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Gizem Öztaşdelen

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I can find nothing that shows they pass WP:GNG. The sources on the page are just lists and passing mentions as best I can find. Beyond that they also fail WP:NHOCKEY. DJSasso (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Question - She appears to meet WP:NHOCKEY #2. When you say "they" - what do you mean? Hmlarson (talk) 03:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

• When I say they I mean the subject. As for NHOCKEY #2, that applies to leagues that existed before professional hockey existed in the 1800's etc. And in the communist countries where "professional" leagues did not exist as their "amateur" leagues were essentially their professional leagues. Professional leagues exist in the world now and she isn't prevented from moving to play in them (as citizens of the communist countries were), so she has the ability (if she had the skill) to play in them. This is spelled out in the link NHOCKEY provides to show what leagues meet each criteria. -DJSasso (talk) 11:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
• Reply: Mm, you've seen this self-same response on at least one other recent AfD, Hmlarson, addressing what criterion #2 means. That being said, let me clarify further: NHOCKEY provides no presumptive notability to any level of women's competition. The only SNG that pertains to women's hockey is WP:NOLYMPICS, since all competitors at the Olympic Games are presumptively notable. To date, the Turkish women's team has never qualified for the Olympics. Ravenswing 21:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete: Fails NHOCKEY, no evidence the subject meets the GNG, the blizzard of sources notwithstanding. Ravenswing 21:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep: NHOCKEY is not relevant here as she passes WP:GNG based on the strength of the sources from Turkish language media. It would be helpful if some one more familiar with the Turkish language could fix up some of the sources, and add more information from these sources to improve the article and make notability more clear to people who do not want to search Turkish language media to see a demonstration of WP:GNG. --LauraHale (talk) 12:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Alright, let's run down the list of the various Turkish-language cites in the article. The first such is about the subject's father, and drops her name only by way of "His sister Gizem Öztaşdelen also said that the clubs that they used to have had problems between their clubs."

  The second includes her name in a multi-page list of engineering students, and it's a post of the classes mid-term grades.

  The third is a mere namedrop in WP:ROUTINE a long list of results from a particular junior-level competition.

  The fourth is the subject's mention on a table listing a few hundred Turkish ice skating coaches.

  The fifth is the same cite as the first.

  The sixth is a national team roster.

  The seventh is a mention in a single sentence in a match report.

  The eighth is a broken link.

  The ninth mentions her name in a roster list.

  Her namedrop in the tenth and eleventh (they're both copies of the same piece, so why you set them up as separate cites I have no idea) is "Our first goal in the Irish Match came from Gizem Öztaşdelen."

  The twelfth is a mention in a roster list.

  The thirteenth (and sixteenth, them being the same article) is a single mention in a match report that the subject was injured in the game.

  The fourteenth (and fifteenth, them again being the same article) is about the hospital scandal mentioned, but restricts mentioning the subject to "Gizem Oztasdelen and Betül Taygar, who are allegedly hostage in hospital because they can not find 300 euros, have expressed their regrets in the news and they have reported their experiences to the Federation in writing."

  The seventeenth is a simple: "The most valuable player in the league; While Gizem Öztaşdelen was in the Millennium Skating Club, the best goalkeeper was İlknur Dilmaç from Ankara University Sports Club."

  The last one is a broken link.

  That just burned 45 minutes of my life I'm not getting back. Not a single one of these provides the subject the "significant coverage" the GNG requires, and it seems like LauraHale just went for any Turkish-language cite she could find namedropping the subject without bothering to examine them. Ravenswing 18:38, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete: Fails WP:NHOCKEY. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)