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Prague grosh or Prager Groschen, what is the common English name for the coin from Prague? Or the one issued in Cracow? Or in general, Grosh, groat, or Groschen? Let's ask Google, but mainly let's search the American Numismatic Society's curatorial database of coins:

Record contains: grosh No records in the ANS database match your search
Record contains: grosssi Search returned 5 records
Record contains: grossus Search returned 13 records
Record contains: grosch Search returned 15 records (added later, not singular of Groschen)
Record contains: grossi Search returned 44 records
Record contains: grosz Search returned 81 records
Record contains: groat Search returned 330 records
Record contains: groschen Search returned 2908 records

Record contains: prag Search returned 7 records
Record contains: pragenses Search returned 29 records
Record contains: prager Search returned 30 records.
Record contains: prague Search returned 485 records

Record contains: prague Record contains: grosch No records in the ANS database match your search (added later)
Record contains: prague Record contains: groschen Search returned 15 records
Record contains: grossi Record contains: pragenses Search returned 24 records
Record contains: prager Record contains: groschen Search returned 29 records

Record contains: kraków No records in the ANS database match your search.
Record contains: krakow Search returned 9 records.
Record contains: cracow Search returned 12 records
Record contains: krakau Search returned 61 records
Record contains: krakau Record contains: groschen Search returned 61 records

Sorry, but grosh is obviously a "original research" translation from slavic grosz, on the internet only due to the Wikipedia articles created by a few authors from, or due to ebay offers.

"Prague grosh" -wikipedia 137 Google hits (mainly from unreferenced Wikipedia content)
"Prager Groschen" -wikipedia 9640 Google hits

http://someoldcoins.org/saur/d/d203.htm Prager Groschen
http://www.geocities.com/new11world/Europe.html Prager Groschen

I'll change all articles. -- Matthead ^discuß! O 10:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're mixing Polish singular "grosz" with German plural "Groschen". If you want to compare it should be "grosz" against "Grosch" and Google gets you 2 million vs 1 million. What is English for grosz/Grosch ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lysy (talk • contribs).

Lysy, there are links given above that clearly show that Groschen is used for the actual coins, by American Numismatic Society and others, in English. Let's once again (Talk:Mikołaj of Ryńsk) assume good faith and apply Hanlon's razor for this unspecified Google search, comparing the Polish POV with a hypothetical "Grosch" that is neither a German nor an English name for a coin.-- Matthead ^discuß! O 22:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Lysy. And remember WP:UE: grosh is better then grosch(en) or grosz. And Krakau groschen seems to be unused even on German websites - complete OR.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 15:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, see above, there is no "grosh" in English nor Grosch in German that would apply to the coin, these words are only visible from your own Polish POV that has introduced it to Wikipedia, as the article history proves. That kind of "translation" may have been okay for a stub to start with, but now you better accept the facts, no original research WP:NOR. Besides, in German, its Krakauer Groschen, but as shown above, American Numismatic Society calls it Krakau Groschen. -- Matthead ^discuß! O 22:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only one German site used Krakau Groschen; it is you who is trying to force an OR Germanized name in English Wikipedia; please stop.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 15:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect assumption (singular Grosch, plural Groschen)

Groschen is singular as well as plural

1 Groschen or 10 Groschen-
Grosch is a made up thing.

The correct name of the coin is Prager Groschen

1 Prager Groschen or 10 Prager Groschen

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 ::Piotrus, see above, there is no "grosh" in English nor Grosch in German that would apply to the coin, these words are only visible from your own Polish POV that has introduced it to Wikipedia, as the article history proves. That kind of "translation" may have been okay for a stub to start with, but now you better accept the facts, no original research [[WP:NOR]]. Besides, in German, its [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22Krakauer+Groschen%22 Krakauer Groschen], but as shown above, American Numismatic Society calls it [[Krakau Groschen]].   --&nbsp;[[User:Matthead|Matthead]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Matthead|<sup>discuß!</sup>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;[[EU|<font style="color:#ffff00;background:#0000cc;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;O&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>]]&nbsp; &nbsp; 22:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
+:::Only one German site used [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22Krakau+Groschen%22 Krakau Groschen]; it is you who is trying to force an OR Germanized name in English Wikipedia; please stop.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 15:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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