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List of awards and nominations received by Satyajit Ray

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• Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Satyajit Ray/archive1

Nominator(s): - Vivvt (Talk) 05:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Ray is considered as one of the great filmmakers of all time and he has won numerous awards for his films and honors for himself. I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it satisfies FL criteria. Looking forward to constructive criticism.

• Note: Sorry to say this but bad-faith Indian editors...please stay away. - Vivvt (Talk) 05:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Resolved comments from FrankBoy CHITCHAT 17:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments from FrB.TG Not sure if his date of birth and date are relevant in his awards page, but in his biography it's worth mentioning. I have had used the same pattern for his FL filmography. So would like to keep it same. Also, some of other FLs also use the same pattern, probably for all those people who are passed away. "These include awards at the Berlin International Film Festival (28th), Cannes Film Festival (35th)..." You need not mention the ceremonies in parenthesis. You can have it like "28th Berlin International Film Festival" Done Why is he mentioned by his full name in FN. 2 and 4. Because it has mention of his son as well. Just to distinguish between them, I have used the full name for both. "He won ten awards for his screenplay writing" - I think you should word numbers that are below ten. I am not sure what is the criteria here. Second opinion would be nice. Not sure if Wikipedia (or WP:FL?) holds a criterion regarding this yet you have done this at other places (in the list) which is why I am asking you to do this to maintain consistency. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 10:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC) Agreed and Done You have abbreviated it as "Refs" while the full form is "Reference". Done Why is only section 2.1.3 linked? Fixed I missed it earlier. In the same section "Ray received three nominations and no awards" - The "no awards" is not needed as it's so obvious (from the table) that he didn't receive any award. Done The links for ref. 54 and 56 are broken. Replaced 56 with other source and trying to find another source for 54. web.archive.org did not let me archive it for some security reason and the original site is down now! Since the original site is down and not archived, I'm having no luck finding other source for 54. So I have used the same source as that of 55 because so far, at filmfare, one of the films nominated for the best film is given critics award. I think, its safe to assume that way and would not fall under WP:OR but if this is not OK, I'll remove the nomination mention. - Vivvt (Talk) 03:46, 18 June 2015 (UTC) In the National Film Awards section, you have the key indicator in colors while in the table they are colorless. Done. Initially, I thought of not adding the color. But now I think its alright. Why do the tables below "Honorary awards" have so much unnecessary width? -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 17:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC) I had it 80% earlier but its too cluttered and wraps the text. - Vivvt (Talk) 02:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC) In the last section you can change "1958–1959" to "1958–59". -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 10:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC) Done - Vivvt (Talk) 23:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support — FrankBoy _CHITCHAT 17:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks much FrB.TG for the review and support. - Vivvt (Talk) 17:56, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support Good work :). --Yashthepunisher (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you very much. - Vivvt (Talk) 17:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Oppose on a quick run through

• Consider changing the caption of the image. Looks pretty obvious to everyone that it's a portrait.

Any suggestions?

• The table lists 133 wins and 15 nominations – This is a blunder

In what regards?

@Vivvt: Some of those award wins would have had previous nominations which you should include in the total. For example say a film was nominated for five Oscars and won twice then you would include in the table as five nominations and two award wins. Cowlibob (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: But in case of films, its kinda impossible to have previous nominations for the same awards. I didnt want to categorise per award which is very convenient for me but wanted to show how many of his each film won any award. There are total 39 films by him so didnt want to mention all of them in the lead. Do you have any suggestions?

• I don't see a point in splitting "Awards for the films directed by Ray" and "Awards for the films contributed by Ray". After all, he was the recipient (of a particular category), regardless of who made the film.
• honors -> honours (Indian English usage)

Not done Will keep US English for this list.

As Ray is Indian, the standard is to use British English not US English. Cowlibob (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Done

• "Ray received numerous awards and honors, including India's highest award in cinema, the Dadasaheb Phalke Award, in 1984 and India's highest civilian award, Bharat Ratna, in 1992." – The placement of commas confuses the reader. Consider splitting the sentence as it looks lengthy.

