Talk:Haroon Rashid Aswat

Is Infowars really considered a reliable source?

In this case I would say yes, the linked article correctly reports Loftus interview and provide useful context from relevant MSM sources. --Yeslove 21:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Exactly.............the word 'AGENT' is clearly the one used in the Fox News segment. Loftus never uses the word informant. At least, the article should read Agent/Informant or as you suggest Operative.

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I have a problem with the word 'informant' in this sentence:

"... said that Rashid was in fact an MI6 informant ...".

As a fact Loftus use the following terms 'double agent', 'British intelligence plant' and 'working for british intelligence'.

Being a master mind (the guy who conceive and plan an operation) and at the same time being an informant does not make sense. The bombings supposedly originated from this guy, so it must be assumed that he had complete information. If he was an informant he would have saved himself the trouble of executing the bombings by just telling MI6 about his plans.

Perhaps he did but we just dont know. Then the term 'informant' would be qualified and a new section named 'MI6 foreknowledge' should be added under the 7 July 2005 London bombings page. On the other hand if he did not tell MI6 in advance, then the term 'informant' is misleading, not factual and not qualified.

However changing 'informant' to 'double agent' (a term used by Loftus) together with a link to the corresponding page does not make things less confused. That would mean that Aswat first had been an MI6 agent who then secretly changed loyalties to al-quida without telling MI6.

But this is contradicted by the fact that MI6 continued to protect him against Scotland yard and other organisations after he was exposed as mastermind (the same pattern as when the American Justice department protected him on request of the British when he was wanted for setting upp terrorist training camps in Oregon).

The crucial question is of course if Aswat planned the operation in the capacity of Al-quida operative, or in the capacity of MI6 operative. Common assumptions will of course 'know' that he did so in the al-quida capacity but this conclusion as shown leads to contradictions.

MP and ex-cabinet member Michael Meacher says:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,1566919,00.html

"Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security."

To conclude: Because Aswat was still protected after being exposed as a double agent it seems that the correct term should be 'agent provocateur' or simply 'MI6 operative'.
Any comments?
Yeslove 15:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thus proving that the British state organised the 7/7 bombings, and that all evil in the world comes from the US & UK Governments! Not quite. The weakest link in this chain is the bit linking Aswat to the bombings themselves - the 20 mobile phone calls etc. have never been verifiably confirmed.--Nmcmurdo 00:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Removal per policy on biographies

I have removed some unsourced, and some unreliably sourced material under our policy on biographies of living people. Please do not restore it without including citations to reliable sources. Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible for you to exercise a lighter touch in your editing? Sources existed for the assertions you excised. The current policy might authorize you to excise material, without looking for sources. But, perhaps you might consider that 23 minutes is a less than sufficient time to allow other wikipedians to look for better references next go around? Geo Swan 17:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)