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Suggestions for dealing with Tequendamia

I would love to help, but I am probably not the best candidate because I need to sleep right now (It's 1:30 am where I live) and I have only a superficial knowledge of India. However, I would make two suggestions based on my review of the dispute:

1. If he is adding information to the wrong articles, try directing him to a relavent page where he can add the information. Caste, perhaps? It appears to have sections for various countries. Some of his information is referenced and would merit inclusion somewhere.
2. Try refactoring his additions to articles into neutral prose rather than using whole-sale reversion. This may be irksome to you in cases where you disagree with his statements, but if you are able to rewrite his POV-laden statements into neutral ones, it should simultaneously improve the article's comprehensiveness, calm him down, and improve your own ability to disasssociate yourself emotionally from the subject matter. It would similarly be good of you to stop removing his talk page comments. It will simply escalate the dispute by angering him.

Best of luck to you, the best way to deal with people like him is to stop viewing them as opponents and instead attempt to work with their contributions, insisting on sources but allowing their sourced information into the articles after it is neturally rewritten. By doing this, you will hopefully be able to train them in neutral writing so that they become a valuable contributor, rather than alienating them. I'll also leave a note by Teq's talk page before I go to bed. --tjstrf 08:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Barrani is a historian not a Cleric

Barrani's two books are still read for Indian Medieval history in universities: Barani, Ziauddin Tarikh-I-Firuzshahi, Barani, Ziauddin Fatawa-I-Jahandari, TerryJ-Ho 10:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for WP:3RR violation

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Gwernol 13:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

unblock

{{unblock reviewed|I think there has been a misunderstanding again. I did not commit 3RR on Indian caste system. Not a single edit of mine was a revert.Point of fact, the user User:Tequendamia violated 3RR. Not a single one of my edits were reverts, and in the talk page of the article I was reverting HIS vandalism of my edits which he was unilaterally deleting.Please see my talk page for a summary of my diffs, not a single one is a revert. This user refused to discuss with me despite my pleas to talk to him and was even admonished by an admin.Please understand I was not violating 3RR|see below}}

My diffs:

No I have not.I am very careful not to violate 3RR EVER!I rarely even violate 1RR unless it's overt vandalism.

None of the diffs beyond my first revert for the day were reverts. See for yourself:

Not a revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81970320&oldid=81968853

Not a revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81972522&oldid=81970739

Terry's reverts lie between these diffs.

In fact, it was User:TerryJ-Ho who started the reverting of my extremely well-sourced edits with a summary that shows clear WP:NOR violation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81969852&oldid=81968853

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81971875&oldid=81970739

Both of his (not mine) edits are bad faith reverts of my sourced edits with his dubious assertions and attributions to sources that don;t contain the things he says they do.

Plus, latter edit diffs:

Not one revert among these: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81988861&oldid=81986851

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81989280&oldid=81988861

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_caste_system&diff=81989709&oldid=81989280

In contrast, all of Teq's edits WERE revertsHkelkar 13:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm declining to unblock. Looking through the diffs, you removed the "racism" category 4 times. Although you also added new categories, that's a revert-based edit war, which is what the 3RR really refers to. You're right that Tequemandia was violating the 3RR, but he has also been blocked for it. Mangojuice^talk 13:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

yes but he evaded the block with a sock. WP:Sock Puppetry says that his block timer should be reset but it has not been.Hkelkar 14:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|Per discussion on irc, I now formally apologize for violating 3RR and beg the admins to consider my case as I have been very respectful of [[WP:NPOV]] [[WP:V]] and [[WP:NOR]] and have spent close to 6 hours a week in library doing research for my edits to wikipedia and got upset when (I felt) vandal users undid all my edits and replaced them with offensive content.Please forgive me for I lost my cool.}}Hkelkar 14:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith in your case. I have your word that you will not be breaching WP:1RR on a single article. Discussion on talk pages is always a better way to resolve disputes. In case you have a problem with another user, you could try Wikipedia:Dispute resolution or contact another user/administrator who has been regularly contributing on the topic or might be knowledgeable on the subject. Please assume good faith while dealing with other editors. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 14:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I still appear to be blockedHkelkar 14:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You will not be editing the articles on which you were blocked for WP:3RR or any other related articles for a period of 21 hours. Thank you. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 14:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Your perspectives

