Talk:2016 U.S.–Iran naval incident

Some points

Nick-D: Which policy led you to this edit? Mhhossein (talk) 16:27, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Also please note that per sources such as [1], [2], [3], [4], and etc they were "seized", not "held". Mhhossein (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

1) Basic English and common sense: if two boats full of heavily armed sailors from an unfriendly country sail into your waters that's part of how you arrest them (eg, to hold them in position after confirming you've found their guns). It's not "submission", and the source you provided for that was a ranting op ed 2) the boats were released after 18 hours entirely intact after a diplomatic exchange and its not disputed that they had blundered into Iranian waters (where Iran had the legal right to stop them and take them into custody), so they were "held" or similar. If they were "seized" Iran would still have them. Nick-D (talk) 09:29, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. I can admit that in a "submission position" can be removed because of being part of an Open-Ed. But if we are to act based on the sources, we should write "seized" not "held". Mhhossein (talk) 12:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Destructive editing

Dropsandstrikes: Thanks for your edits. But I don't know why you've done this edit. Your edit summary says:"Added back january 29 Fars statement. Please stop destructive editing." This is while the january 29 Fars statement were already in the article and was not removed, so "adding it back" is nonsense, just like your accusing me of "destructive editing". I just fixed the "damaged lead" while keeping the added materials by other editors. By the way, "The statement did not account for navigation equipment" was accidentally removed, although I think it is not that important. assuming good faith the edit could not be called "destructive". Mhhossein (talk) 19:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Just two SIM cards

Dropsandstrikes I agree that an official statement such as that by Centcom is preferred to that of 'The Atlantic'. However, I think we have to emphasize that 'Just' two SIM cards were removed, because the Centcom statement says:"A post-recovery inventory of the boats found that all weapons, ammunition and communication gear are accounted for minus two SIM cards that appear to have been removed from two handheld satellite phones." Mhhossein (talk) 03:54, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Mhhossein

I understand the argument but Centcom did not say 'Just' two SIM cards were removed, as they clearly left room open for the removal of other equipment, such as navigation equipment like GPS and RADAR devices. If you would like to use the term 'Just' to describe equipment removal, it would be accurate to say that 'of the communications equipment, just two SIM cards were removed, but it would not be accurate to say 'Just' two SIM cards were removed as it implies Centcom accounted for all other categories of equipment in their inventory. Dropsandstrikes —Preceding undated comment added 04:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Dropsandstrikes: I see your point and I appreciate your precise viewpoint. I thought that GPS and RADAR will be counted as communication devices. Anyway, I have no objection against removing 'Just', now. Mhhossein (talk) 05:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

"returned to the United States"

Nick-D: Could please say on what basis you are reverting me? My version were exactly "returned to the United States" (did you even pay attention to that?). You've surprisingly written in your edit summary "read the source: it says they "were returned to the United States", not that they sailed to the US," showing that you know what the source is saying ("Both boats were returned to the United States under their own power"). By the way, "both boats returned to base under their own power" is clearly POV! I would like to ask you to revert the article to the correct version. Mhhossein (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

That wording in the NY Times story says were returned to the control of the US government, not to the United States. These small craft can't sail long distances, or in the open ocean. The Washington Post stated that the boats were eventually docked in Bahrain (which is the main base of the US Navy in the Persian Gulf): [5] Nick-D (talk) 07:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Lead

@FreeatlastChitchat: I did not make the page, and it has even nothing to do with editing the article. Anyway, how the sailors were released is absolutely important so we have to say about "John Kerry's multiple phone calls" in the lead. Moreover, the source makes no comments about "some politicians" rather it says that Some Republicans have made criticisms. Why did you revert me? Mhhossein (talk) 11:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

@Mhhossein I reverted you because you cannot understand English and are therefore incapable of understanding English sources. You are also incapable of understanding the nuances in the English of this article. The sentence The 10 sailors onboard were detained for 15 hours and released unharmed after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry's multiple phone calls to Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif gives the sense that John Kerry was worried and he hastily made many phone calls, which of course is not the case. John Kerry made one call, and the Iranians released the sailors. I am not making any ad hom comments on your person , just saying that you are incapable of understanding this. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 13:28, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

FreeatlastChitchat: FYI, The assumption based on which you reverted me, i.e. "I reverted you because you cannot understand English... ", is fundamentally wrong. It is a very bizarre statement! Let me make a similar judgement about you; You can't understand English well, because according to the CNN ([6]), "Secretary of State John Kerry spoke to his Iranian counterpart, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif, at least five times Tuesday while U.S. Navy sailors were in Iranian custody." Also, let's see The Washington Post where we it reads: "Kerry, who exchanged at least five telephone calls Tuesday with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif while the sailors were being held...". The Atlantic ([7] also hints that you are wrong. So, we have no doubt that multiple phone calls were exchanged between the two minsters. I am not making any ad hom comments on your person , just saying that you are incapable of exploring the sources. The sources does not say that only Kerry made calls, but instead of removing the whole sentence you should have simply edited the sentence to express that. Yes, Kerry was worried, "he was concerned “first and foremost…with the safety and security of the people who were caught up in this incident, the American sailors.”[8] You also refrained from explaining how your lack of English made you ignore the very fact that "Some politicians like the Republican presidential hopefuls" is fundamentally different from "Some Republican presidential hopefuls like...", the latter being in accordance with the source. The source suggests that Republicans criticized the incident (and makes no comment about other politicians), while you insist to misinterpret the source by saying that "some politicians" did it. By the way, don't shout please because shouting things loudly does not make them true. Mhhossein (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)