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Please stop slandering other editors by misrepresenting their motives[edit]

You completely misrepresented my edits because either you did not check the references and/or you did not read carefully. Please do not accuse others of having ulterior motives because of your carelessness.Sy9045 (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

This odd comment is in response to what I consider a civil and collegial expression of concern.
I responded back on @Sy9045:'s talk page. Geo Swan (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

dab pages[edit]

Hallo, When you create a dab page like Pearl Island, please remember to include the {{dab}} template - otherwise we get careless editors labelling it as an uncategorised stub. Thanks. PamD 13:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Please stop harassing other Wikipedia editors. You are harassing me. Please stop it now[edit]

You have been harassing me for innocuous edits and claiming various reputable sources I've cited like WSJ, Politifact, Washington Post, Time, etc. as not being reputable when they're nothing but. We have gone over these edits time after time. First you falsely accused me of inventing stories about the Taliban 5. After I showed you the sources that were clearly cited on that page for those paragraphs (which completely discredited your argument), you resorted to harassing me in other ways. Have another editor speak with me if you have questions because you are clearly not attempting to communicate in any constructive manner whatsoever. Stop harassing me now.Sy9045 (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

  • (Sigh) I said none of the things Sy9045 apparently thinks I said, as a check of the records would show.
  1. I never said WSJ, etc, weren't reputable. I did say that paragraphs weren't referenced, when they had no references in them. Contributors can't claim references used in other parts of the article are adequate references for brand new unreferenced paragraphs.
  2. I never said @Sy9045: "invented stories" about the Taliban Five. Rather, I said that he or she was repeating what were merely allegations, as if they were truths, and doing so without attributing them, or citing them. This is not compliant with WP:NPOV.
  3. I did admonish Sy9045 for not looking for alternate interpretations of who these men were.
Sadly, many people in general, including wikipedia contributors, interpret civil, collegial expressions of concern as if they were harrassment or personal attacks.
After I left a comment on User talk:Sy9045's talk page I couldn't help noticing that several other contributors had left earlier civil expressions of concern there, only to have them interpreted as personal attacks.
Sy9045 says "Have another editor speak with me if you have questions because you are clearly not attempting to communicate in any constructive manner whatsoever." (Sigh) Somehow, seeing how they have rejected the good faith advice of multiple people, I don't see that working out well. Maybe I will make the effort to call in a third party.
Usually I follow the established convention of confining the discussion to the page where it started. I won't here however. Geo Swan (talk) 16:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Could you please explain...[edit]

The specific text you're looking for is WP:NFC#UUI, specifically point #7, which expressly sets out that if an image is sold by a press agency, our hosting of that image directly competes with their original market role per WP:NFCC #2. Even if we allow for the idea that these organizations may take up freely licensed images and sell them, which is not something I'm aware of on any kind of scale, at that point the burden in such a discussion flips to the uploader to demonstrate that this has occurred for an individual instance. I read the Reuters citation on Stefan2's second link as referring to the article text only, and the only clear citation I see for the image is AFP.

As a sidenote, remember that Wikipedia very intentionally does not use the language "fair use" in describing our policies on non-free content. There are many aspects of our policy where we are stricter than the U.S. government requires in order to meet that legal burden. You may be right that the use of the image could be justified by the fair use doctrine, but my reading of the situation as it relates to Wikipedia policies as they were 2 years ago (and remain, substantively identically, today) was that his reasoning was correct. (ESkog)(Talk) 01:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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My RfA[edit]

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Misty Edwards[edit]

The draft for her article is now up, Misty Edwards, for you to look about her notability.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want to move the article to mainspace, please, with all do sincerity, go ahead.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I posted Misty Edwards on WikiAlpha, per your suggestion.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Misty Edwards is up on Wikipedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

You are showing page ownership[edit]

I'm not amused by your displays of WP:OWNERship. First you complain when I removed some content and simply re-applied it. Then you reverted the application of a data format. Now you don't like that I piped to the correct article to avoid a redirect. I know about redirects and I prefer not link to them. I have move the article. I'm sure you'll balk at that. If you move it or do anything else, I'll let you and you can do what you want, but you will not have impressed me with cooperative editing and you will have not have displayed any reasonable behaviour. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Boatnerd[edit]

