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== Sisters of St. Joseph of the Sacred Heart ==


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<h2 id="Sisters_of_St._Joseph_of_the_Sacred_Heart"> Sisters of St. Joseph of the Sacred Heart </h2>


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== Merry Christmas and happy new year ==
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== Brisbane Meetup in January 2016 ==
<h2 id="Brisbane_Meetup_in_January_2016"> Brisbane Meetup in January 2016 </h2>


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== mail ==
<h2 id="mail"> mail </h2>


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== [[Electoral district of Rockhampton North|Rockhampton North]] by-election in October of 1901 ==
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Greetings Kerry, we haven't chatted for a while!! Looking at [[List of Queensland state by-elections]], did the North Rockhampton seat have a by-election in October or was the previous by-election held in June just over-ruled on by the courts in October? I can't find anything for a by-election in October?
<p id="mwHA">Greetings Kerry, we haven't chatted for a while!! Looking at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_Queensland_state_by-elections" title="List of Queensland state by-elections" id="mwHQ">List of Queensland state by-elections</a>, did the North Rockhampton seat have a by-election in October or was the previous by-election held in June just over-ruled on by the courts in October? I can't find anything for a by-election in October?</p>


== Booubyjan, Queensland ==
<h2 id="Booubyjan.2C_Queensland"> Booubyjan, Queensland </h2>


<div style="background-color: #BBDDFF; border: #4169E1 1px solid; margin: 2em 0 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em; font-weight: bold; overflow: auto; vertical-align: middle; " about="#mwt11" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"talkback","href":"./Template:Talkback"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Tobyc75#Booubyjan, Queensland"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwHg"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:Image"><a href="./User_talk:Tobyc75#Booubyjan.2C_Queensland"><img resource="./File:Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" data-file-type="drawing" height="40" width="40" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x"/></a></figure>Hello, Kerry Raymond. You have new messages at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Tobyc75#Booubyjan.2C_Queensland" title="User talk:Tobyc75">Tobyc75's talk page</a>.<br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> You can <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kerry_Raymond&amp;action=edit">remove this notice</a> at any time<span typeof="mw:Entity"> </span>by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.</span></div>
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== Speedy deletion nomination of List of culture icons of Queensland ==
<h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_List_of_culture_icons_of_Queensland"> Speedy deletion nomination of List of culture icons of Queensland </h2>


Hello Kerry Raymond,
<p id="mwHw">Hello Kerry Raymond,</p>


I wanted to let you know that I just tagged [[List of culture icons of Queensland]] for deletion in response to your request.
<p id="mwIA">I wanted to let you know that I just tagged <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_culture_icons_of_Queensland" title="List of culture icons of Queensland" id="mwIQ" class="new">List of culture icons of Queensland</a> for deletion in response to your request.</p>


If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can <span class="plainlinks">'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title={{urlencode:Talk:List of culture icons of Queensland}}&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion]'''</span>, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
<p id="mwIg">If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can <span class="plainlinks" id="mwIw"><b id="mwJA"><a typeof="mw:ExpandedAttrs" about="#mwt30" rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList+of+culture+icons+of+Queensland&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new&amp;preload=Template:Hangon_preload&amp;preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+" data-mw='{"attribs":[[{"txt":"href"},{"html":"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&lt;span about=\"#mwt12\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=&#39;{\"pi\":[[]],\"dsr\":[3004,3058,null,null]}&#39; data-mw=&#39;{\"parts\":[{\"template\":{\"target\":{\"wt\":\"urlencode:Talk:List of culture icons of Queensland\",\"function\":\"urlencode\"},\"params\":{},\"i\":0}}]}&#39;>Talk%3AList+of+culture+icons+of+Queensland&lt;/span>&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;section=new&amp;amp;preload=Template:Hangon_preload&amp;amp;preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+"}]]}' id="mwJQ">contest this deletion</a></b></span>, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.</p>


You can leave a note on [[User_talk:Xx236|my talk page]] if you have questions.
<p id="mwJg">You can leave a note on <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Xx236" title="User talk:Xx236" id="mwJw">my talk page</a> if you have questions.</p>


[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwKA"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Xx236" title="User:Xx236" id="mwKQ">Xx236</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Xx236" title="User talk:Xx236" id="mwKg">talk</a>) 09:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)</p>


==Please contact==
<h2 id="Please_contact">Please contact</h2>
Directly by email, would be very useful, we need a conversation - thanks [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 05:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwKw">Directly by email, would be very useful, we need a conversation - thanks <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwLA">JarrahTree</a> 05:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)</p>


Thanks for your time yesterday - much appreciated - the following is the most cogent overliew linked item I have seen to date - please
<p id="mwLQ">Thanks for your time yesterday - much appreciated - the following is the most cogent overliew linked item I have seen to date - please
either forward or refer to if anyone wants to locally feedback at all -
either forward or refer to if anyone wants to locally feedback at all - </p>


== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2|Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)]] ==
<h2 id="Join_the_next_cycle_of_Wikimedia_movement_strategy_discussions_.28underway_until_June_12.29"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2" id="mwLg">Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)</a> </h2>


<div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr">
<div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" id="mwLw">
:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Updates/Cycle 2 discussions launch|Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki]]''
<dl id="mwMA"><dd id="mwMQ"><i id="mwMg"><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Updates/Cycle%202%20discussions%20launch" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Updates/Cycle 2 discussions launch" id="mwMw">Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki</a></i></dd></dl>
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The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2|5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations]] - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.
<p id="mwOA">The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2" id="mwOQ">5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations</a> - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.</p>


You are invited to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate|join the online and offline discussions taking place]] on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.
<p id="mwOg">You are invited to <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Participate" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate" id="mwOw">join the online and offline discussions taking place</a> on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.</p>


Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:
<p id="mwPA">Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:</p>


* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/Healthy, Inclusive Communities|Healthy, Inclusive Communities]]
<ul id="mwPQ"><li id="mwPg"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202/Healthy,%20Inclusive%20Communities" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/Healthy, Inclusive Communities" id="mwPw">Healthy, Inclusive Communities</a></li>
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/The Augmented Age|The Augmented Age]]
<li id="mwQA"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202/The%20Augmented%20Age" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/The Augmented Age" id="mwQQ">The Augmented Age</a></li>
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/A Truly Global Movement|A Truly Global Movement]]
<li id="mwQg"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202/A%20Truly%20Global%20Movement" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/A Truly Global Movement" id="mwQw">A Truly Global Movement</a></li>
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/The Most Respected Source of Knowledge|The Most Respected Source of Knowledge]]
<li id="mwRA"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202/The%20Most%20Respected%20Source%20of%20Knowledge" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/The Most Respected Source of Knowledge" id="mwRQ">The Most Respected Source of Knowledge</a></li>
* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem|Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem]]
<li id="mwRg"> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202/Engaging%20in%20the%20Knowledge%20Ecosystem" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2/Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem" id="mwRw">Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem</a></li></ul>


On the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate|movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki]], you can find more information about each of these themes, their discussions, and how to participate.
<p id="mwSA">On the <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Participate" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate" id="mwSQ">movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki</a>, you can find more information about each of these themes, their discussions, and how to participate.</p>


The Australian wikimedia chapter is collecting a range of responses - any further details or questions please contact strategy@wikimedia.org.au
<p id="mwSg">The Australian wikimedia chapter is collecting a range of responses - any further details or questions please contact strategy@wikimedia.org.au</p>


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Thank you - I realise you have already offered ideas and opinions - but there a few days left - if perchance a stray enquiry falls your way
<p id="mwTA">Thank you - I realise you have already offered ideas and opinions - but there a few days left - if perchance a stray enquiry falls your way
the above would provide an easy way in. Thanks again [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 00:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
the above would provide an easy way in. Thanks again <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwTQ">JarrahTree</a> 00:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)</p>


Using the Oz project inside the welcome - see an eg at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Astark80 - cheers [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 02:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwTg">Using the Oz project inside the welcome - see an eg at <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Astark80" id="mwTw">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Astark80</a> - cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwUA">JarrahTree</a> 02:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)</p>


==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Blue Care]]==
<h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Blue_Care"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion" id="mwUQ">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Blue_Care" title="Blue Care" id="mwUg">Blue Care</a></h2>
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<p id="mwVw">A tag has been placed on <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Blue_Care" title="Blue Care" id="mwWA">Blue Care</a>, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G11" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion" id="mwWQ">section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam" id="mwWg">the guidelines on spam</a> and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations" id="mwWw">Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations</a> for more information. </p>


<p id="mwXA">If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may <b id="mwXQ">contest the nomination</b> by <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Blue_Care" title="Blue Care" id="mwXg">visiting the page</a> and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:List_of_policies" title="Wikipedia:List of policies" id="mwXw">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a>. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the <span class="plainlinks" about="#mwt15" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Querylink","href":"./Template:Querylink"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Special:Log"},"2":{"wt":"deleting administrator"},"qs":{"wt":"type=delete&amp;page=Blue+Care"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwYA"><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&amp;page=Blue+Care">deleting administrator</a></span>. <!-- Template:Db&#x2D;spam&#x2D;notice --> <!-- Template:Db&#x2D;csd&#x2D;notice&#x2D;custom --> <b id="mwYQ"><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwYg"> </span><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwYw">—</span></b><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwZA"> </span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Mr._Guye" title="User:Mr. Guye" id="mwZQ">Mr. Guye</a><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwZg"> </span>(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Mr._Guye" title="User talk:Mr. Guye" id="mwZw">talk</a>)<span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwaA"> </span>(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Special:Contributions/Mr._Guye" title="Special:Contributions/Mr. Guye" id="mwaQ">contribs</a>)<span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwag"> </span> 04:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)</p>
== Nomination of a load of Brisbane/Queensland local football clubs for deletion ==
<dl id="mwaw"><dd id="mwbA">Really? <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwbQ">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwbg">talk</a>) 23:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl>
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether several articles about Brisbane local football clubs are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether they should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].


