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Reverting my edits on Apostasy in Islam

I have noticed your edits on apostasy in Islam. Your edits on wikipedia are welcome. However, many of what of the reverts you have done are flawed.

You removed my paragraph on which I mentioned the Edict of Toleration 1844, like it or not, this is referenced and will stay on the apostasy for Islam page. It is a highly significant watershed moment, that the caliph of Islam, the leader of the Muslim world issues this edict. It is referenced, and removing it in the manner you did is a severely reprimandable act. And if you do so again, I will ask for you to be disciplined by administrators. Removing referenced material is a violation of wikipedia rules. Do not do it.

2. The map: change is also flawed. You are mixing the pew research centre reference. The centre talks both about Blasphemy and apostasy. Which are two seperate things. Some countries, such as Egypt do not have the death penalty. They have some penalty, but not death, your map here is inaccurate. Ditto for Morocco, which is a liberal Muslim country, full of Western tourists, doesn't go around executing apostates. Pakistan, has death for Blasphemy but not for apostasy. The article is about apostasy, not blasphemy ergo, this map [[

is inaccurate. You have referenced the library of congress, but it's actually the pew research centre. [1] Do not deliberately misreference material. The picture is inaccurate, it conflates two different things, it will not be used on the apostasy in Islam article.

3. The picture, does not provide evidence that apostasy is prosecuted under Blasphemy laws. As I have said, apostasy is not Blasphemy. This again is an inconsistency.

4. The picture you restored, does not provide a picture of Muslim-majority countries in the Sahel, Western Africa, Central Asia, Turkey, Tunisia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. All which are as Muslim, as much as Saudi Arabia or Iran. The picture doesn't not provide an accurate image of their laws.

5. Your picture defeats your own Pew research centre source, which says that Indonesia does not have laws for apostasy. Your map says it does. Read Pancasila, Indonesia does not prosecute for apostasy, Indonesian Muslims don't believe that apostasy warrants any punishment. Again the map conflates apostasy with blasphemy.

All of these elements makes your map inaccurate, which is why it has been replace. Your map incorrectly references the library of congress. The LoC makes it clear that Iran's law is unclear. You claim that Iran uses the death penalty. So the references are misused.

Therefore, the image cannot be used. Do not revert the edit again, it is an inaccurate image and doing so will result in my reporting you to administrators for excessive reverts and removing properly referenced material. Do not remove the work on Edict of Toleration 1844. You seem new. So I will go easy on you. You are always welcome to edit on wikipedia, I hope you continue to do so. But please learn from these mistakes.

Happy editing, (Wiki id2 (talk) 14:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC))[reply]

@Wiki id2: The 1844 Edict of Toleration has been in the main article, here. I never removed it. For this and other issues, discuss it on the article's talk page. I will respond there, not here.

Stop these accusations and threats - you are violating WP:TPNO. RLoutfy (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The edict of toleration removal might not have been you. I will withdraw that point. But the others still stand. They are not accusations. The map is using a misreference of pew research centre. By conflating two things. I made it clear in the edit section, and you still proceded to revert the picture edit. I'm not violating any rules. You can respond here, your talk page is here to discuss your activities. (Wiki id2 (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC))[reply]

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can you move the picture

can you move the picture of Salman Rushdie a little lower in the blasphemy article? for atm it sits almost inside the "christian" punishment section. I have no idea how to move it a "little" without actually moving it into another section — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeatlastChitchat (talk • contribs) 05:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I have left an edit summary inviting discussion on relevant talk pages. RLoutfy (talk) 22:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also see that most of your edit are purely Islamophobic. --CounterTime (talk) 12:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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in Case of Rape and Zina

you stated

1. "The hadiths declare rape of a free Muslim woman as zina" , so i want to ask, do you know the definition of "hadith" ? could you provide hadith based on this definition? fyi the Al-Muwatta in this case was not a hadith but a Fiqh by Malik, and where in this Fiqh it make a differentiation between a slave and a free muslim woman? please don't put your own opinion on this.

2. Please Quote here where in Kecia Ali and in Asghar Ali Engineer books which stated "the victim of the rape must bring 4 eyewitnesses?".

3. I already observed both book, and there was no such thing as "the victim of the rape must bring 4 eyewitnesses", so please don't put your opinion on this. --Markanegara (talk | contribs), 10 June 2015‎

@Markanegara: No, no. Al-Muwatta is considered a hadith and also a sharia source in the Maliki school. It was mentioned in the article. I will check the article's edit history and revise where appropriate. For these issues, discuss it on the article's talk page. I will respond there, not here. RLoutfy (talk) 13:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@RLoutfy: wrong, Al-Muwatta is both hadith book and a fiqh book, and what you quoted was a fiqh not hadith, please learn definition of hadith first

Reverting my edits on Apostasy in Islam

Hi. Why did you delete a lot of the content I mentioned, most notably the verses 10:99 and 18:29

Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
— Quran 18:29

And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?
— Quran 10:99

which no pre-modern scholar even claimed that they were abrogated. Why did you ignore a lot of my points and made extremely many misquotes, e.g. [2], [3] and [4]? Why did you delete my labelling of the "Other views on punishment" as unconsistent without giving any justification? Looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance. --HakimPhilo (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

HakimPhilo - Let us discuss your WP:OR on the article's talk pages. I have posted my reply there. RLoutfy (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I have left an edit summary inviting discussion on relevant talk pages. [[User:RLoutfy|RLoutfy]] ([[User talk:RLoutfy#top|talk]]) 22:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
+I also see that most of your edit are purely Islamophobic. --[[User:CounterTime|CounterTime]] ([[User talk:CounterTime|talk]]) 12:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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