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Thank you for the snack. Yummy! Don't worry about editing while on holidays. Most editors here have lives and understand that such things come first. Enjoy! Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sources

Please provide a source when you add villages or towns on map. According to the rules of editing we can't add to map (villages, towns, cities or military base) without provide reliable sources which can confirm such actions. I hope for your understanding. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

OK. I understand. Will a map from Institute for the Study of War (somewhat pro-Iraqi) be enough? What map should I use to justify my edits? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:54, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hello! I see you are adding lots of userboxes. You may find Template:Userboxtop useful. Look at my userpage for an example. Happy editing! Happy Squirrel (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi HappySquirrel! I will try to clean up userboxes sometime within the next 48 hours. I will also try to create a few of my own. Thank you for your help! Pbfreespace3 (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk page etiquette: indentation

Hello! Thanks for your contributions at Talk:Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War. A quick request: when responding to a post, please indent your comment with a colon (:), so that it is easy to differentiate one comment from the next. Wikipedia's talk page guidelines on the subject are at Help:Using talk pages#Indentation.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah sorry, I forget sometimes. I'll remember to indent. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 22:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Heh. I'm going to leave that response unedited for irony. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

LOL! I did not intend that! Hahahahaha! Pbfreespace3 (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Some falafel for you!

Thanks! :-) --HCPUNXKID 21:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

June 2015

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for violation community 1RR sanctions, as you did at Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Magog the Ogre (t • c) 21:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

• To explain:
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• Magog the Ogre (t • c) 21:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your positive contributions on the Syrian and Iraqi Civil War Modules, your willingness to discuss edits/work collaboratively, and your efforts to counteract un-sourced edits Boredwhytekid (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Middle East conflict map

Hi, by referring to a Middle East conflict map, i was of course referring to Template:Syrian,_Iraqi,_and_Lebanese_insurgencies_detailed_map, which i guess you are already familiar with. It is not yet a full map of the entire Middle East, but as the Arab Winter expands instability a number of editors have integrated more and more maps - beginning from Syria, later joining with Iraq and adding Lebanon a few months ago. I guess there is a consideration to add also Sinai (Egypt) in the near future and depends on developments in Saudi Arabia and Yemen (Yemen already a battle ground, and Saudia experiencing border clashes), those may too be integrated.GreyShark (dibra) 05:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

"Sarrin is completely surrounded based on many sources"

Can you show that sources? And I suppose that they arent Kurdish media or Twitter pro-Kurdish amateur accounts, that would be so embarrasing...--HCPUNXKID 17:34, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

HCPUNXKID, I have heard reports from pro-kurdish sources such as Chuck Pfarrer that some ISIS reinforcements have come on across the Euphrates as well is infiltrators from the south, but BaF has a pretty strong presence around the town. You can argue all day, but for the edit you made, I have multiple twitter sources:

https://twitter.com/sylezjusz/status/618473038871429120 https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/618484971347550208 https://twitter.com/Feeney4Batman/status/617671230917705728 https://twitter.com/CizireCanton/status/617653868340604928 https://twitter.com/Karybdamoid/status/617031151358586880 http://ku.hawarnews.com/ji-ypge-opersyona-paqijkirina-bajaroka-sirin/

This list includes official YPG sources, as well as mapmakers and activists.

Whereas all you have is one guy on twitter who made a Google Earth map claiming that ISIS actually has some villages north and east of Sarrin.

https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/618554063853101056

Who are we going to trust? One person, or a multitude of sources, even if they are anti-ISIS? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

That "multitude of sources" are:

• 1st: Sources totally pro-YPG & anti-ISIS. Do I have to remember you that u cant use a pro-Kurdish source for Kurdish gains? Hope not, what would you say if I started using Peto Lucem, Al-Masdar, etc... for SAA advances? Would you accept it? So please, lets not have double standards...
• 2nd: Its funny to hear you calling that source "one guy on twitter", what are Chuck Pfarrer or Karybdamoid but "guys on twitter"? Or perhaps now they are worldwide-known academic experts on the issue? Come on, let's be serious and again, dont have different standards depending on our own POV.

So please, bring a neutral or pro-ISIS source stating that towns are under YPG control, otherwise they should be black, or at least (as a compromise solution until we can assure who controls them) contested (black-yellow). Regards,--HCPUNXKID 00:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Would you consider this a neutral source? He has been used for kurdish advances in the past. He is mainly pro-rebel.

www.twitter.com/arabthomness/status/616725447175442433

Thomas van Linge neutral? Really? Come on, the presence of the Kurdish & FSA flag dont say nothing to you? Would you consider neutral a twitter acount with the IS flag? That 18 years old kid is heavily biased, and if his maps or tweets had been used for Kurdish or FSA advances, that's a violation of the Wikipedia norms & rules we have agreed, and should be reverted. As I'm tired of having edit wars, I offer you again that good faith compromise solution, putting as contested the towns wich dont match on the maps (Kirat Kurdan, Mitras, Jabiriyah, Septe, Sabat Tahtani, Huwayjat al Alawi). Regards,--HCPUNXKID 17:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

