Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 14

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 14, 2014.

Template:WPCM

• Template:WPCM → Template:WikiProject Country Music (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

'WP:CM' is the abbreviation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music, and has been since 2005. The standard convention, and common sense, is for the WikiProject talk template to use the same abbreviation. I recommend this template shortcut is retargeted to Template:WikiProject Classical music. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 02:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Weak keep - Please note that WP:WPCM redirects to Wikipedia:Christian music, and that {{wpcm}} was closed as keep on April 5, 2014. Also, see my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  Sadly nobody in that discussion raised conflicts with other wikiprojects. Thank you for finding another conflict 'WPCM'. Note that their project tag template has the shortcut is {{CCM}} which lines up with their other project shortcut WP:CCM. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Point to {{WikiProject Classical music}} for now, which has the WP:CM shortcut, and is active (whereas the Christian Music project is noted to be semi-active). However, I believe there needs to be a broader discussion of where the WP:CM/CM/WPCM shortcuts need to point. Also oppose deletion on the grounds that once the tangle of shortcuts is resolved, there will be no real risk of confusion. Finally, I renew my request that a community-wide discussion be started addressing the propriety of short, possibly ambiguous template redirects for WikiProject templates (i.e., whether there need to be naming/capitalization standards, to what standard ambiguity in WikiProject template redirects need conform, and moreover which WikiProject should prevail in conflicts over long-extant shortcuts). The fact that the discussion over {{Wpcm}} closed as keep when there was this conflict waiting in the wings is exactly why we shouldn't be deciding these one-by-one. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wprb

• Template:Wprb → Template:WikiProject R&B and Soul Music (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

And again. See also ongoing discussion of the redirects Template:R&B and Template:R&b. — Scott • talk 00:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - See my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
• Leaning delete there is already {{WPRB}} pointing at this target. I much prefer that we keep shortcuts as only upper case, unless there is some context that means people will naturally presume they should use lower case. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 02:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wpcw

• Template:Wpcw → Template:WikiProject Country Music (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

And again. Apparently created to replace Template:C&W/Template:C&w, both of which were likewise deleted here two weeks ago. — Scott • talk 00:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - See my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wpjz

• Template:Wpjz → Template:WikiProject Jazz (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

And again; apparently created to replace Template:Jz which was deleted here two weeks ago. Note that the author of this template also created {{Wpjazz}}. — Scott • talk 00:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - See my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
• Question: user:Jax 0677, why {{WPJAZZ}} isnt good enough. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 02:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Reply - Template {{WPJAZZ}} is good, but {{wpjz}} is better, as it is shorter. If there is a better use, I'd love to hear it, otherwise, my position stands. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wpcl

• Template:Wpcl → Template:WikiProject Classical music (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]
• Template:Wpfk → Template:WikiProject Classical music  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Yet again. "Wpfk", what even is that? — Scott • talk 00:40, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - See my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. "F" and "K" are the first and last letters of "funk", which is a type of classical music, per {{WPFUNK}}. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  Er, no, funk is not classical music. And that's a link to a non-existent template. — Scott • talk 00:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Reply - Apologies, that is my mistake. I tried to correct my comment, but my internet has been going haywire tonight. I was going to say that maybe {{wpfk}} should redirect to {{WPRB}}, just like {{wprk}} redirects to {{WPROCK}}. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wprok

• Template:Wprok → Template:WikiProject Rock music (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 
• Template:Wproc → Template:WikiProject Rock music  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]
• Template:Rok → Template:WikiProject Rock music  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ]

As below. Note, there's already a {{WPRock}} shortcut, and even {{wprk}} and even even {{wpr}}, which latter both survived an RfD in February. There's a long name and two varieties of abbreviated shortcut; this is unnecessary badly-named clutter. — Scott • talk 00:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - See my response at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14#Template:Wprg. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wprg

• Template:Wprg → Template:WikiProject Reggae (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Another inconsistently-named musical template redirect made by Jax 0677. This should be deleted for the same reasons as the numerous ones at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 27 were. — Scott • talk 00:14, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - "Rg" are two letters in the word "reggae". This RfD is extremely similar to the 2013 RfD about Template:Cop and the 2014 RfD about Template:wprk ("R" and "K" are two letters in the word "rock"), which I am incorporating by reference for the sake of brevity. There are several templates like this, such as {{Tb}} which is not about tuburculosis, {{pot}} which is not about cannabis, {{hat}} which is not about headwear, etc. WP:R#D8 does not apply as this is not an article space redirect. WP:R#D2 does not apply as confusion is less likely to occur in other name spaces.

1. "Unless a WikiProject [or anyone else, for that matter] has actually expressed interest in usurping [these redirects], I don't see [them] doing any harm." To date, no other use for {{wprg}} has been suggested at all. Per WP:R#KEEP, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do".
2. Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all. So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete.
3. "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R. Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended. We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture. Someone obviously found these useful given they were created."
4. "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another mans tools. So you have no use for it. That it's being used on [talk pages] is good enough, and there is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use. Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags."
5. "Redirects are not only cheap but this is a redirect from and to template namespace. That would tend to indicate to me that anyone using it is an editor rather than a general reader and they are hardly likely to get it [confused]. There are lots of little abbreviated things pulled up over the years such as {{tlc}} or {{tlx}} or whatever as useful shorthand for editors." --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)