<h2 id="Nomination_of_a_load_of_Brisbane.2FQueensland_local_football_clubs_for_deletion"> Nomination of a load of Brisbane/Queensland local football clubs for deletion </h2>
The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0" id="mwbw"><span typeof="mw:Image" id="mwcA"><span id="mwcQ"><img alt="" resource="./File:Ambox_warning_orange.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" data-file-type="drawing" height="41" width="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x" id="mwcg"/></span></span></div><p id="mwcw">A discussion is taking place as to whether several articles about Brisbane local football clubs are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines" id="mwdA">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a> or whether they should be <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy" id="mwdQ">deleted</a>.</p>


<p id="mwdg">The article will be discussed at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Centenary_Stormers_FC" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC" id="mwdw">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC</a> until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.</p>
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd-notice --> [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 16:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


<p id="mweA">Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.<!-- Template:afd&#x2D;notice --> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi" id="mweQ">Cabayi</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi" id="mweg">talk</a>) 16:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
== Tests Visual Editor edit on talk page ==
Very nice, although I do miss having a nice convenient "new section" button to push. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 11:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC).
:PS: I don't know if you know but over at Wikidata they have enabled the "Flow" tool for user talk pages, on an opt-in basis. [[d:User_talk:Lankiveil|Check it out!]]. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] <sup>([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])</sup> 11:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC).
::Yes, it would be nicer if the VE supported section editing and I am not sure if this is a major problem to implement or simply not a priority. I thought Flow was "dead" but evidently not. I hope you will be putting a "Edit with VE" button on your User Talk page. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 22:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
:::It's in the "major problem to implement" category, especially for re-used citations (either one already on the page in some other section, or one that you re-use in that section [because VisualEditor might auto-assign it a ref name that has already been used in a different part of the page]). [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 16:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


<h2 id="Tests_Visual_Editor_edit_on_talk_page"> Tests Visual Editor edit on talk page </h2>
== ''The Signpost'': 9 June 2017 ==
<p id="mwew">Very nice, although I do miss having a nice convenient "new section" button to push. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Lankiveil" title="User:Lankiveil" id="mwfA">Lankiveil</a> <sup id="mwfQ">(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Lankiveil" title="User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwfg">speak to me</a>)</sup> 11:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC).</p>
<dl id="mwfw"><dd id="mwgA">PS: I don't know if you know but over at Wikidata they have enabled the "Flow" tool for user talk pages, on an opt-in basis. <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Lankiveil" title="d:User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwgQ">Check it out!</a>. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Lankiveil" title="User:Lankiveil" id="mwgg">Lankiveil</a> <sup id="mwgw">(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Lankiveil" title="User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwhA">speak to me</a>)</sup> 11:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC).
<dl id="mwhQ"><dd id="mwhg">Yes, it would be nicer if the VE supported section editing and I am not sure if this is a major problem to implement or simply not a priority. I thought Flow was "dead" but evidently not. I hope you will be putting a "Edit with VE" button on your User Talk page. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwhw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwiA">talk</a>) 22:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwiQ"><dd id="mwig">It's in the "major problem to implement" category, especially for re-used citations (either one already on the page in some other section, or one that you re-use in that section [because VisualEditor might auto-assign it a ref name that has already been used in a different part of the page]). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)" id="mwiw">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)" id="mwjA">talk</a>) 16:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>


<h2 id="The_Signpost:_9_June_2017"> <i id="mwjQ">The Signpost</i>: 9 June 2017 </h2>
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== State Strategic Tourist Routes in Queensland ==
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<h2 id="State_Strategic_Tourist_Routes_in_Queensland"> State Strategic Tourist Routes in Queensland </h2>

<p id="mwmA">Hi Kerry,
It appears that the travel times given in the Qld Govt refs for these routes are estimated elapsed times including rest, eat and sleep allowances, not driving times. After making a couple of edits and then realising the above I decided to hand it over to you to sort out.
It appears that the travel times given in the Qld Govt refs for these routes are estimated elapsed times including rest, eat and sleep allowances, not driving times. After making a couple of edits and then realising the above I decided to hand it over to you to sort out.
Cheers [[User:Downsize43|Downsize43]] ([[User talk:Downsize43|talk]]) 10:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwmQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwmg">talk</a>) 10:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
:Yes, that's what I was guessing, when they come up with a time that suggested they were travelling at about 10 km/h. But it seems they are inconsistent in their reporting because some of the times stated do seem consistent with what I would expect for just driving (where the numbers suggest about 80km/h). I might just omit the times for the ones that are clearly not driving times. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 01:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwmw"><dd id="mwnA">Yes, that's what I was guessing, when they come up with a time that suggested they were travelling at about 10 km/h. But it seems they are inconsistent in their reporting because some of the times stated do seem consistent with what I would expect for just driving (where the numbers suggest about 80km/h). I might just omit the times for the ones that are clearly not driving times. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwnQ">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwng">talk</a>) 01:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
::I have made some changes to those that suggest very slow travel. Hope they are OK. [[User:Downsize43|Downsize43]] ([[User talk:Downsize43|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwnw"><dd id="mwoA">I have made some changes to those that suggest very slow travel. Hope they are OK. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwoQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwog">talk</a>) 03:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>


== Francis Drummond Greville Stanley ==
<h2 id="Francis_Drummond_Greville_Stanley"> Francis Drummond Greville Stanley </h2>


Hi Kerry, Re: Works - Perc Tucker Regional Gallery, Townsville. Should not the original name of this building (Union Bank of Australia, Townsville) precede the current name in this list? Cheers, John. [[User:Downsize43|Downsize43]] ([[User talk:Downsize43|talk]]) 01:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwow">Hi Kerry, Re: Works - Perc Tucker Regional Gallery, Townsville. Should not the original name of this building (Union Bank of Australia, Townsville) precede the current name in this list? Cheers, John. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwpA">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwpQ">talk</a>) 01:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
:Good catch! Thanks! Done! [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 02:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwpg"><dd id="mwpw">Good catch! Thanks! Done! <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwqA">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwqQ">talk</a>) 02:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl>


== any chance of a 5 minute phone call ? ==
<h2 id="any_chance_of_a_5_minute_phone_call_.3F"> any chance of a 5 minute phone call ? </h2>
[[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 02:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwqg"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwqw">JarrahTree</a> 02:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</p>


== The Park Centre for Mental Health ==
<h2 id="The_Park_Centre_for_Mental_Health"> The Park Centre for Mental Health </h2>


Hi Kerry, Me again with another silly question. This article contains links to itself from each of the institution's former names, which I found rather confusing. Is this as intended, and, if so, does it comply with WP guidelines? Cheers, John [[User:Downsize43|Downsize43]] ([[User talk:Downsize43|talk]]) 01:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwrA">Hi Kerry, Me again with another silly question. This article contains links to itself from each of the institution's former names, which I found rather confusing. Is this as intended, and, if so, does it comply with WP guidelines? Cheers, John <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwrQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwrg">talk</a>) 01:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
:{{ping|Downsize43}} Self links are discouraged in articles (other than to sections). But these are not self-links as they are redirects, and a redirect might sprout into a separate article at some time, so redirects are a bit of a grey zone as some are just alternative names and probably should be removed, others are a case of "best article to touch on the topic" (so probably should stay). Former names are sort-of in-between as often former names of a place can be associated with a very different use and potentially separate articles. In this case, the former names are probably not likely to sprout their own article. Summary: do whatever you like :-) [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 01:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwrw"><dd id="mwsA"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt21" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Downsize43"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwsQ">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43">Downsize43</a>:</span> Self links are discouraged in articles (other than to sections). But these are not self-links as they are redirects, and a redirect might sprout into a separate article at some time, so redirects are a bit of a grey zone as some are just alternative names and probably should be removed, others are a case of "best article to touch on the topic" (so probably should stay). Former names are sort-of in-between as often former names of a place can be associated with a very different use and potentially separate articles. In this case, the former names are probably not likely to sprout their own article. Summary: do whatever you like<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace mw:Placeholder" id="mwsg"> </span>:-) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwsw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwtA">talk</a>) 01:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
::PPS. There's some COBOL (and other long forgotten languages) in my dark past too. Mostly I use Python these days but very rusty, too many years managing and not coding. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 01:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwtQ"><dd id="mwtg">PPS. There's some COBOL (and other long forgotten languages) in my dark past too. Mostly I use Python these days but very rusty, too many years managing and not coding. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwtw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwuA">talk</a>) 01:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>


== Thanks ==
<h2 id="Thanks"> Thanks </h2>
Good catch and explanation re the honour item, sigh [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 03:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwuQ">Good catch and explanation re the honour item, sigh <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwug">JarrahTree</a> 03:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)</p>


== ''The Signpost'': 23 June 2017 ==
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== This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on ==


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'''[[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Allow private schools to be characterized as non-affiliated as well as religious, in infobox?]]'''


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Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.


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*15 June 2015 RfC: '''[[Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 28#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion]]'''.
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The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of '''omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' "''' and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, '''institutions''' etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "'''in any article'''".


<p id="mwxg">This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on (2 RfCs, actually, one less than six months ago and another a year ago). The new RfC is at:</p>
The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:


<p id="mwxw"><b id="mwyA"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Allow_private_schools_to_be_characterized_as_non-affiliated_as_well_as_religious.2C_in_infobox.3F" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)" id="mwyQ">Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Allow private schools to be characterized as non-affiliated as well as religious, in infobox?</a></b></p>
*31 December 2015 RfC: '''[[Template talk:Infobox/Archive 11#RfC: Religion in infoboxes|RfC: Religion in infoboxes]]'''.


<p id="mwyg">Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.</p>
The result of that RfC was that the "'''in all Wikipedia articles, without exception''', nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".


