problem area! Since 2004, the ''Hebrew Gospel'' Tradition |
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has been an area of serious conflict. When things got ugly I decided to handle the situation as follows: |
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# '''Step back''' - I stepped back from editing to let things cool down. |
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# '''Resume editing''' - I have resumed editing. [[WP:BRD]] I hope to find common ground and clearly define our areas of disagreement. |
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# '''Mediation''' - I have now requested help in working through conflict areas. |
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# '''Arbitration''' - Finally, if any areas of misconduct remain, I will request Arbitration. |
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The '''AN/I''' was never part of my plan! |
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== Formal mediation has been requested == |
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I have now filed for mediation. I am optimistic that we will be able to work though our scholarly disagreement because of the good will that is being shown by all parties. Cheers - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 16:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you.<br> |
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<small>Message delivered by [[User:MediationBot|MediationBot]] ([[User talk:MediationBot|talk]]) on [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee#MediationBot|behalf]] of the Mediation Committee. 01:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)</small> |
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==[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=594695957&oldid=594695441 '''ANI Closed''']== |
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Thanks for all the help and support re the AN/I. Thank God it is over! Also a special thanks to [[User:PiCo]] for helping an exhausted editor by doing the lion's share of the work re filing for Mediation. Thanks again! - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 18:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC) |
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== Request for mediation accepted == |
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| The [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation|request for formal mediation]] of the dispute concerning Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, in which you were listed as a party, '''has been accepted''' by the [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee|Mediation Committee]]. The case will be assigned to an active mediator within two weeks, and mediation proceedings should begin shortly thereafter. Proceedings will begin at the case information page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Hebrew Gospel of Matthew]], so please {{plainlinks|1={{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Hebrew Gospel of Matthew|action=watch}}|2=add}} this to your watchlist. Formal mediation is governed by the Mediation Committee and its [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Policy|Policy]]. The Policy, and especially the first two sections of the "Mediation" section, should be read if you have never participated in formal mediation. For a short guide to accepted cases, see the "Accepted requests" section of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Guide#Accepted requests|Guide to formal mediation]]. You may also want to familiarise yourself with the internal [[Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Procedures|Procedures of the Committee]]. |
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As mediation proceedings begin, be aware that formal mediation can only be successful if every participant approaches discussion in a professional and civil way, and is completely prepared to compromise. Please [[User:Mediation Committee|contact the Committee]] if anything is unclear. |
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For the Mediation Committee, [[User:Sunray]] ([[User talk:Sunray|talk]]) 02:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br> |
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Are you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nishidani&curid=5313389&diff=595470722&oldid=595457431 recruiting] - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 19:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::Mediation has begun. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 04:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Deleting "major shift" with this message: "Ret. Prof, this seems like a pretty out there claim and one unrelated to what we're currently discussing. If you have reliable secondary sources that talk about the anti-Semitism, maybe there's a place for that somewhere, though I really doubt it would be in this article. I'm going to delete this section so we can focus on the issue at hand, OK? Andrevan@ 21:26, 22 February 2014 (UTC)" '''[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|@]] 21:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Please comment on Atethnekos version and do so without offering a pile of links. Thanks! '''[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|@]] 21:36, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
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==Thanks== |
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:Hmmm once again I have misread the situation. In any event I have real life stuff to attend to. I will agree to what ever you decide...you have earned my trust and respect! Thanks again. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 23:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
:Hmmm once again I have misread the situation. In any event I have real life stuff to attend to. I will agree to what ever you decide...you have earned my trust and respect! Thanks again. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 23:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for that, but it's not exactly a done deal. I do think we can get there though. What it comes down to is that if there aren't reliable secondary sources that clearly say what it is you want to say, then you can't say it. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|@]] 23:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
::Thanks for that, but it's not exactly a done deal. I do think we can get there though. What it comes down to is that if there aren't reliable secondary sources that clearly say what it is you want to say, then you can't say it. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]'''[[User_talk:Andrevan|@]] 23:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC) |
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==Resolution== |
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I am truly pleased to have survived the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=594695957&oldid=594695441 '''ANI'''] and mediation. Thanks again to our mediator as well as to all those who have advised me during this difficult time! Now that this issue has been resolved it is time for all of us to move on. Cheers - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 13:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC) |
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== Recusing myself== |
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I am recusing myself from editing the [[Gospel of Matthew]] article. Please don't post on my talk page anything about this topic. - [[User:Ret.Prof|Ret.Prof]] ([[User talk:Ret.Prof#top|talk]]) 13:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC) |
Revision as of 13:35, 10 March 2014
'Wikipedia does not care about you or me being qualified scholars. Wikipedia is not a scholarly site, but a summary of sources that speak for themselves. We all have the right to edit, but there are rules to make sure that proper sources are used for appropriate articles and editors are civil. If you want to accuse me of a Christian bias:
Please read this.