Hi, I deleted User:Geo Swan/boatnerd - but not for WP:CSD#R2 because it wasn't a redirect from the main namespace to another namespace - it was from the User namespace. Either WP:CSD#G7 or WP:CSD#U1 would have been appropriate - I picked the latter. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Walid Ali[edit]

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  • @Soccer-holic: see Talk:Walid Ali. Do you think there would be any value in doing a simple check for obvious vandalism before applying a speedy delete tag? Geo Swan (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Mohammed Omar (child detainee) for deletion[edit]

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Reference error[edit]

Hi Geo Swan there was a list defined reference error as a result of this edit due to CbcNorth2015-08-16 reference not being used. I just commented it out for now. Cheers. CV9933 (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Your creation of a Laurence Steinberg article[edit]

Hello, Geo Swan. I saw that you linked Laurence Steinberg here and here, and in other articles, for preparation in creating an article for him. But are you sure that he is WP:Notable? Also see WP:Academic. Your first draft, for example, only includes self-references (by that, I mean references where Laurence Steinberg is the author). Flyer22 (talk) 10:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: -- Yes, I do. Usually, I would look for more references before putting an article on an academic in article space. But, in AFD on academics, being appointed to a named chair at a prestigious university is generally considered as sufficient to establish an academic measured up to WP:ACADEMIC#Criteria. Geo Swan (talk) 11:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Bright Leaves for deletion[edit]

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Some thoughts[edit]

In re to Bright Leaves: I work with new editors a lot. I also know Rimmel.Edits in real life. Just wanted to provide some thoughts.

Editing is daunting for new editors. People don't know what to do at first (with the bureaucracy, who can blame that?), and they definitely don't want to screw up. Editor retention is one of the most important problems we need to tackle on Wikipedia, and we're working on it. We've created the Teahouse, which aims to help new editors in a way that is more friendly (and sometimes even less incendiary) than the help desk. Like you said, we've lost a lot of editors (particularly content contributors) to the deletionist wave. But we also lose a lot more, new and old, to the excitement of our community.

I don't see why one should assume that an AfD is based on opinion and IDONTLIKEIT when the nominator shows an attempt at finding sources. Personal remarks and a history of Wikipedia are much more fitted on a user's talk page than on an AfD. A simple explanation of why the article should be kept, with links to sources you've found, gets the point across in a simple and effective way. AfDs can be malicious and personal, but this one was not. You're not defending against seasoned deletionists, but a new editor. Labeling some quality control volunteers as "functionally illiterate" is not a message I, or a new editor, would want to receive.

If I had to choose, I tend to side on the side of inclusionism, and I know how frustrating and moral-busting AfDs can be - but rarely is it in bad faith. Even the most veteran editors make "bad" nominations. I agree that urging editors to dive into content addition is great; I do not think discouraging copy editing is good. New editors work where they're comfortable in, and the "comfort zone" tends to be things like copy editing, vandalism patrol, and page tagging. Those are still important functions that shouldn't be discouraged in lieu of content creation. Rather, content creation should simply be encouraged, and is a place that many new editors will shift to naturally as they gain experience.

It's incredibly easy for someone to put their pen down from a volunteer project from discouragement; it's much harder to retain them. If you want a new editor to focus on improving articles rather than nominating them for deletion, there are much better approaches. Rimmel.Edits clearly put some work into finding sources; why not provide guidance on how to find more, better sources? Suggestions and links to a variety of search tools you've found helpful in the past would go a lot further than discouraging other types of editing.

I respect the work you do, the number of articles you've created, and the work you continue to put into improving them. In the coming weeks, I'll be working with fellow students to introduce to them to editing Wikipedia. I'll certainly keep in mind your thoughts on what editors should focus on, and that article rescue is preferred over article deletion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs

@SuperHamster:
  1. Yes, it is easy for new and promising contributors to get discouraged, when they get some initial criticism, and even easier if they are bullied. There are too many administrators who bully new contributors. We are probably in agreement on this.
  2. How often are lapses from WP:BEFORE basically instances of WP:IDONTLIKEIT?