<p id="mwyw">The first RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:</p>
Note: I am informing everyone who commented on the above RfCs, whether they supported or opposed the final consensus. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 03:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


<ul id="mwzA"><li id="mwzQ">15 June 2015 RfC: <b id="mwzg"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template_talk:Infobox_person/Archive_28#RfC:_Religion_infobox_entries_for_individuals_that_have_no_religion" title="Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 28" id="mwzw">RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion</a></b>.</li></ul>
==EOFY greetings==
Hi I know that landmarks are not to everyones taste (?) - but have just dabbled with the Brisbane variety (mystified that NSW/Syd dont have any ?
I am sure other locations in QLD deserve attention from this specific category - just thought I'd mention in case you wanted to keep your eye out to add anything you thought appropriate - cheers - happy EOFY and all that [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 02:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|JarrahTree}} There is [[:Template:Brisbane landmarks]] but I don't think there's a corresponding category, so somebody cares about the topic. I don't get too engaged with it because it's inherently subjective what you regard as a landmark, whereas being a suburb of Brisbane or a heritage property in Brisbane is decidable on objective criteria. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 03:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
::I can understand your concern about the subjectivity - the thing is that there are templates for most Australian cities - but no corresponding categories [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 03:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't have a strong view either way on whether there should be a category. I'm not making them, but I'm not objecting to other people making them. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 03:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: fair enough - part of the reason of raising the issue was - in case you come across partial lists/items for places other than brisbane - a headsup would be appreciated - that is those that are not found easily - but I understand your position - no big deal, if no interest no bother... cheers [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 03:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::At the moment, I'm busy working with [[User:99of9]], [[User:Canley]], et al on setting up the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/479 mappings between Wikidata and the ABS State Suburbs] in the 2016 census. 6551 done, 1955 to go. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 03:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::: I do not have enough power in the superlative department to say how impressed and glad you three are doing exactly that!!! well done!!! [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 03:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::Actually we're still doing 2011... but I think there are tables of conversions that will make 2016 much easier. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:56, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I probably should have said "with an end goal of the 2016 census". [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 04:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: Presume you are fully au fait with the description of you in the latest Alia (May/June 2017) magazine incite - page 31 - I shall not repeat the epithet here lest it goes to your head, so to speak... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 06:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::No, I haven't. Perhaps a Top 10 WANTED poster with my head for the crime of failing to return my books by the due date? :-) [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 22:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Nah, make sure that Jacinta gets you a copy - then you will see what I mean [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 00:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|JarrahTree}} Thanks, I have seen a copy via Jacinta. Yes, it is nice. Pity there was no mention of Wikimedia Australia though. But still I guess WMAU can still file it away under its media collection (not sure WMAU has one but probably should). [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 00:17, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::: Kerry, thank you for your reply - I personally would have been much more effusive about getting that level of coverage in incite here on the noticeboard... - but the issue of wikipedia in the news (see email in the next day or soon re that) - there ''will'' be a page on the website sooner than later - and hope if you get reported in more exotic locations - you will be able to add yourself! I cannot get over the effectiveness of wikiclubs - and I do think it is an important and valuable way of getting editing legitimised and acceptable in the eyes of otherwise diffident areas of resistance, so to speak [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 00:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::Of course, the practical problem with "filing" this article in a WMAU media file is that it is 1) copyright so not able to be uploaded and 2) behind a paywall so you can't really link to it. Such is life! This is one of the reasons I linked GLAM/SLQ page to tweets and other social media, because I can't link things like the Incite article. While social media doesn't constitute reliable sources from the perspective of citations in Wikipedia articles, I think for a "WMAU in the media" page on the WMAU website, they are fine for that purpose. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 00:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


<p id="mw0A">The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of <b id="mw0Q">omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' "</b> and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, <b id="mw0g">institutions</b> etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "<b id="mw0w">in any article</b>".</p>
==Another opinion needed==


<p id="mw1A">The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:</p>
Hi Kerry, can you please take a look at [[Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette]] - as a librarian, you may have a better perspective and be able to help here. The draft was started by another editor back in March, then [[User:Doug butler|Doug Butler]] recently fleshed it out and submitted it, but this has now been knocked back twice, most recently on the grounds of being "not adequately supported by reliable sources". However, of all the comparable articles in the [[List of government gazettes]], only one has more citations (the US government's ''[[Federal Register]]'', and it has more than twice as many as the articles for the Canadian and UK governments' official publications. Given the subject matter of the article, I thought that this rejection was very unreasonable, and [[User_talk:DrStrauss/Archive_3#Trouted|trouted]] the most recent reviewing editor, but his response seems rather lame. (Disclaimer: I have met Doug Butler a few times when he came to the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide|Adelaide Wikipedia User Group]] meetings I organised over the past few years, and consider him one of our best local editors.) Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 02:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bahudhara}} It seems that [[User:The Drover's Wife]] beat me to it but I voiced my support in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACommonwealth_of_Australia_Gazette&type=revision&diff=788732530&oldid=788726655 this edit on the article's Talk page]. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 04:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


<ul id="mw1Q"><li id="mw1g">31 December 2015 RfC: <b id="mw1w"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template_talk:Infobox/Archive_11#RfC:_Religion_in_infoboxes" title="Template talk:Infobox/Archive 11" id="mw2A">RfC: Religion in infoboxes</a></b>.</li></ul>
== A kitten for you! ==


<p id="mw2Q">The result of that RfC was that the "<b id="mw2g">in all Wikipedia articles, without exception</b>, nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".</p>
[[File:Kitten-stare.jpg|left|150px]]
Thank you for all your work developing the Queensland Business Leaders Hall of Fame subpage!


<p id="mw2w">Note: I am informing everyone who commented on the above RfCs, whether they supported or opposed the final consensus. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Guy_Macon" title="User:Guy Macon" id="mw3A">Guy Macon</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Guy_Macon" title="User talk:Guy Macon" id="mw3Q">talk</a>) 03:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
[[User:JacintaJS|JacintaJS]] ([[User talk:JacintaJS|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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<h2 id="EOFY_greetings">EOFY greetings</h2>
== beyond the ''z'' zone! ==
<p id="mw3g">Hi I know that landmarks are not to everyones taste (?) - but have just dabbled with the Brisbane variety (mystified that NSW/Syd dont have any ?
Not only the appelations in the Incite magazine for all to see :)
I am sure other locations in QLD deserve attention from this specific category - just thought I'd mention in case you wanted to keep your eye out to add anything you thought appropriate - cheers - happy EOFY and all that <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw3w">JarrahTree</a> 02:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)</p>
<dl id="mw4A"><dd id="mw4Q"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt23" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"JarrahTree"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mw4g">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>:</span> There is <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template:Brisbane_landmarks" title="Template:Brisbane landmarks" id="mw4w">Template:Brisbane landmarks</a> but I don't think there's a corresponding category, so somebody cares about the topic. I don't get too engaged with it because it's inherently subjective what you regard as a landmark, whereas being a suburb of Brisbane or a heritage property in Brisbane is decidable on objective criteria. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw5A">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw5Q">talk</a>) 03:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw5g"><dd id="mw5w">I can understand your concern about the subjectivity - the thing is that there are templates for most Australian cities - but no corresponding categories <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw6A">JarrahTree</a> 03:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw6Q"><dd id="mw6g">I don't have a strong view either way on whether there should be a category. I'm not making them, but I'm not objecting to other people making them. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw6w">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw7A">talk</a>) 03:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw7Q"><dd id="mw7g"> fair enough - part of the reason of raising the issue was - in case you come across partial lists/items for places other than brisbane - a headsup would be appreciated - that is those that are not found easily - but I understand your position - no big deal, if no interest no bother... cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw7w">JarrahTree</a> 03:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw8A"><dd id="mw8Q">At the moment, I'm busy working with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:99of9" title="User:99of9" id="mw8g">User:99of9</a>, <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Canley" title="User:Canley" id="mw8w">User:Canley</a>, et al on setting up the <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/479" id="mw9A">mappings between Wikidata and the ABS State Suburbs</a> in the 2016 census. 6551 done, 1955 to go. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw9Q">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw9g">talk</a>) 03:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw9w"><dd id="mw-A"> I do not have enough power in the superlative department to say how impressed and glad you three are doing exactly that!!! well done!!! <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw-Q">JarrahTree</a> 03:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)</dd>
<dd id="mw-g">Actually we're still doing 2011... but I think there are tables of conversions that will make 2016 much easier. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:99of9" title="User:99of9" id="mw-w">99of9</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:99of9" title="User talk:99of9" id="mw_A">talk</a>) 03:56, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mw_Q"><dd id="mw_g">I probably should have said "with an end goal of the 2016 census". <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw_w">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQA">talk</a>) 04:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAQE"><dd id="mwAQI"> Presume you are fully au fait with the description of you in the latest Alia (May/June 2017) magazine incite - page 31 - I shall not repeat the epithet here lest it goes to your head, so to speak... <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAQM">JarrahTree</a> 06:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAQQ"><dd id="mwAQU">No, I haven't. Perhaps a Top 10 WANTED poster with my head for the crime of failing to return my books by the due date?<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace mw:Placeholder" id="mwAQY"> </span>:-) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQc">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQg">talk</a>) 22:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAQk"><dd id="mwAQo">Nah, make sure that Jacinta gets you a copy - then you will see what I mean <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAQs">JarrahTree</a> 00:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</dd>
<dd id="mwAQw"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt24" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"JarrahTree"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwAQ0">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>:</span> Thanks, I have seen a copy via Jacinta. Yes, it is nice. Pity there was no mention of Wikimedia Australia though. But still I guess WMAU can still file it away under its media collection (not sure WMAU has one but probably should). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQ4">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQ8">talk</a>) 00:17, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwARA"><dd id="mwARE"> Kerry, thank you for your reply - I personally would have been much more effusive about getting that level of coverage in incite here on the noticeboard... - but the issue of wikipedia in the news (see email in the next day or soon re that) - there <i id="mwARI">will</i> be a page on the website sooner than later - and hope if you get reported in more exotic locations - you will be able to add yourself! I cannot get over the effectiveness of wikiclubs - and I do think it is an important and valuable way of getting editing legitimised and acceptable in the eyes of otherwise diffident areas of resistance, so to speak <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwARM">JarrahTree</a> 00:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwARQ"><dd id="mwARU">Of course, the practical problem with "filing" this article in a WMAU media file is that it is 1) copyright so not able to be uploaded and 2) behind a paywall so you can't really link to it. Such is life! This is one of the reasons I linked GLAM/SLQ page to tweets and other social media, because I can't link things like the Incite article. While social media doesn't constitute reliable sources from the perspective of citations in Wikipedia articles, I think for a "WMAU in the media" page on the WMAU website, they are fine for that purpose. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwARY">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwARc">talk</a>) 00:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>


<h2 id="Another_opinion_needed">Another opinion needed</h2>
But about to welcome you to the highly esteemed <s>goon show</s>- you are but an edit or two away from the..