Done

• Same for the succeeding sentence.

Done

• "Commander of the National Order of the Legion of Honour, the highest decoration in France" – Are you sure about it being the highest decoration? If so, needs a source.

Done

• "an Academy Honorary Award at the 64th Academy Awards in 1992"

Done

• "Ray made his directorial debut in 1955 with Pather Panchali." – Needs a source

Done

• You say 3rd National Film Awards (1955) and 7th Berlin International Film Festival (1957) – Be consistent while mentioning the years.

Done

• In the lead you say he won 10 awards for Best Screenplay, but the table lists 12.

Corrected

• OCIC Catholic Award of Cannes Film Festival is linked to a Sri Lankan film award.

Fixed

• 'Are 'Aparajito and Pather Panchali American films?

Just so you know, the answer is no. But the official site lists the entry under American film awards. However, its Wiki page says " The category was named "Best American Film" until 1961, when it became the "Best Non-European Film". In 2001, the name of the award changed back to "Best American Film", and the European category was changed to "Best Non-American Film"." Added it to the list.

To correct this simply change the category like this: [[Bodil Award for Best American Film|Best Non-European Film]] Cowlibob (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Done

• In BAFTA, you should give the actual names of the category; Best Film -> Best Film from any Source

Not much clear about what needs to be done

The Apu Trilogy films won the "BAFTA for Best Film from any Source" so correct in table as [[BAFTA Award for Best Film|Best Film from any Source]] Cowlibob (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Done

• Filmfare nomination for Shatranj Ke Khilari (Best Film) is not verified by the source. Further, Ray doesn't look like the producer of the film. If so, he shouldn't be credited with the nomination as the film belongs to the producer.

Removed

• Awarding body for Dadasaheb Phalke Award should be DFF. I'm not sure if the Dadabhai Naoroji Memorial Award is presented by the government. Also, since the UK govt. seems to present an award of the same name, this needs to be clarified.

Done Added the source from PIB release for the awarding body.

• Kanchanjangha->Kanchenjungha

Done

• "Un Certain Regard Screenplay" – The claim looks dubious. As far as my understanding goes, the film was just screened at this section of the festival. There seems to be no award presented for screenplays under the section.

Corrected Though the award is given in this particular section, I incorrectly assumed it to be a screenplay section with his name written as a screenplay writer. Another film Bab El-Oued City was awarded that year.

• In "Established in 1909, the National Board of Review awards are awarded annually by The National Board of Review of Motion Pictures" – Link "National Board of Review of Motion Pictures" rather than the awards. Also, the "Top Foreign Language Films" seems like a list. Not sure if that qualifies as an award.

Done

• You should know the difference between "The film is directed" and "The film was directed" (in the notes section), especially when the other part of the sentence uses another tense.

Corrected

• Refs. #47 and #48 use the same title.

Done

• You have included Bijoya Ray's Manik and I: My Life with Satyajit Ray as a source, but not used it as a ref. anywhere in the article.

Done

The second para of the lead just reads like a series of bullet points. It goes too much into the Apu Trilogy discussing only about those three films. I'm sure the nominator must be aware of other films that fetched him a lot of awards. I can see that a lot of hard work has been put into the list, but sadly there are so many issues with the list. A peer review would have made this process much more easier. —Vensatry _(ping) 19:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Vivvt: Please add back the Best Film nomination at Filmfare as I found the archive of it here, and I think you also need to ping @Vensatry: to tell them to revisit. Cheers. -- FrankBoy _CHITCHAT 23:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Ray was not the producer for the film so it makes sense not to credit him for the award. - Vivvt (Talk) 12:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

A few comments

• A dead link and a few missing access dates Please rectify them.
• ...received critical acclaim and was awarded the Best Film prize at various award ceremonies and film festivals — i think prize can be replaced with award.
• ...and two awards for writing lyrics — and two awards for lyric-writing.
• Looks like the list has been written with focus. I see a few redlinks though. Any reason behind this?

I hereby request the nominator to ping me once all these issues are addressed. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 06:58, 18 July 2015 (UTC)