    Are you familiar with the outside comments, and outside criticism the wikipedia received over the speedy deletion of a stub article on The Political Quarterly?

    Dick Pountain, the guy who started it, was not a regular wikipedia contributor. Rather he wrote a column in technical magazine in the UK. We are going back a few years ago now, and tech columnist were less likely to be aware of the wikipedia's internal problems, and thus to praise it as a brilliant example of crowd-sourcing. But a friend of his, who had actually experimented with writing for the wikipedia, gave him a warning and a dare. His friend told him that many of the wikipedia's quality control volunteers were wildly overconfident bullies -- and he dared Pountain to try and write an article.

    The beginning of the story can be read at Talk:The Political Quarterly. It is embarrassing. I am with Pountain, on this one. It shocks me to think a high school graduate wouldn't recognize the names of Leon Trotsky and Benito Mussolini. Yet those involved in deleting the article didn't recognize the names.

    Promising articles on important topics are deleted all the time, maybe even on an hourly basis, by overconfident quality control volunteers who either can't or won't comply with WP:BEFORE, or whose efforts are deeply inadequate. Your protege's efforts to comply with WP:BEFORE? They weren't just mildly inadequate, a "good effort", they were deeply inadequate. I barely scratched the surface. There is so much commentary on McElwee and Bright Leaves, that a contributor who really knew about film history, who was prepared to spend a day or two, could expand it ten fold and get it listed on the good article list.

    Anyhow, with regard to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, I think that when our quality control volunteers come to a very weak article on a notable topic they are personally interested in, they don't try and delete it, either because they already know the topic is notable, or because it related to things they are interested in, they do go to the trouble of doing enough web searches to recognize the topic's notability. So THOSE articles are safe from deletion. The articles that are vulnerable are the notable articles on topics the quality control volunteers AREN'T interested in. Hence IDONTLIKEIT.