<p id="mwARg">Hi Kerry, can you please take a look at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Draft:Commonwealth_of_Australia_Gazette" title="Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette" id="mwARk" class="mw-redirect">Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette</a> - as a librarian, you may have a better perspective and be able to help here. The draft was started by another editor back in March, then <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Doug_butler" title="User:Doug butler" id="mwARo">Doug Butler</a> recently fleshed it out and submitted it, but this has now been knocked back twice, most recently on the grounds of being "not adequately supported by reliable sources". However, of all the comparable articles in the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_government_gazettes" title="List of government gazettes" id="mwARs">List of government gazettes</a>, only one has more citations (the US government's <i id="mwARw"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Federal_Register" title="Federal Register" id="mwAR0">Federal Register</a></i>, and it has more than twice as many as the articles for the Canadian and UK governments' official publications. Given the subject matter of the article, I thought that this rejection was very unreasonable, and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:DrStrauss/Archive_3#Trouted" title="User talk:DrStrauss/Archive 3" id="mwAR4">trouted</a> the most recent reviewing editor, but his response seems rather lame. (Disclaimer: I have met Doug Butler a few times when he came to the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide" id="mwAR8">Adelaide Wikipedia User Group</a> meetings I organised over the past few years, and consider him one of our best local editors.) Cheers, <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Bahudhara" title="User:Bahudhara" id="mwASA">Bahudhara</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Bahudhara" title="User talk:Bahudhara" id="mwASE">talk</a>) 02:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</p>
<nowiki>{{Userbox
<dl id="mwASI"><dd id="mwASM"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt25" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Bahudhara"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwASQ">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Bahudhara" title="User:Bahudhara">Bahudhara</a>:</span> It seems that <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:The_Drover's_Wife" title="User:The Drover's Wife" id="mwASU">User:The Drover's Wife</a> beat me to it but I voiced my support in <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACommonwealth_of_Australia_Gazette&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=788732530&amp;oldid=788726655" id="mwASY">this edit on the article's Talk page</a>. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwASc">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwASg">talk</a>) 04:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl>

<h2 id="A_kitten_for_you.21"> A kitten for you! </h2>

<figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:Image" id="mwASk"><a href="./File:Kitten-stare.jpg" id="mwASo"><img resource="./File:Kitten-stare.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/150px-Kitten-stare.jpg" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536" data-file-type="bitmap" height="113" width="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/300px-Kitten-stare.jpg 2x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/225px-Kitten-stare.jpg 1.5x" id="mwASs"/></a></figure>
<p id="mwASw">Thank you for all your work developing the Queensland Business Leaders Hall of Fame subpage! </p>

<p id="mwAS0"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JacintaJS" title="User:JacintaJS" id="mwAS4">JacintaJS</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:JacintaJS" title="User talk:JacintaJS" id="mwAS8">talk</a>) 00:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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<h2 id="beyond_the_z_zone.21"> beyond the <i id="mwATE">z</i> zone! </h2>
<p id="mwATI">Not only the appelations in the Incite magazine for all to see<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace mw:Placeholder" id="mwATM"> </span>:)</p>

<p id="mwATQ">But about to welcome you to the highly esteemed <s id="mwATU">goon show</s>- you are but an edit or two away from the..</p>

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It couldnt all have happened to a more dedicated wikipedian - well done on both the edit count, and the labels (which I am sure you will wear well) in Incite [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 07:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwATg">It couldnt all have happened to a more dedicated wikipedian - well done on both the edit count, and the labels (which I am sure you will wear well) in Incite <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwATk">JarrahTree</a> 07:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</p>


You might note that edit counting is frought - you can have up to 4 different totals as to what you have edited (I think) -
<p id="mwATo">You might note that edit counting is frought - you can have up to 4 different totals as to what you have edited (I think) -
I am taking from https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Kerry+Raymond - as good as any [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 10:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I am taking from <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&amp;target=Kerry+Raymond" id="mwATs">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&amp;target=Kerry+Raymond</a> - as good as any <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwATw">JarrahTree</a> 10:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</p>


== ''The Signpost'': 15 July 2017 ==
<h2 id="The_Signpost:_15_July_2017"> <i id="mwAT0">The Signpost</i>: 15 July 2017 </h2>


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== one of four ==
Hi - good to see you are spruiking - there are others there as well, so you dont need to carry the whole load :) [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 00:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


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== Hi Kerry ==


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Thanks for your help. I will try the easier referencing thing. Trove is so good!
[[User:Dippiljemmy|Dippiljemmy]] ([[User talk:Dippiljemmy|talk]]) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


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== Beenleigh ==


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[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beenleigh_Rum_Distillery.jpg This] is probably the most recent photo available (2016). I searched on Flickr and see images from 2014 like [https://www.flickr.com/photos/drainrat/13533310205/in/photolist-mBT7tx-mBU75L-mBUrwS-mBTxna-otfJ7V-mBTKCz-mBVjYQ-mBU4oH-mBTbDi this one] which appears to be of the abandoned distillery. Not sure if it was refurbished or maybe it is being made in a different distillery. Any ideas? --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 22:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|CNMall41}} The distillery is my local area and I know it has [https://www.beenleighrum.com.au/ recently reopened as a "craft" rum distillery] after having been closed for a few years (so the 2014 Flickr photos are probably from that period of closure). The "2016" photo you found is well-known to me (I uploaded it!). I found that photo on heritage register's website on a webpage last updated on 20 January 2016 (hence the date noted on Commons) but generally heritage register photos are taken at the time of their listing, so it probably was taken around 2004. The only way to know what it currently looks like is to go out and take some photos, hence the use of the template to alert local Wikipedians to the need. If you are not familiar with the template, it puts the photo into a local area category ([[:Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Logan City]] in this case), which includes [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wp-world/googlmaps-proxy.php?page=https:%2F%2Ftools.wmflabs.org%2Fkmlexport%3Farticle%3DCategory:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Logan_City&output=classic a map] which shows us locals where to go to take the required photos. Perhaps the template is used in a different way in your local area. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 00:24, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. Very familiar but wasn't sure an image would be available as it looked like the place had closed down. You clarified that though, thanks. I wish I was closer as I would go down and take the photo. Unfortunately, I am halfway across the world. Hopefully someone local will come through, though. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 22:55, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I will probably do it myself sooner or later, just a bit busy with outreach at the moment. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 00:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
==Localities==
Just noting that ABS now provides population counts for almost all localities at [http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/Home/2016%20QuickStats QuickStats].--[[User:Grahamec|Grahame]] ([[User talk:Grahamec|talk]]) 04:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Grahamec}} Yes, but I am expecting the ABS to release the 2016 census data cube "real soon now", so we should be able to automate the population by having the infobox call wikidata to supply the population values (famous last words!). That's why I am not manually adding any 2016 population data at this stage, as it may be wasted effort if the automated approach works. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 06:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. We will see how well that works.--[[User:Grahamec|Grahame]] ([[User talk:Grahamec|talk]]) 02:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


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== Ryan ==


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Hey, happy to defer to your Queensland knowledge here. This is kind of a difficult issue for us for a few reasons - after all, contemporary newspapers and even many books (especially, but not exclusively, older ones) default to referring to ''everyone'' by initials exclusively well into the 1950s and beyond. (A particularly famous case: [http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22s.m+bruce%22]) However we have generally avoided initials on Wikipedia - the only other examples I can think of are [[H. V. Evatt]] (which I also don't really agree with - why not Bert?) and [[H. G. Nelson]]. Generally this is really a ''style'' issue - I've seen plenty of books referring to E.G. Whitlam and R.G. Menzies, and even occasionally J.M. Fraser, R.J.L. Hawke and P.J. Keating. Trove of course does skew to older sources too: a Google Books certainly reveals a bit more on the Tom Ryan front ([https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&oq=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&gs_l=psy-ab.3...299085.299266.0.299608.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..3.0.0.cbdoFlGAZF0]), although admittedly not nearly as much as T.J. [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&oq=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&gs_l=psy-ab.3...57488.58945.0.59372.8.8.0.0.0.0.327.599.2-1j1.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..7.0.0.8slQWru0iTM]. I won't object if you want to move it back.


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:I imagine his family and friends might have called him Tom, but I suspect he couldn't be commonly known as Tom Ryan in public life because of the earlier [[Tommy Ryan (politican)]]. Both were Thomas Joseph Ryan, both were Labor, and both were the member for [[Electoral district of Barcoo]], but were not related to one another as far as I know. That's quite a coincidence, and I am guessing that led to a need to distinguish between the two men and why T.J. acquired the moniker he did (whether by his choice or the newspapers). I think I will move the article back to T.J. Ryan as Tom Ryan really doesn't sit comfortably with me. I might add in a hatnote for Tommy Ryan (whose own article hatnotes T.J.'s). [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 01:16, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
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<h2 id="one_of_four"> one of four </h2>
::I did not know about the other one! Seems to be something of a Queensland tradition, though, with similar names (two Tom Foleys, two David Thomsons, at least three Don Camerons, etc.). [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 00:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
<p id="mwAUg">Hi - good to see you are spruiking - there are others there as well, so you dont need to carry the whole load<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace mw:Placeholder" id="mwAUk"> </span>:) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAUo">JarrahTree</a> 00:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)</p>


<h2 id="Hi_Kerry"> Hi Kerry </h2>
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<h2 id="Beenleigh"> Beenleigh </h2>
== Qld MLAs/MLCs ==