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At Wikipedia we must all try to edit from a NPOV. On occasion my Faith has been called into question. Indeed some have honestly wondered how I can write what I have about the Historical Jesus and still be a Christian. The answer is simple, my relationship with God never had anything to do with history or archeology. Let me explain... Christianity not relevant in our modern world As a young litigation lawyer, I believed in God, but felt that Christianity was no longer relevant in our modern world. Jesus' teachings such as "Thou shalt not kill" "Love your enemy" "You can not serve both God and Money" were just not relevant in these modern times. I believed in the death penalty, war, material wealth. I did unto others before they did unto me. I did not get angry, I got even...and a bit! Spiritual awakening Then, a series of events made me reconsider my beliefs and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was still relevant today. I read a great deal about people who still believed in the Gospel, including Mahatma Gandhi, Dr Martin Luther King Jr., etc., etc. This led to a Spiritual awaking that forever changed my life. South Africa It was here, working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela that my faith was put to the test. Could love and non violence really bring down the Apartheid government? We were out-gunned, out-matched in every way. What the Archbishop was preaching made no earthly sense. Yet before my eyes I witnessed this racist government fall. As I stepped out in faith on a daily basis, I experienced God in a real way. In my heart I came to believe that the Gospel of Christ was the most powerful force in the Universe. The Roman Empire never stood a chance. Nor did the British Empire in India, or, for that matter, Segregation in the South. Twelve Step Program Several years later I was approached by a group who wanted to use my Church. They explained to me that their program was basic Christianity without many of the offensive "buzz words" that had been added over the years.
This simplified "Gospel" has transformed the lives of millions. It is truly powerful regardless of the packaging. My faith finds form in Anglicanism because of the freedom from "strict dogma", but I have seen the power of Christ in all denominations. Walking with Christ for these many, many years has given me a faith that allows me to edit Wikipedia from a NPOV. The reason is that my faith is not based on the "historical evidence" that has survived to 2014 but rather it is based upon my experience over a very very long time...and now to have a Pope whose focus is love, forgiveness and caring for those in need rather than dogma is a true blessing! |
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Thanks
Thanks to User:Andrevan I have agreed to his compromise. Now I am taking a well earned break! - Ret.Prof (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- Hmmm once again I have misread the situation. In any event I have real life stuff to attend to. I will agree to what ever you decide...you have earned my trust and respect! Thanks again. - Ret.Prof (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, but it's not exactly a done deal. I do think we can get there though. What it comes down to is that if there aren't reliable secondary sources that clearly say what it is you want to say, then you can't say it. Andrevan@ 23:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Resolution
I am truly pleased to have survived the ANI and mediation. Thanks again to our mediator as well as to all those who have advised me during this difficult time! Now that this issue has been resolved it is time for all of us to move on. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Recusing myself
I am recusing myself from editing the Gospel of Matthew article. Please don't post on my talk page anything about this topic. - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)