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Tôn Thất Đính

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Review section

I am nominating this featured article for review because I do not believe that it currently passes the FAC at this time. In particular, it glosses over Dinh's early life as well as his later life, not mentioning his death at all except for the date and a simple citation. In this way it fails criterion 1b (comprehensive). It also has some copyediting issues, IMO: I have taken the liberty of fixing the article's prose, but I still feel like some more could be done in this department; as such, it fails criterion 1a (well-written).

I do not think this article is doomed in its current state, and I think sufficient work can be done in the course of a standard FAR, but some work does need to be done; in particular, I think his early (pre-military) life should be something more than merely "A native of central Vietnam," and " Born into a nominally Buddhist family, Đính had converted to Catholicism in the hope of advancing his career.", and his later life should be somewhat more than a paragraph and should mention his death in the prose. (In some fairness to the death thing, this article was promoted in 2009 before his death, but it should still be updated.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@FAR coordinators: This FAR has been up for almost three weeks and nothing has been done in regards to either the review, the article itself, or its talk page. Is this normal, and if not for how much longer does this stay in the FAR stage and what happens in this case? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not unusual. If comments remain unaddressed, the review will be moved to the FARC phase. DrKay (talk) 08:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

FARC section

Issues raised in the review section include comprehensiveness. DrKay (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delist none of the concerns raised above have been addressed, and indeed very little work has been done on the article at all since the review began. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
• I noticed that Bumbubookworm has done significant work on the article since this FARC has begun. Such work is commendable, but there are still a few questions I have on the man:

  I feel like more could be said of the circumstances of his early life. It's great to know his specific birthplace, but his birthdate is still unsourced and still not more is said of his family than that it was "nominally Buddhist". Is there any sourcing of how he and Cần met?

  His conversion to Catholicism seems important, and it could stand to be expanded and better sourced.

  Under the III Corps were the 5th and the 25th Divisions. The 5th Division is brought up twice more in the article, and the 25th never again. What exactly were the significance of these two divisions in particular?

That's all for now, I'll have a closer look later. Other than that, great job! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@John M Wolfson: Have you had an opportunity for a closer look? Do you now feel the article warrants retaining its status? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep I'm still not the biggest fan that his conversion is glossed over, but it seems fairly minor and the article is much improved from when I nominated it for review. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

• Closing note: This removal candidate has been kept, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)