<p id="mwAU4"><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beenleigh_Rum_Distillery.jpg" id="mwAU8">This</a> is probably the most recent photo available (2016). I searched on Flickr and see images from 2014 like <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/drainrat/13533310205/in/photolist-mBT7tx-mBU75L-mBUrwS-mBTxna-otfJ7V-mBTKCz-mBVjYQ-mBU4oH-mBTbDi" id="mwAVA">this one</a> which appears to be of the abandoned distillery. Not sure if it was refurbished or maybe it is being made in a different distillery. Any ideas? --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41" id="mwAVE">CNMall41</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:CNMall41" title="User talk:CNMall41" id="mwAVI">talk</a>) 22:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)</p>
In unfortunate timing, I have actually just moved off Queensland politicians into SA; I am moving through the candidates pages and bringing them all back to the formation of the Nationalist Party in 1917. Once I've finished SA and WA back to that point, though, I will be returning to Queensland (and Victoria and Tasmania) and attempting to sort out the godawful mess that is pre-1917 liberal/conservative party/party-adjacent politics (candidates pages are a great way of clarifying these sorts of things before looking at electorate pages or the members lists). In the distant future when that happens, I will certainly keep an eye out for possible candidates for you - if you haven't got to them all by then, of course! I would offer to send some SA politicians your way (there are MANY tiny stubs), but I know you're Queensland-focused and anyway SA has by far the worst parliamentary website for biographies so they'd be a lot tougher to fix for trainees. (If I may offer a few non-biographical suggestions: I threw together [[Northern Country Party]] from very little and it could use some work, and the virtually-untouched-since-2006-or-so [[Douglas Credit Party]] also needs sorting out since I suspect it's trying to cover about three separate parties at the moment. I don't know if these might be too complicated for your purposes though.)
<dl id="mwAVM"><dd id="mwAVQ"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt32" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"CNMall41"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwAVU">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41">CNMall41</a>:</span> The distillery is my local area and I know it has <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.beenleighrum.com.au/" id="mwAVY">recently reopened as a "craft" rum distillery</a> after having been closed for a few years (so the 2014 Flickr photos are probably from that period of closure). The "2016" photo you found is well-known to me (I uploaded it!). I found that photo on heritage register's website on a webpage last updated on 20 January 2016 (hence the date noted on Commons) but generally heritage register photos are taken at the time of their listing, so it probably was taken around 2004. The only way to know what it currently looks like is to go out and take some photos, hence the use of the template to alert local Wikipedians to the need. If you are not familiar with the template, it puts the photo into a local area category (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Logan_City" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Logan City" id="mwAVc">Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Logan City</a> in this case), which includes <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/wp-world/googlmaps-proxy.php?page=https:%2F%2Ftools.wmflabs.org%2Fkmlexport%3Farticle%3DCategory:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Logan_City&amp;output=classic" id="mwAVg">a map</a> which shows us locals where to go to take the required photos. Perhaps the template is used in a different way in your local area. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAVk">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAVo">talk</a>) 00:24, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAVs"><dd id="mwAVw">Thanks. Very familiar but wasn't sure an image would be available as it looked like the place had closed down. You clarified that though, thanks. I wish I was closer as I would go down and take the photo. Unfortunately, I am halfway across the world. Hopefully someone local will come through, though. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41" id="mwAV0">CNMall41</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:CNMall41" title="User talk:CNMall41" id="mwAV4">talk</a>) 22:55, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAV8"><dd id="mwAWA">I will probably do it myself sooner or later, just a bit busy with outreach at the moment. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWE">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWI">talk</a>) 00:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
<h2 id="Localities">Localities</h2>
<p id="mwAWM">Just noting that ABS now provides population counts for almost all localities at <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/Home/2016%20QuickStats" id="mwAWQ">QuickStats</a>.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec" id="mwAWU">Grahame</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Grahamec" title="User talk:Grahamec" id="mwAWY">talk</a>) 04:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</p>
<dl id="mwAWc"><dd id="mwAWg"><span class="template-ping" about="#mwt33" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Grahamec"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwAWk">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec">Grahamec</a>:</span> Yes, but I am expecting the ABS to release the 2016 census data cube "real soon now", so we should be able to automate the population by having the infobox call wikidata to supply the population values (famous last words!). That's why I am not manually adding any 2016 population data at this stage, as it may be wasted effort if the automated approach works. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWo">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWs">talk</a>) 06:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAWw"><dd id="mwAW0">Thanks. We will see how well that works.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec" id="mwAW4">Grahame</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Grahamec" title="User talk:Grahamec" id="mwAW8">talk</a>) 02:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>


<h2 id="Ryan"> Ryan </h2>
As a final point, bless you for the work you do with trainees. Goodness knows we need more active editors and if these training programs net us even a handful it would be a huge boon for the project (and of course even if they don't they still produce valuable work). [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 14:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:That is fascinating about Visual Editor, something I turned off the minute it arrived and haven't given a thought to since. I suppose it probably does make things much more intuitive when you're starting out. [[User:Frickeg|Frickeg]] ([[User talk:Frickeg|talk]]) 00:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
::If you don't use it for anything else, use the VE for working with tables (I couldn't go back to doing it with syntax). There are a few advanced things you can't do with tables in the Visual Editor, but you can just switch back to the source editor to do those after you've done the bulk of the work of populating the table visually. It's a massive time saver. I use the VE myself now for most of my editing of content and mainly use source editor for heavy-duty template work. The VE works quite well at populating simple templates, and indeed very well if that template has had Template Data added to it so the VE can present it to the user to fill in with information/examples on the fields, marked as mandatory/suggested/deprecated etc, which are the basic fields (always shown) and which are the more advanced fields (user asks for these) and so on. I have added Template Data to my favourite templates because I find it very convenient when I use templates. I feel using both editors makes me more productive as I can use the best tool for any task and can flick between them even within a single edit. Try it! Preferences > Editing > make sure "Disable the VE" is un-ticked and set "editing mode" to "Show both tabs" and you can then use either one as much or as little as you want. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 00:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


<p id="mwAXA">Hey, happy to defer to your Queensland knowledge here. This is kind of a difficult issue for us for a few reasons - after all, contemporary newspapers and even many books (especially, but not exclusively, older ones) default to referring to <i id="mwAXE">everyone</i> by initials exclusively well into the 1950s and beyond. (A particularly famous case: <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22s.m+bruce%22" id="mwAXI"></a>) However we have generally avoided initials on Wikipedia - the only other examples I can think of are <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./H._V._Evatt" title="H. V. Evatt" id="mwAXM">H. V. Evatt</a> (which I also don't really agree with - why not Bert?) and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./H._G._Nelson" title="H. G. Nelson" id="mwAXQ">H. G. Nelson</a>. Generally this is really a <i id="mwAXU">style</i> issue - I've seen plenty of books referring to E.G. Whitlam and R.G. Menzies, and even occasionally J.M. Fraser, R.J.L. Hawke and P.J. Keating. Trove of course does skew to older sources too: a Google Books certainly reveals a bit more on the Tom Ryan front (<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&amp;q=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&amp;oq=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&amp;gs_l=psy-ab.3...299085.299266.0.299608.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..3.0.0.cbdoFlGAZF0" id="mwAXY"></a>), although admittedly not nearly as much as T.J. <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&amp;q=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&amp;oq=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&amp;gs_l=psy-ab.3...57488.58945.0.59372.8.8.0.0.0.0.327.599.2-1j1.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..7.0.0.8slQWru0iTM" id="mwAXc"></a>. I won't object if you want to move it back.</p>


<p id="mwAXg">(Sidenote: I really hate <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" id="mwAXk" class="mw-redirect">WP:COMMONNAME</a>, and am getting in a bad habit of whinging about it to whoever I can. I'll spare you most of it, but suffice to say I wish we just had an ACCURATENAME guideline and could have everyone living at their full, unambiguous names - so Thomas Joseph Ryan here. But it's way too late to change things now.) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAXo">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAXs">talk</a>) 07:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</p>
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<dl id="mwAXw"><dd id="mwAX0">I imagine his family and friends might have called him Tom, but I suspect he couldn't be commonly known as Tom Ryan in public life because of the earlier <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Tommy_Ryan_(politican)" title="Tommy Ryan (politican)" id="mwAX4" class="new">Tommy Ryan (politican)</a>. Both were Thomas Joseph Ryan, both were Labor, and both were the member for <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Electoral_district_of_Barcoo" title="Electoral district of Barcoo" id="mwAX8">Electoral district of Barcoo</a>, but were not related to one another as far as I know. That's quite a coincidence, and I am guessing that led to a need to distinguish between the two men and why T.J. acquired the moniker he did (whether by his choice or the newspapers). I think I will move the article back to T.J. Ryan as Tom Ryan really doesn't sit comfortably with me. I might add in a hatnote for Tommy Ryan (whose own article hatnotes T.J.'s). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAYA">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAYE">talk</a>) 01:16, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl>
Hello Kerry,

<dl id="mwAYI"><dd id="mwAYM"><dl id="mwAYQ"><dd id="mwAYU">I did not know about the other one! Seems to be something of a Queensland tradition, though, with similar names (two Tom Foleys, two David Thomsons, at least three Don Camerons, etc.). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAYY">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAYc">talk</a>) 00:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>

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<h2 id="Qld_MLAs.2FMLCs"> Qld MLAs/MLCs </h2>

<p id="mwAZM">In unfortunate timing, I have actually just moved off Queensland politicians into SA; I am moving through the candidates pages and bringing them all back to the formation of the Nationalist Party in 1917. Once I've finished SA and WA back to that point, though, I will be returning to Queensland (and Victoria and Tasmania) and attempting to sort out the godawful mess that is pre-1917 liberal/conservative party/party-adjacent politics (candidates pages are a great way of clarifying these sorts of things before looking at electorate pages or the members lists). In the distant future when that happens, I will certainly keep an eye out for possible candidates for you - if you haven't got to them all by then, of course! I would offer to send some SA politicians your way (there are MANY tiny stubs), but I know you're Queensland-focused and anyway SA has by far the worst parliamentary website for biographies so they'd be a lot tougher to fix for trainees. (If I may offer a few non-biographical suggestions: I threw together <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Northern_Country_Party" title="Northern Country Party" id="mwAZQ">Northern Country Party</a> from very little and it could use some work, and the virtually-untouched-since-2006-or-so <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Douglas_Credit_Party" title="Douglas Credit Party" id="mwAZU">Douglas Credit Party</a> also needs sorting out since I suspect it's trying to cover about three separate parties at the moment. I don't know if these might be too complicated for your purposes though.)</p>