HCPUNXKID, let's say I start a Twitter account, put up a ypg flag as my background picture, and upload my own map that I made myself claiming that most of Kobani Canton is actually still held by ISIS: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4hMuKBMHGmsaWs5Q2RCSmRjVHM/view?usp=sharing

That's my map that I made. I have a YPG flag as my account picture. Surely I am pro-YPG, right? Or at least a neutral source if I didn't have a YPG flag and didn't speak favorably of the YPG? My point is: does that make me right? How do you know what I am saying is reliable? Do you see what I am getting at? The truth is you know we aren't allowed to used maps for the Syrian wiki map, and this is no exception. What is likely is that Res Publica just guessed who held what, or relied on pro-ISIS accounts to say that ISIS actually has control over several towns and villages around Sarrin. That's exactly why his maps which he made on Google Earth cannot be used as a source. So no. No compromise. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I dont get it. Are you trying to say that Res Publica (wich perhaps could be biased, but it doesnt seems so 4 what I saw in his account) aint reliable but van Linge or Chuck Pfarrer (both having a heavy well-known pro-Kurdish bias) are reliable? Dont get it personal (sorry if u feel offended), but claiming that is a very hypocrite attitude, as its you who had affirmed that maps from very unreliable pro-Kurdish source Arabthomness had been used for editing Kurdish advances, in a total violation of Wikipedia rules. You leave me no option but to bring this issue to the talk page.--HCPUNXKID 00:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

HCPUNXKID, I wasn't trying to say that all of my sources could be used to edit the map, I'm just saying that yours can't be used. We need to treat all of these sources with extreme skepticism, including van Linge and Pfarrer. I don't recall using their maps to make edits. Regardless, the situation at Sarrin should be kept exactly the way it is until a news agency reports a change. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 17:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Al-Bayarat

"The village of Al-Bayarat is located directly west of the ancient city of Palmyra; it is only 10 kilometers away from this aforementioned city inside the Homs Governorate and it currently contains no inhabitants, as most of the residents fled this area after the terrorist group took the city of Palmyra in late April of 2015".You have made a complete wrong edits were you changed 3 villages in east of Palmyra werer the source clearly says west of it,you have to fix your mistakes.46.99.57.114 (talk) 18:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. I will revert. Please help me find this village west of Palmyra, I can't find it. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Palmyra

ISIS take checkpoints not near Air Base or Pumping stanion. So not need icons near this points. Saphyr66 (talk) 19:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

SAA retake one of checkpoint yesterday. Also now SAA advance against ISIS so you need removed black icons near Air Base and T4 Station. Saphyr66 (talk) 19:45, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm pretty sure the al-Masdar source says that ISIS launched a failed assault on those bases, but nonetheless it is a pro-government source that said that ISIS attacked them and still has one checkpoint near the Tiyas base. We can't use the pro-government source to show government gains, but we can show them for losses. That's enough to warrant a siege icon, I think. If you still disagree, let the community vote on it on the Syrian Civil War Module talk page. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

SAA advancing around Palmyra and captured 3 area in the vicinity of Palmyra. Anti SAA source reported that SAA advance against ISIS and take some points near city.https://www.facebook.com/www.documents.sy/posts/791817537584187 Saphyr66 (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

So not need black icons near Air Base and T4 Station. ISIS only shelled this area.https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/720517131389961 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saphyr66 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

SAA had established full control over Nazl Hayyal, al-Qadiri farm, and Thaniet al-Rajma in Palmyra’s surroundings. http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/07/08/419330/Syria-ISIL-Palmyra-Homs-Hasakah SAA advance.https://www.facebook.com/Hosein.Mortada.Press/posts/878645812204286 Saphyr66 (talk) 20:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

SAA & Hezbollah are supposed to establish a demarcation line with ISIS at the gate of Palmyra city in few days.https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/619041230060519424 SAA & Hezbollah advance near Palmyra. The gas field in Bay'yarat have been recovered. https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/619040987520761856 SAA & Hezbollah advancing from d western gate of Palmyra in ISIS land and are about 4 km from the city entrance. https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/619040679457480704 SAF reopening the road for advancing forces. https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/619041567072874496 Saphyr66 (talk) 08:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Syrian Army is 3.5km from Palmyra. SAA/Tiger Forces sit less than 5 kilometers from the Qassoun Mountains of Palmyra; meanwhile, to the south, the 67th Brigade sits less than 3.5 km from the last army checkpoint that leads into Palmyra. http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-is-3-5km-from-palmyra-how-did-they-do-it/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6V3r126z60 https://www.facebook.com/SyrianNewsCenter/videos/vb.742335999134054/972511969449788/?type=2& Regime troops advance near Palmyra. Syrian troops inched closer to the ISIS-held city of Palmyra. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Jul-11/306160-isis-attack-on-hassakeh-stalls-regime-troops-advance-near-palmyra.ashx I think now no ISIS forces near Air Base, T4 Station & Tiyas crossroads all ISIS fighters go to Palmyra. Saphyr66 (talk) 09:13, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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