User talk:Mutt Lunker

Towns and Cities in Scotland

I'm confused about something reading the definitions, aren't settlements basically contiguous localities of a certain density (when applicable), and aren't the density requirements the same for both? I think if that's the case, you'd want to make the definitions as simple as possible. And in this case this would mean not directly quoting the definition for settlements I'd think. What's the easiest way to explain this starting on page 5 (https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//geography/products/2012-setts-locals-back-info.pdf)? Thanks! --Criticalthinker (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

My reading of the definitions is that settlements have a defined high density component and localities do not. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

This link makes clear that localities are subdivisions of settlements (https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/census/geographies.pdf). And then from the link above I got this:

"Localities have been determined by first creating settlements and then assigning a locality value to each of the postcodes in the settlement based on whether they fall within a previous locality."

I'm still a bit confused, quite honestly. --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm really just curious if you think there is a clearer way to explain on the article page that would be clear that localities are components of settlements? Otherwise, it currently reads like there are two different standards for defining these area when in fact, both use postcodes as base components. --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd agree it is confusing and I only feel understand the definitions immediately after thoroughly reading them through, then I would be fuzzy on it again the next day. The official definitions are difficult to comprehend but I can't think of a way of redefining them in simpler terms unless unwarranted simplification or interpretation is introduced. To say that localities are subdivisions of settlements is not correct in my view although the way that they are differently defined leads me to the belief that localities may correspond to a settlement or be smaller but they can not be larger. I'm unclear as to the purpose for having both types of entity. Sorry. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Here, for localities: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/settlements-localities/set-loc-16/locality-geographies.pdf

"Does it nest in a higher geography? Yes, Settlements" "Is there a building-block geography from which it is made? Yes, Postcodes"

The way I understand it, urban localities are made up of postcodes of a certain density. All urban localities also correspond to a settlement, unless there are two localities side by side/contiguous, in which case they merge to become a settlement. The point being that the link I just posted is every clear that postcodes are the base for both, and that urban localities are constituent parts of larger settlement. It actually comes across as very basic, if even explained poorly by National Records of Scotland. --Criticalthinker (talk) 01:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Per above, as far as I can see in the definitions density is not a factor for localities, only for settlements. I'm not sure why you have gained this impression. Mutt Lunker (talk) 01:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

It's why I specifically said urban settlements. Not all localities are settlements, but obviously we're talking about urban localities in the context of talking about them as components of settlements. Urban settlements are definitely components of settlements. In any case, I see I'm no longer getting anywhere; I will do further research myself with NRScotland. --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

James Logan

What's your source for James Logan not being the McCrae's Battalion member? Litster's Record of Pre-War Scottish League Players has a James Henry Logan playing for Raith Rovers between 1912 and 1919 and then having two stints as manager. Beatpoet (talk) 19:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

See my post at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#James_H._Logan. You restored a link to James Merrilees Logan, the manager was James Lochhead Logan, the team captain and battalion member was James Henry Logan. If you have info on the 1912-1919 JHL, that should be useful material to create an article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I've posted at the project again about potential further confusion. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Logan brothers

It's a good blog written by knowledgeable authors - but WP:RS applies here. GiantSnowman 12:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)