<p id="mwAZY">As a final point, bless you for the work you do with trainees. Goodness knows we need more active editors and if these training programs net us even a handful it would be a huge boon for the project (and of course even if they don't they still produce valuable work). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAZc">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAZg">talk</a>) 14:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</p>
<dl id="mwAZk"><dd id="mwAZo">That is fascinating about Visual Editor, something I turned off the minute it arrived and haven't given a thought to since. I suppose it probably does make things much more intuitive when you're starting out. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAZs">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAZw">talk</a>) 00:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
<dl id="mwAZ0"><dd id="mwAZ4">If you don't use it for anything else, use the VE for working with tables (I couldn't go back to doing it with syntax). There are a few advanced things you can't do with tables in the Visual Editor, but you can just switch back to the source editor to do those after you've done the bulk of the work of populating the table visually. It's a massive time saver. I use the VE myself now for most of my editing of content and mainly use source editor for heavy-duty template work. The VE works quite well at populating simple templates, and indeed very well if that template has had Template Data added to it so the VE can present it to the user to fill in with information/examples on the fields, marked as mandatory/suggested/deprecated etc, which are the basic fields (always shown) and which are the more advanced fields (user asks for these) and so on. I have added Template Data to my favourite templates because I find it very convenient when I use templates. I feel using both editors makes me more productive as I can use the best tool for any task and can flick between them even within a single edit. Try it! Preferences > Editing > make sure "Disable the VE" is un-ticked and set "editing mode" to "Show both tabs" and you can then use either one as much or as little as you want. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAZ8">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAaA">talk</a>) 00:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>

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<h2 id="Peace_Treaty_between_USA_and_North_Korea"> Peace Treaty between USA and North Korea </h2>

<p id="mwAaM">Hello Kerry,
It was article that I created previously and it was deleted because of other Wiki admin person's view.
It was article that I created previously and it was deleted because of other Wiki admin person's view.
Could you please let me know whether I can get your feedback for the improvement items for this article?
Could you please let me know whether I can get your feedback for the improvement items for this article?
Subject: "Peace Treaty between USA and North Korea" [[User:Goodtiming8871|Goodtiming8871]] ([[User talk:Goodtiming8871|talk]]) 23:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Subject: "Peace Treaty between USA and North Korea" <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Goodtiming8871" title="User:Goodtiming8871" id="mwAaQ">Goodtiming8871</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Goodtiming8871" title="User talk:Goodtiming8871" id="mwAaU">talk</a>) 23:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)</p>

<p id="mwAaY">i am overseas with no computer at the moment, but I will ask if <span class="template-ping" about="#mwt35" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Shiftchange"}},"i":0}}]}' id="mwAac">@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Shiftchange" title="User:Shiftchange">Shiftchange</a>:</span> can help. If you don't have a copy of the article, you should be able to get it back into your user space with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:REFUND" title="Wikipedia:REFUND" id="mwAag" class="mw-redirect">WP:REFUND</a> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAak">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAao">talk</a>) 05:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)</p></div></body></html>

== VEFriendly is broken ==
Hi Kerry,


i am overseas with no computer at the moment, but I will ask if {{Ping|Shiftchange}} can help. If you don't have a copy of the article, you should be able to get it back into your user space with [[WP:REFUND]] [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond#top|talk]]) 05:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to go turn off {{tl|VEFriendly}}, because something's gone dreadfully wrong with it. It's showing raw HTML inside VisualEditor's wikitext mode, rather than the expected visual mode. Please feel free to revert and review the next time you're on wiki. [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:25, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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Sisters of St. Joseph of the Sacred Heart


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Merry Christmas and happy new year

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Merry Christmas and happy new year. (:

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Brisbane Meetup in January 2016

Hi there! I'm dropping you this notice as you've indicated on your userpage that you're a Wikipedian in the Brisbane area. To celebrate fifteen years of Wikipedia, we are holding a celebration in Brisbane on the 16th of January and you are invited! For further information, and to register your interest, please see <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane/10" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane/10" id="mwFQ">our meetup page</a>. Hope to see you there!

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<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Electoral_district_of_Rockhampton_North" title="Electoral district of Rockhampton North" id="mwGw">Rockhampton North</a> by-election in October of 1901

Greetings Kerry, we haven't chatted for a while!! Looking at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_Queensland_state_by-elections" title="List of Queensland state by-elections" id="mwHQ">List of Queensland state by-elections</a>, did the North Rockhampton seat have a by-election in October or was the previous by-election held in June just over-ruled on by the courts in October? I can't find anything for a by-election in October?

Booubyjan, Queensland

<figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:Image"><a href="./User_talk:Tobyc75#Booubyjan.2C_Queensland"><img resource="./File:Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" data-file-type="drawing" height="40" width="40" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x"/></a></figure>Hello, Kerry Raymond. You have new messages at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Tobyc75#Booubyjan.2C_Queensland" title="User talk:Tobyc75">Tobyc75's talk page</a>.
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Speedy deletion nomination of List of culture icons of Queensland

Hello Kerry Raymond,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_culture_icons_of_Queensland" title="List of culture icons of Queensland" id="mwIQ" class="new">List of culture icons of Queensland</a> for deletion in response to your request.

If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can <a typeof="mw:ExpandedAttrs" about="#mwt30" rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList+of+culture+icons+of+Queensland&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+" data-mw='{"attribs":[[{"txt":"href"},{"html":"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=<span about=\"#mwt12\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid='{\"pi\":[[]],\"dsr\":[3004,3058,null,null]}' data-mw='{\"parts\":[{\"template\":{\"target\":{\"wt\":\"urlencode:Talk:List of culture icons of Queensland\",\"function\":\"urlencode\"},\"params\":{},\"i\":0}}]}'>Talk%3AList+of+culture+icons+of+Queensland</span>&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new&amp;preload=Template:Hangon_preload&amp;preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+"}]]}' id="mwJQ">contest this deletion</a>, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Xx236" title="User talk:Xx236" id="mwJw">my talk page</a> if you have questions.

<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Xx236" title="User:Xx236" id="mwKQ">Xx236</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Xx236" title="User talk:Xx236" id="mwKg">talk</a>) 09:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Please contact

Directly by email, would be very useful, we need a conversation - thanks <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwLA">JarrahTree</a> 05:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your time yesterday - much appreciated - the following is the most cogent overliew linked item I have seen to date - please either forward or refer to if anyone wants to locally feedback at all -

<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2" id="mwLg">Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)</a>

<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Updates/Cycle%202%20discussions%20launch" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Updates/Cycle 2 discussions launch" id="mwMw">Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki</a>

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The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Cycle%202" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 2" id="mwOQ">5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations</a> - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.

You are invited to <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Participate" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate" id="mwOw">join the online and offline discussions taking place</a> on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.

Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:

On the <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia%20movement/2017/Participate" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Participate" id="mwSQ">movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki</a>, you can find more information about each of these themes, their discussions, and how to participate.

The Australian wikimedia chapter is collecting a range of responses - any further details or questions please contact strategy@wikimedia.org.au

Thank you - I realise you have already offered ideas and opinions - but there a few days left - if perchance a stray enquiry falls your way the above would provide an easy way in. Thanks again <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwTQ">JarrahTree</a> 00:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Using the Oz project inside the welcome - see an eg at <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Astark80" id="mwTw">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Astark80</a> - cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwUA">JarrahTree</a> 02:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion" id="mwUQ">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Blue_Care" title="Blue Care" id="mwUg">Blue Care</a>

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A tag has been placed on <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Blue_Care" title="Blue Care" id="mwWA">Blue Care</a>, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G11" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion" id="mwWQ">section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam" id="mwWg">the guidelines on spam</a> and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations" title="Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations" id="mwWw">Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations</a> for more information.

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Really? <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwbQ">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwbg">talk</a>) 23:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of a load of Brisbane/Queensland local football clubs for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether several articles about Brisbane local football clubs are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines" id="mwdA">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a> or whether they should be <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy" id="mwdQ">deleted</a>.

The article will be discussed at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Centenary_Stormers_FC" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC" id="mwdw">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC</a> until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Tests Visual Editor edit on talk page

Very nice, although I do miss having a nice convenient "new section" button to push. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Lankiveil" title="User:Lankiveil" id="mwfA">Lankiveil</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Lankiveil" title="User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwfg">speak to me</a>) 11:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC).

PS: I don't know if you know but over at Wikidata they have enabled the "Flow" tool for user talk pages, on an opt-in basis. <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Lankiveil" title="d:User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwgQ">Check it out!</a>. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Lankiveil" title="User:Lankiveil" id="mwgg">Lankiveil</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Lankiveil" title="User talk:Lankiveil" id="mwhA">speak to me</a>) 11:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC).
Yes, it would be nicer if the VE supported section editing and I am not sure if this is a major problem to implement or simply not a priority. I thought Flow was "dead" but evidently not. I hope you will be putting a "Edit with VE" button on your User Talk page. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwhw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwiA">talk</a>) 22:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
It's in the "major problem to implement" category, especially for re-used citations (either one already on the page in some other section, or one that you re-use in that section [because VisualEditor might auto-assign it a ref name that has already been used in a different part of the page]). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)" id="mwiw">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)" id="mwjA">talk</a>) 16:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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State Strategic Tourist Routes in Queensland

Hi Kerry, It appears that the travel times given in the Qld Govt refs for these routes are estimated elapsed times including rest, eat and sleep allowances, not driving times. After making a couple of edits and then realising the above I decided to hand it over to you to sort out. Cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwmQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwmg">talk</a>) 10:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was guessing, when they come up with a time that suggested they were travelling at about 10 km/h. But it seems they are inconsistent in their reporting because some of the times stated do seem consistent with what I would expect for just driving (where the numbers suggest about 80km/h). I might just omit the times for the ones that are clearly not driving times. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwnQ">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwng">talk</a>) 01:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
I have made some changes to those that suggest very slow travel. Hope they are OK. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwoQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwog">talk</a>) 03:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Francis Drummond Greville Stanley

Hi Kerry, Re: Works - Perc Tucker Regional Gallery, Townsville. Should not the original name of this building (Union Bank of Australia, Townsville) precede the current name in this list? Cheers, John. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwpA">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwpQ">talk</a>) 01:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Good catch! Thanks! Done! <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwqA">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwqQ">talk</a>) 02:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

any chance of a 5 minute phone call ?

