Talk:Diriliş: Ertuğrul

International broadcasting

The last column have no title, what should it be? Also, the source is wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding the table containing the list of characters: 1) To make it easier to locate a specific name, the listing of names in the table should be in alphabetical order. 2) Because the subject of the article is the story being portrayed, perhaps the first column should be the name of the character portrayed, with the second column containing the name of the actor who portrays the character. Cosmo1976 (talk) 10:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible source

Turkish TV's new-found love for all things Ottoman may be good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Rating in Turkey

What do these numbers mean? The reference is a Turkish-language Twitter account which I cannot easily search. 76.119.114.192 (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion

Try dividing the plot into sections "per season". And possibly more paragraphs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Reading Turkey’s New Vision Based Real Policies through an Identity and their Presentation in Series as a Soft Power: A Study on the Series, Resurrection-Ertugrul

Could be a useful source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Rating in Turkey

Can we please collapse this section? I's annoyingly long. As is the season 5 section, who is going to read that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Controversial statements

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång changed my edit after i removed a controversial and childish statement from Reception and put my part with tons of RS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwins018 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits in question:[1][2]

Hello Truthwins018, and welcome to the interesting world of WP.

Previous version:

Journalist Aimun Faisal writes in Dawn that "[Esra Bilgiç] was the ultimate Pakistani, male fantasy. A miracle happened and she became real. Now Pakistani men do not know how to deal with the paradox of the dichotomy their misogyny had created.". On social media, Bilgiç was lectured by Pakistani fans on the subject of religion.

Current, "your" version:

.The show received almost instant fame, mostly due to it reviving islamic message and also due to Pakistan Turk friendship. The channel TRT ertugrul by ptv might even break world record for most subscribers in one month and ptv news is quoted as " The current record is 6.6 million and the channel Ertugrul Ghazi can beat that with your love! We have 15 days to make history" with currently going strong at 3.7million subscribers in 24 days. Following the reception Turkish actress Esra, who essays the role of Halime Sultan, said “I’m waiting excitedly to meet you all in Pakistan after this period. followed by Engin Altan (who plays the role of ertugrul) who expressed his wish to visit Pakistan soon to meet his fans followed by Cengiz Coskun who plays Turgut in the series and Turkish actor Cavit Çetin Güner who featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul as ‘Dogan Alp’, has announced that he will visit Pakistan soon. In a video, he stated that Pakistan is his 'second home.' and much of the cast

My opinion: The stuff you removed is not childish, controversial is a matter of opinion. It's an interesting part of the topic, and the sources are quite decent. The text you introduced comes across as WP:PROMO, we are not here to sell the tv-series. "might even break world record" and "currently going strong" is not WP-language, and you have no source for "The show received almost instant fame". The message from Esra Bilgiç may also deserve inclusion, we'll see if other editors have opinions. There is no reason to write "featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul" in this part of the article, and your text has other errors with punctuation etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for notifying me on the errors and i would i working on them. I am willing to remove the part which you claim is promotion although i am only quoting the truth, it actually has that much subscribers and i can even cite the message by the ertugrul official team on instagram and many articles . I cannot consider dnd as a reliable source. I think it targets a specific community cause i have also come across other communities targeting her and not just a specific, as this also seems as an opinion to frame a specific community. I will remove the quotes without source but i also believe that the removed statements about the Pakistani men should not be included cause it is Pakistan where the show received its most fame. Truthwins018 (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Basically, your Dawn cite is generally fine to use, but the Youtube page itself is pretty useless for WP-purposes. Don't bother with instagram and such, (see WP:RSPYT and WP:TWITTER), aim at summarizing good newssources. If something is worth quoting (like Khan), make it clear what you are quoting, in-text. Otherwise, summarize in your own words. What is a good source depends on context, and I have no opinion on the dnd source, it looked ok to me. We can do without it, there's other sources. I'll attempt a re-write. That the show is popular in Pakistan is no reason to exclude the Bilgic-religion-stuff, there's good sources that write about it. Btw, I thought this show "received its most fame" in Turkey? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, new current version:

The show is popular in Pakistan, partly aided by COVID-19 pandemic quarantine. According to PTV News, their Youtube channel for the series had more than a million subscribers in May. Several of the actors expressed gratitude for the attention from Pakistani fans, Engin Altan Düzyatan and Esra Bilgiç adding that they would like to visit the country. Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång i assume it received more views on the pakistani dubbed version than the turkish one itself. I just made a general overview so that it can be sorted out later so that's why i was a bit messy. I still wouldn't completely agree on terming the criticism on one particular community as many turkish and indians were also criticizing her but majority of it is fineTruthwins018 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Note however, that the paragraph we are currently editing is about Pakistan. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

More disagreement (pinging USaamo): [3]

IMO this text

Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. Other castmembers have also been affected.

Is in WP:PROPORTION due the sources used, and there are more. Also the above edit has hints of WP:PUFFERY, and youtube numbers should not be cited to youtube, if no decent secondary source bothered to mention them they are not interesting to include. See also MOS:DATED. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Since noone has commented for a few days, I'm choosing to reinsert this, will also add an additional ref. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Your version is largely fine now after all the sources but i would still propose changing Pakistani fans to just Fans in general cause they are criticized by people of many countries. Its just that those countries didnot write articles about itTruthwins018 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

That's WP for you. We summarize the WP:RS we have, that limits our scope for good and bad. But the internet is bigger than WP. More good sources may appear in time. Btw, this Al Jazeera article [4] was pretty good. I'd like to see one by Haaretz. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

'Relevance of content' Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who criticized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. Other castmembers have also been affected.

References

The said content's relevance here needed to be established. This is not about the series but about the actors' behaviour and personal life outside the series. Wikipedia:Relevance WP:RELE USaamo ^(t@lk) 09:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

It is about fan reaction to the series. For example, the Al Jazeera article is about the series/the reactions it caused, and this is part of the topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

It's not fan reaction to the series but to be precise It's fan's reaction to the actress' lifestyle and behaviour which is outside the series. Her pictures which she uploaded on instagram got such comments which were about her own personality. How come this be reception to series? USaamo ^(t@lk) 12:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Per the sources, it's obviously fanreaction to the series. And well-sourced such. We'll have to hope for more input from other editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I would agree with User: USaamo here cause her criticism was not on her moral image in the show but outside of the show. The criticism has nothing to do with her dressing or anything she portrayed in the show Truthwins018 (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Number of episodes?

[5] says 179. imdb [6] agrees.

List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes disagrees. Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Episodes really disagrees. Anyone care to sort this out? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Sikander Teavannaa or anyone else, can you help me understand why the episodes are counted so differently at tvguide.com, compared to this, imdb and this article? Was it somehow re-cut or something at some point? And how should we deal with it in article-space? tvguide gives 2 numbers per episode for season 2, none of which rhymes with a total of 179. imdb isn't highly thought of as a ref on WP, but counting the number of episode in a tv-series is one thing I expect them to do right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

AHA!!! So, give both counts in the article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I think we should go with the *official Turkish TRT* broadcast, which was 150 2+ hour long total episodes (S1 - 26, S2 - 35, S3 - 30, S4 - 30, and S5 - 29). Also, the source cited that says 179 is inaccurate - that's an error, for sure. There are 448 total episodes on Netflix, with each 2+ hour long original broadcast roughly divided into 4 parts across each season! Teavannaa (talk) 03:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Just had a look at where the 179 came from, and it's from IMDB and its totally messed up episode numbering. If you look at IMDB's list for the 5th season, it correctly labels 150 as the "finale" about halfway down the page, then suddenly skips back to season 1-3 episodes for non-existent 151 and beyond. Also, the summaries for each episode are completely wrong for all of season 5 (at least; I haven't checked the other seasons but they're likely messed up as well) and are actually from previous seasons. I have no idea how that all got so messed up, and unfortunately I don't have access to IMDB so I can't help fix it! Teavannaa (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I like what you did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Yes, I think Netflix did the same with Money Heist. // sikander { talk } 🦖 21:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

References

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Got it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

Balolay, [7] You got it the wrong way around. The WP:LEAD is a summary of the body. If there is nothing in the body to summarize, it's not in the lead, and just duplicating text is not good writing. This is very basic WP-structure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)