You claim to be Jewish, however, you're as defensive of Hinduism and accusatory of anti-Semitism as User:Shiva's Trident. Another reason why I still believe you're the same person. BhaiSaab ^talk 16:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What you think is inconsequential to meHkelkar 16:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! BhaiSaab ^talk 16:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello dear user BhaiSaab. I totally agree with you ! I've been also accused of antisemitism by Hkelkar (see my user talk page on [1]) simply because I used the word 'neocon'. But the funniest of all is that User:Shiva's Trident (also known under the name Netaji) introduces himself as neocon !. May be it's time to settle that case once and for all. We can mail-exchange info if you like. All the best and congratulations for your win. TwoHorned 17:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see who "wins".Hkelkar 17:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

anti-hindu pics

i will see if i can arrange some GDFL pics. Btw, do you know how to read urdu.nids(♂) 23:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really, but the tv picture was captioned in English. However, I have friends who can read Urdu so I can verify translations.Hkelkar 09:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Movement

HKelkar you can certainly give positive OR negative inputs but please don't revert SOURCED edits of others. The whole article Indian Buddhist Movement from first line shows references and links. Ambedkaritebuddhist 10:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed them because they were partisan and doubtful per WP:RS. YOU removed MY edits DESPITE that fact that were ourced by NON-PARTISAN periodical "The-Week" and not some Neo-Buddhit mouthpeice.Hkelkar 10:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The link of The-Week? I don't know whos mouthpeice is it? If it is related to Buddhists in India and value add to the article then we can put that link. Ambedkaritebuddhist 14:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

India dont have any neo-Buddhists but have few BUDDHISTs

HKelkar what is neo-Buddhist population? Where do we find details about their population? Because now-a-days in USA/Europe and India many people are converting to Buddhism because of its Prajna (Understanding), Love and Peace loving nature. But all these people are called as Buddhist. There are philosohpically different schools but the Buddhist world is united. About India before making any comment please go through the OFFICIAL INDIAN GOVERNMENT DATA about Buddhist population in India. Census of India 2001 DATA ON RELIGION Accept legal things only. Wikipedia believes in FACTS! Brush up bacis knowledge about Buddhist Population in India and also growing numbers. MY COUNTRY INDIA counts population Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains few other religions also but not neo-Buddhists. Where are these people? There is also another category known as Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes who constitutes approx. 25% population of whole India. These SC/ST majority illeterate very poor, oppressed people are branded as Hindus! Some of these SC/ST people are Ambedkarites but they are also Hindus. SC/STs are NOT called as Buddhists!! That is why Buddhist population in India is only around 0.8% or less. But it is continuously growing because of religious conversion such as 14th Oct. 2006 events. There might be some anti-Buddhist mothpiece but MY COUNTRY INDIA gives details about Buddhist in India. Brush up your knowledge about Buddhist Movement in India. Understand the difference between different religions and then write. Your inputs are always welcome. Ambedkaritebuddhist 14:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Please read about paranoia and Cult (religious practice).Hkelkar 00:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Mediator

Okay, fine. It has to be a mediator that has not interacted with either of us in the past though. BhaiSaab ^talk 18:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Tipu Sultan advocacy

Hello again - I have (at last!) finalised my opinions on this case - see Talk:Tipu Sultan - I have tried to keep it fair, and offer advice to help the article move on - if I see blatant problems again in future by the editors involved, I will make more directed comments. Would you like to ocnsider the advocacy case closed for the time being? (I will, of course, always be available to help with anything :)) Thanks, Martinp23 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, with respect to personal attacks against you, it may be helpful, if you have diffs, for you to report the problems to an admin (look on IRC) and mention the RFCU case, after which the admin may decide to block all the socks, if the PA's are serious/sustained enough. Martinp23 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all, I'll be happy to help - I have the article on my watchlist (I will be unavailable over the weekend, but if anything happens, I'll take a look at it on my return). Thanks being a good advocee (even in quite a difficult case (especially at the start)). Martinp23 19:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Just as a reminder, (this is by no means compulsary) you can fill out, if you wish, the followup section of your AMA request at Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/September 2006/Hkelkar. Please feel free to do this, and don't feel any pressure to do ti at all :) thanks, Martinp23 19:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:

Apart from the fact that that edit wasn't vandalism, the user's account was created on the 12th October. [2]. -- Steel 20:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Punctuation according to references

I would like to remind you that a period or comma goes before the reference, not after. Thanks, and please remember this when editing. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

My apologies.

For reverting an article, it was an accident. --SonicChao 23:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Your last message

Template:Agf1 regarding this editTerryJ-Ho 00:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahmadinejad

I think he's an awesome guy. BhaiSaab ^talk 01:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooooooooooooh! I'm so scared!I hope he is as awesome when he tries to "wipe Israel off the map" and gets blasted into a hole in the ground.Hkelkar 01:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Israel shouldn't be on the map in the first place. BhaiSaab ^talk 01:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)