<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwqw">JarrahTree</a> 02:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

The Park Centre for Mental Health

Hi Kerry, Me again with another silly question. This article contains links to itself from each of the institution's former names, which I found rather confusing. Is this as intended, and, if so, does it comply with WP guidelines? Cheers, John <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43" id="mwrQ">Downsize43</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Downsize43" title="User talk:Downsize43" id="mwrg">talk</a>) 01:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Downsize43" title="User:Downsize43">Downsize43</a>: Self links are discouraged in articles (other than to sections). But these are not self-links as they are redirects, and a redirect might sprout into a separate article at some time, so redirects are a bit of a grey zone as some are just alternative names and probably should be removed, others are a case of "best article to touch on the topic" (so probably should stay). Former names are sort-of in-between as often former names of a place can be associated with a very different use and potentially separate articles. In this case, the former names are probably not likely to sprout their own article. Summary: do whatever you like :-) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwsw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwtA">talk</a>) 01:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
PPS. There's some COBOL (and other long forgotten languages) in my dark past too. Mostly I use Python these days but very rusty, too many years managing and not coding. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwtw">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwuA">talk</a>) 01:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Good catch and explanation re the honour item, sigh <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwug">JarrahTree</a> 03:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on

This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on (2 RfCs, actually, one less than six months ago and another a year ago). The new RfC is at:

<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Allow_private_schools_to_be_characterized_as_non-affiliated_as_well_as_religious.2C_in_infobox.3F" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)" id="mwyQ">Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Allow private schools to be characterized as non-affiliated as well as religious, in infobox?</a>

Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.

The first RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

  • 15 June 2015 RfC: <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template_talk:Infobox_person/Archive_28#RfC:_Religion_infobox_entries_for_individuals_that_have_no_religion" title="Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 28" id="mwzw">RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion</a>.

The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' " and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, institutions etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "in any article".

The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

  • 31 December 2015 RfC: <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template_talk:Infobox/Archive_11#RfC:_Religion_in_infoboxes" title="Template talk:Infobox/Archive 11" id="mw2A">RfC: Religion in infoboxes</a>.

The result of that RfC was that the "in all Wikipedia articles, without exception, nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".

Note: I am informing everyone who commented on the above RfCs, whether they supported or opposed the final consensus. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Guy_Macon" title="User:Guy Macon" id="mw3A">Guy Macon</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Guy_Macon" title="User talk:Guy Macon" id="mw3Q">talk</a>) 03:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

EOFY greetings

Hi I know that landmarks are not to everyones taste (?) - but have just dabbled with the Brisbane variety (mystified that NSW/Syd dont have any ? I am sure other locations in QLD deserve attention from this specific category - just thought I'd mention in case you wanted to keep your eye out to add anything you thought appropriate - cheers - happy EOFY and all that <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw3w">JarrahTree</a> 02:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>: There is <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Template:Brisbane_landmarks" title="Template:Brisbane landmarks" id="mw4w">Template:Brisbane landmarks</a> but I don't think there's a corresponding category, so somebody cares about the topic. I don't get too engaged with it because it's inherently subjective what you regard as a landmark, whereas being a suburb of Brisbane or a heritage property in Brisbane is decidable on objective criteria. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw5A">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw5Q">talk</a>) 03:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I can understand your concern about the subjectivity - the thing is that there are templates for most Australian cities - but no corresponding categories <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw6A">JarrahTree</a> 03:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't have a strong view either way on whether there should be a category. I'm not making them, but I'm not objecting to other people making them. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw6w">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw7A">talk</a>) 03:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
fair enough - part of the reason of raising the issue was - in case you come across partial lists/items for places other than brisbane - a headsup would be appreciated - that is those that are not found easily - but I understand your position - no big deal, if no interest no bother... cheers <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw7w">JarrahTree</a> 03:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
At the moment, I'm busy working with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:99of9" title="User:99of9" id="mw8g">User:99of9</a>, <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Canley" title="User:Canley" id="mw8w">User:Canley</a>, et al on setting up the <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/479" id="mw9A">mappings between Wikidata and the ABS State Suburbs</a> in the 2016 census. 6551 done, 1955 to go. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw9Q">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mw9g">talk</a>) 03:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I do not have enough power in the superlative department to say how impressed and glad you three are doing exactly that!!! well done!!! <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mw-Q">JarrahTree</a> 03:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually we're still doing 2011... but I think there are tables of conversions that will make 2016 much easier. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:99of9" title="User:99of9" id="mw-w">99of9</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:99of9" title="User talk:99of9" id="mw_A">talk</a>) 03:56, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I probably should have said "with an end goal of the 2016 census". <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mw_w">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQA">talk</a>) 04:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Presume you are fully au fait with the description of you in the latest Alia (May/June 2017) magazine incite - page 31 - I shall not repeat the epithet here lest it goes to your head, so to speak... <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAQM">JarrahTree</a> 06:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
No, I haven't. Perhaps a Top 10 WANTED poster with my head for the crime of failing to return my books by the due date? :-) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQc">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQg">talk</a>) 22:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Nah, make sure that Jacinta gets you a copy - then you will see what I mean <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAQs">JarrahTree</a> 00:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a>: Thanks, I have seen a copy via Jacinta. Yes, it is nice. Pity there was no mention of Wikimedia Australia though. But still I guess WMAU can still file it away under its media collection (not sure WMAU has one but probably should). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQ4">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAQ8">talk</a>) 00:17, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Kerry, thank you for your reply - I personally would have been much more effusive about getting that level of coverage in incite here on the noticeboard... - but the issue of wikipedia in the news (see email in the next day or soon re that) - there will be a page on the website sooner than later - and hope if you get reported in more exotic locations - you will be able to add yourself! I cannot get over the effectiveness of wikiclubs - and I do think it is an important and valuable way of getting editing legitimised and acceptable in the eyes of otherwise diffident areas of resistance, so to speak <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwARM">JarrahTree</a> 00:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Of course, the practical problem with "filing" this article in a WMAU media file is that it is 1) copyright so not able to be uploaded and 2) behind a paywall so you can't really link to it. Such is life! This is one of the reasons I linked GLAM/SLQ page to tweets and other social media, because I can't link things like the Incite article. While social media doesn't constitute reliable sources from the perspective of citations in Wikipedia articles, I think for a "WMAU in the media" page on the WMAU website, they are fine for that purpose. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwARY">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwARc">talk</a>) 00:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Another opinion needed

Hi Kerry, can you please take a look at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Draft:Commonwealth_of_Australia_Gazette" title="Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette" id="mwARk" class="mw-redirect">Draft:Commonwealth of Australia Gazette</a> - as a librarian, you may have a better perspective and be able to help here. The draft was started by another editor back in March, then <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Doug_butler" title="User:Doug butler" id="mwARo">Doug Butler</a> recently fleshed it out and submitted it, but this has now been knocked back twice, most recently on the grounds of being "not adequately supported by reliable sources". However, of all the comparable articles in the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./List_of_government_gazettes" title="List of government gazettes" id="mwARs">List of government gazettes</a>, only one has more citations (the US government's <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Federal_Register" title="Federal Register" id="mwAR0">Federal Register</a>, and it has more than twice as many as the articles for the Canadian and UK governments' official publications. Given the subject matter of the article, I thought that this rejection was very unreasonable, and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:DrStrauss/Archive_3#Trouted" title="User talk:DrStrauss/Archive 3" id="mwAR4">trouted</a> the most recent reviewing editor, but his response seems rather lame. (Disclaimer: I have met Doug Butler a few times when he came to the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide" id="mwAR8">Adelaide Wikipedia User Group</a> meetings I organised over the past few years, and consider him one of our best local editors.) Cheers, <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Bahudhara" title="User:Bahudhara" id="mwASA">Bahudhara</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Bahudhara" title="User talk:Bahudhara" id="mwASE">talk</a>) 02:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Bahudhara" title="User:Bahudhara">Bahudhara</a>: It seems that <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:The_Drover's_Wife" title="User:The Drover's Wife" id="mwASU">User:The Drover's Wife</a> beat me to it but I voiced my support in <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACommonwealth_of_Australia_Gazette&type=revision&diff=788732530&oldid=788726655" id="mwASY">this edit on the article's Talk page</a>. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwASc">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwASg">talk</a>) 04:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

<figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:Image" id="mwASk"><a href="./File:Kitten-stare.jpg" id="mwASo"><img resource="./File:Kitten-stare.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/150px-Kitten-stare.jpg" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536" data-file-type="bitmap" height="113" width="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/300px-Kitten-stare.jpg 2x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Kitten-stare.jpg/225px-Kitten-stare.jpg 1.5x" id="mwASs"/></a></figure>

Thank you for all your work developing the Queensland Business Leaders Hall of Fame subpage!

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beyond the z zone!

Not only the appelations in the Incite magazine for all to see :)

But about to welcome you to the highly esteemed goon show- you are but an edit or two away from the..

<font color="gold">This user has been awarded with the 100000 Edits award.
- (its your choice to unpack and put somewhere you like..)

