Talk:Starfleet Security

Marines

Where are they "specifically mentioned" in ST VI? Please point to the dialogue or text on screen. One of my horrible, awful late-night deletions was for the bogus fancruft Marines article. --EEMeltonIV 06:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Colonel West sits in a briefing and is said to be a member of the Federation Marine Corps. Later gets very specific in the novel of the film as it goes into West's career in counter-intel.

"is said" - there's a reason passive voice sucks. The word "marine" isn't in the movie. Is it in the book? --EEMeltonIV 06:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sources

I added and expanded the article. A number of sources are available, to include specifically the onscreen apperance. I put down the one book title I remembered and will research more over the next few months. This article has been hit alot for being speculation and not citing courses. I hope this clears it up. -Husnock 06:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Federation Security

Saw some concern raised about this group. Appears for about 10 minutes in Star Trek III, a black man approaches mcCoy about talking too loud regarding the Genesis Planet. Saying the man was acting like the CIA shouldn't by POV or OR since his character was very clearly supposed to be the "secret agent" type in the bar with knowledge about secret things. Maybe some re-wording, but references to this group should stay in. -Husnock 06:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Husnock (or anyone)--

Please provide references -- either specific dialogue or reliable secondary sources -- for the following assertions:

• During this time, most of Starfleet Security was assigned as security guards onboard Starfleet vessels and space stations.
• The agency is also responsible for maintaining and enforcing Starfleet Security regulations, procedures and policies on all Starfleet and affiliated facilities, outposts, and vessels.
• In addition, this agency is responsible for security clearances of all Starfleet and Federation personnel (I see the ST3 "citation" -- remind me where this is in the film)
• By the time frame of the 24th century, Starfleet Security was also the primary source of Federation ground troops
• the Starfleet Security chain of command included several division and brigade sized formations capable of assaulting a planet (I know all those troops showed up in the episode, but you're extrapolating size and capability)
• Starfleet Security is also one of the few non-command career fields in which it is capable to rise to the rank of full admiral.
• Starfleet Security often works jointly with Starfleet Intelligence - please cite instances other than Pegasus to justify "often"
• and the Federation Marine Corps - cite their existence
• In the 23rd century, the civilian equivalent of Starfleet Security was known as "Federation Security", seen briefly in the film Star Trek III and appearing to be some type of CIA equivalent orgaization. - cite material that explains transition from one to the other
• Starfleet Security is also responsible for the security of the Federation President, as well as members of the Federation Council and visiting alien dignitaries (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home). - extrapolating presence of guys in costume with duty - who's to say they weren't avid spectators? there to protect Kirk from the rampaging hoards? walked into the wrong room and held very still to avoid being noticed?
• Section 31 has been suspected of being involved with the Khitomer conspiracy as well as the illegal cloaking device development onboard the USS Pegasus. - cite something beyond fanboy hardon speculation . . . possibly connected to Section 31.

Please also articulate why the following are not WP:OR:

• .... apparetly an entirely separate career path from regular (or "Line") personnel of the Starfleet.
• In the capacity of security guards, Starfleet Security members act in ways analogous to local and regional police agencies.

The following appear to have traces of non-NPOV (i.e. subjective observations) and also need citing

• The task of Starfleet Security was also extremely dangerous, especially when providing security to landing parties on unexplored planets.

• a noticable number (suggests "a lot", but that's subject)

--EEMeltonIV 06:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)