It couldnt all have happened to a more dedicated wikipedian - well done on both the edit count, and the labels (which I am sure you will wear well) in Incite <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwATk">JarrahTree</a> 07:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

You might note that edit counting is frought - you can have up to 4 different totals as to what you have edited (I think) - I am taking from <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Kerry+Raymond" id="mwATs">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Kerry+Raymond</a> - as good as any <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwATw">JarrahTree</a> 10:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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one of four

Hi - good to see you are spruiking - there are others there as well, so you dont need to carry the whole load :) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree" id="mwAUo">JarrahTree</a> 00:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kerry

Thanks for your help. I will try the easier referencing thing. Trove is so good! <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Dippiljemmy" title="User:Dippiljemmy" id="mwAUw" class="new">Dippiljemmy</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Dippiljemmy" title="User talk:Dippiljemmy" id="mwAU0">talk</a>) 13:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Beenleigh

<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beenleigh_Rum_Distillery.jpg" id="mwAU8">This</a> is probably the most recent photo available (2016). I searched on Flickr and see images from 2014 like <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/drainrat/13533310205/in/photolist-mBT7tx-mBU75L-mBUrwS-mBTxna-otfJ7V-mBTKCz-mBVjYQ-mBU4oH-mBTbDi" id="mwAVA">this one</a> which appears to be of the abandoned distillery. Not sure if it was refurbished or maybe it is being made in a different distillery. Any ideas? --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41" id="mwAVE">CNMall41</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:CNMall41" title="User talk:CNMall41" id="mwAVI">talk</a>) 22:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41">CNMall41</a>: The distillery is my local area and I know it has <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.beenleighrum.com.au/" id="mwAVY">recently reopened as a "craft" rum distillery</a> after having been closed for a few years (so the 2014 Flickr photos are probably from that period of closure). The "2016" photo you found is well-known to me (I uploaded it!). I found that photo on heritage register's website on a webpage last updated on 20 January 2016 (hence the date noted on Commons) but generally heritage register photos are taken at the time of their listing, so it probably was taken around 2004. The only way to know what it currently looks like is to go out and take some photos, hence the use of the template to alert local Wikipedians to the need. If you are not familiar with the template, it puts the photo into a local area category (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Logan_City" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Logan City" id="mwAVc">Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Logan City</a> in this case), which includes <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/wp-world/googlmaps-proxy.php?page=https:%2F%2Ftools.wmflabs.org%2Fkmlexport%3Farticle%3DCategory:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Logan_City&output=classic" id="mwAVg">a map</a> which shows us locals where to go to take the required photos. Perhaps the template is used in a different way in your local area. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAVk">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAVo">talk</a>) 00:24, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Very familiar but wasn't sure an image would be available as it looked like the place had closed down. You clarified that though, thanks. I wish I was closer as I would go down and take the photo. Unfortunately, I am halfway across the world. Hopefully someone local will come through, though. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:CNMall41" title="User:CNMall41" id="mwAV0">CNMall41</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:CNMall41" title="User talk:CNMall41" id="mwAV4">talk</a>) 22:55, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
I will probably do it myself sooner or later, just a bit busy with outreach at the moment. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWE">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWI">talk</a>) 00:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Localities

Just noting that ABS now provides population counts for almost all localities at <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/Home/2016%20QuickStats" id="mwAWQ">QuickStats</a>.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec" id="mwAWU">Grahame</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Grahamec" title="User talk:Grahamec" id="mwAWY">talk</a>) 04:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec">Grahamec</a>: Yes, but I am expecting the ABS to release the 2016 census data cube "real soon now", so we should be able to automate the population by having the infobox call wikidata to supply the population values (famous last words!). That's why I am not manually adding any 2016 population data at this stage, as it may be wasted effort if the automated approach works. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWo">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAWs">talk</a>) 06:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. We will see how well that works.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Grahamec" title="User:Grahamec" id="mwAW4">Grahame</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Grahamec" title="User talk:Grahamec" id="mwAW8">talk</a>) 02:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Ryan

Hey, happy to defer to your Queensland knowledge here. This is kind of a difficult issue for us for a few reasons - after all, contemporary newspapers and even many books (especially, but not exclusively, older ones) default to referring to everyone by initials exclusively well into the 1950s and beyond. (A particularly famous case: <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22s.m+bruce%22" id="mwAXI"></a>) However we have generally avoided initials on Wikipedia - the only other examples I can think of are <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./H._V._Evatt" title="H. V. Evatt" id="mwAXM">H. V. Evatt</a> (which I also don't really agree with - why not Bert?) and <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./H._G._Nelson" title="H. G. Nelson" id="mwAXQ">H. G. Nelson</a>. Generally this is really a style issue - I've seen plenty of books referring to E.G. Whitlam and R.G. Menzies, and even occasionally J.M. Fraser, R.J.L. Hawke and P.J. Keating. Trove of course does skew to older sources too: a Google Books certainly reveals a bit more on the Tom Ryan front (<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&oq=%22tom+ryan%22+queensland+premier&gs_l=psy-ab.3...299085.299266.0.299608.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..3.0.0.cbdoFlGAZF0" id="mwAXY"></a>), although admittedly not nearly as much as T.J. <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&oq=%22t.j+ryan%22+queensland+premier&gs_l=psy-ab.3...57488.58945.0.59372.8.8.0.0.0.0.327.599.2-1j1.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..7.0.0.8slQWru0iTM" id="mwAXc"></a>. I won't object if you want to move it back.

(Sidenote: I really hate <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" id="mwAXk" class="mw-redirect">WP:COMMONNAME</a>, and am getting in a bad habit of whinging about it to whoever I can. I'll spare you most of it, but suffice to say I wish we just had an ACCURATENAME guideline and could have everyone living at their full, unambiguous names - so Thomas Joseph Ryan here. But it's way too late to change things now.) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAXo">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAXs">talk</a>) 07:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I imagine his family and friends might have called him Tom, but I suspect he couldn't be commonly known as Tom Ryan in public life because of the earlier <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Tommy_Ryan_(politican)" title="Tommy Ryan (politican)" id="mwAX4" class="new">Tommy Ryan (politican)</a>. Both were Thomas Joseph Ryan, both were Labor, and both were the member for <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Electoral_district_of_Barcoo" title="Electoral district of Barcoo" id="mwAX8">Electoral district of Barcoo</a>, but were not related to one another as far as I know. That's quite a coincidence, and I am guessing that led to a need to distinguish between the two men and why T.J. acquired the moniker he did (whether by his choice or the newspapers). I think I will move the article back to T.J. Ryan as Tom Ryan really doesn't sit comfortably with me. I might add in a hatnote for Tommy Ryan (whose own article hatnotes T.J.'s). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAYA">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAYE">talk</a>) 01:16, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I did not know about the other one! Seems to be something of a Queensland tradition, though, with similar names (two Tom Foleys, two David Thomsons, at least three Don Camerons, etc.). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAYY">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAYc">talk</a>) 00:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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Qld MLAs/MLCs

In unfortunate timing, I have actually just moved off Queensland politicians into SA; I am moving through the candidates pages and bringing them all back to the formation of the Nationalist Party in 1917. Once I've finished SA and WA back to that point, though, I will be returning to Queensland (and Victoria and Tasmania) and attempting to sort out the godawful mess that is pre-1917 liberal/conservative party/party-adjacent politics (candidates pages are a great way of clarifying these sorts of things before looking at electorate pages or the members lists). In the distant future when that happens, I will certainly keep an eye out for possible candidates for you - if you haven't got to them all by then, of course! I would offer to send some SA politicians your way (there are MANY tiny stubs), but I know you're Queensland-focused and anyway SA has by far the worst parliamentary website for biographies so they'd be a lot tougher to fix for trainees. (If I may offer a few non-biographical suggestions: I threw together <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Northern_Country_Party" title="Northern Country Party" id="mwAZQ">Northern Country Party</a> from very little and it could use some work, and the virtually-untouched-since-2006-or-so <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Douglas_Credit_Party" title="Douglas Credit Party" id="mwAZU">Douglas Credit Party</a> also needs sorting out since I suspect it's trying to cover about three separate parties at the moment. I don't know if these might be too complicated for your purposes though.)

As a final point, bless you for the work you do with trainees. Goodness knows we need more active editors and if these training programs net us even a handful it would be a huge boon for the project (and of course even if they don't they still produce valuable work). <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAZc">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAZg">talk</a>) 14:20, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

That is fascinating about Visual Editor, something I turned off the minute it arrived and haven't given a thought to since. I suppose it probably does make things much more intuitive when you're starting out. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Frickeg" title="User:Frickeg" id="mwAZs">Frickeg</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Frickeg" title="User talk:Frickeg" id="mwAZw">talk</a>) 00:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
If you don't use it for anything else, use the VE for working with tables (I couldn't go back to doing it with syntax). There are a few advanced things you can't do with tables in the Visual Editor, but you can just switch back to the source editor to do those after you've done the bulk of the work of populating the table visually. It's a massive time saver. I use the VE myself now for most of my editing of content and mainly use source editor for heavy-duty template work. The VE works quite well at populating simple templates, and indeed very well if that template has had Template Data added to it so the VE can present it to the user to fill in with information/examples on the fields, marked as mandatory/suggested/deprecated etc, which are the basic fields (always shown) and which are the more advanced fields (user asks for these) and so on. I have added Template Data to my favourite templates because I find it very convenient when I use templates. I feel using both editors makes me more productive as I can use the best tool for any task and can flick between them even within a single edit. Try it! Preferences > Editing > make sure "Disable the VE" is un-ticked and set "editing mode" to "Show both tabs" and you can then use either one as much or as little as you want. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAZ8">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAaA">talk</a>) 00:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


Peace Treaty between USA and North Korea

Hello Kerry, It was article that I created previously and it was deleted because of other Wiki admin person's view. Could you please let me know whether I can get your feedback for the improvement items for this article? Subject: "Peace Treaty between USA and North Korea" <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Goodtiming8871" title="User:Goodtiming8871" id="mwAaQ">Goodtiming8871</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Goodtiming8871" title="User talk:Goodtiming8871" id="mwAaU">talk</a>) 23:51, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

i am overseas with no computer at the moment, but I will ask if @<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Shiftchange" title="User:Shiftchange">Shiftchange</a>: can help. If you don't have a copy of the article, you should be able to get it back into your user space with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Wikipedia:REFUND" title="Wikipedia:REFUND" id="mwAag" class="mw-redirect">WP:REFUND</a> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAak">Kerry</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#top" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond" id="mwAao">talk</a>) 05:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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VEFriendly is broken

Hi Kerry,

I'm going to go turn off {{VEFriendly}}, because something's gone dreadfully wrong with it. It's showing raw HTML inside VisualEditor's wikitext mode, rather than the expected visual mode. Please feel free to revert and review the next time you're on wiki. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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