  3. Did I come down too hard on your protege? Let me tell you the stories of two other contributors.
Years ago I encountered a prolific contributor, who had not created a wiki-ID, who jumped from IP address to IP address. I was concerned that he was trying to evade responsibility for his edits, and said so.
He admonished me for failing to read the note he had put at the top of talk page for the IP address he was currently using. He put notes on the talk pages of the IP addresses he used, explaining that he had serious mental health issues, and that he found contributing to the wikpedia very therapeutic. But he didn't find the criticism and discussion part of the project were good for his mental health -- hence the shifting IPs. I saw he had a couple of long term contributors, who were fans of his, who were familiar enough with his writing style that, they could recognize him, merely from his style, and who would leave a welcome on his most recent IP number's talk page.
In my reply I expressed some sympathy for his (unstated) mental health issues. I told him very few of us could claim 100 percent mental health. I suggested though, that the highest priority of our contributions to the wikipedia should be improving the wikipedia. I suggested other benefits, like (1) it improves my writing ability; (2) it improves my mental health; (3) it will look good on my resume -- these all have to be secondary benefits, that we can't let interfere with our primary goal.
I can't really remember what advice I gave him. I'd like to think I phrased it as nicely as possible. I may have said that, so long as he could contribute to the wikipedia, in a way that helped rebuild his mental health -- and wasn't compromising the wikipedia's quality, I thought he should feel welcome. In this I suggested my expectations of him weren't any different than my expectations of any wikipedia contributor. A wikipedia contributor who had just come home from a bender was (temporarily) incompetent, and they should take a break, until they are sober again.
I quickly forgot about this guy. But I must have been thoughtful, or helpful, because a year, or maybe a year and a half later, he left a thank you note on my page, telling me he had really thought hard about what I had said, and, with a year's perspective on it, he thought it was extremely good advice. He had created a new wiki-id. And he was trying to only contribute where the wikipedia came first, and the benefits to his mental health second.
The other contributor was someone who had been prolific here, and a minor contributor on the commons. I first became aware of him on the commons, where he was engaging in truly outrageous vandalism.
He was apparently a very gifted photographer, bird watcher, and photographer of butterflies. He had submitted some really fine photos to the English wikipedia, that he wanted to be judged by those who judge some kind of best new wikipedia image of the month. However, because of his images high quality, they had already been copied to the commons. This made them ineligible for the wikipedia image contest. When he went to the commons and requested deletion, he was told that while commons does sometimes delete properly licensed images -- as a courtesy -- this courtesy deletion was never done when they were already in use.
This is where the vandalism began. He went to every wiki that was using his images in its articles, and he erased "his" images from those articles. Apparently he thought that, since his images were no longer being used on those other wikis the images now qualified for courtesy deletion. No. I am not making this up.
He had fans, who tried to intercede on his behalf, who claimed he should be given special treatment, due to being (1) well-meaning; (2) a 14 year old boy genius.
Well, we have the OTRS team to confidentially, and reliably conduct correpsondence. I didn't think we should cut this vandal any breaks, based on the assumption he was a 14 year old boy genius, until he corresponded with a member of the OTRS team, and proved he was 14 years old.
Some other contributors piped up, and said "I participated fully here, when I was still, technically, a minor." I was a reasonably bright 14 year old. I think I could have participated here with enough maturity that no one would guess I was still a minor, or, if they did suspect, they wouldn't mind, because I conducted myself with grace and maturity.
The vandalism this individual carried out on the commons, and the non-English wikis, was dwarfed by the probably well-intentioned, but totally incompetently carried out quality control efforts they conducted here on en.wiki. They had been closing AFCs, had closed 972 of them. When experienced contributors reviewed some of their closures, they determined that the individual's understanding of our policies was both very limited, and often completely mistaken. So their rulings were no more accurate than rolling dice.
972 bad AFC closures? I figured it would take several lifetimes for this individual to make up for the hundreds of WP:BITEs they had dished out.
They got to get their images deleted from the commons, on the grounds that, as a 14 year old, they weren't legally competent to give away any of their IP rights.
What does this imply for your protege? First, while it is great when working on the wikipedia is not just entertaining, but provides an educational benefit to the contributor, the project's interests have to come first.
I want to be able to expect that every person who initiates an AFD has made a thorough effort to comply with WP:BEFORE. This unwillingness or inability to comply with WP:BEFORE is massively, massively damaging.
I am glad that in your experience of participating in deletion discussions you have generally found other participants trying to operate on a good faith basis. That is not my experience.
With regard to whether your protege, and other new contributors, should be discouraged from copy-editing, in favor of new content creation, when they feel confident with copy-editing. Copy-editing is important, so long as it is competently done. Your protege, however, had edged into nominating articles for deletion -- something they just didn't do competently.
There are, I believe, enough good quality references that the article on Bright Leaves could have been improved to Good Quality status, so your protege did not make just a minor mistake.
One of the most terrible problems the project faces is the huge surfeit of quality control volunteers who genuinely think they are making a positive contribution, who feel productive, because they can point to a their ! votes, where they think they fought cruft, but who aren't helping the wikipedia, at all, because they don't make the effort to actually read the articles in question, don't read the article's references, don't do their own web search to reach their own informed opinion on the notability of the topic of the article.
The more the lazy quality control volunteers, who don't comply with WP:BEFORE, are allowed free rein, the more biased the wikipedia becomes, as the AFDs they dominate aren't considering the genuine notability of the topics of these articles. Rather, since they count on the pre-existing sum of general knowledge their ! votes are actually votes, that reflect their prejudices and cultural biases. Geo Swan (talk) 17:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Nice write-up with some good points. I enjoyed the examples of past stories. But in the end, I'm still left wondering how that applies to this situation. You mention that, from your experience, you have found participants to not operate on good basis - but how does that relate here? Is there any indication that the nomination was in bad faith? What does people racking up !vote counts have to do with this? We're discussing a new editor who clearly hasn't had much experience with AfD, and Wikipedia at-large. Assuming that the nomination was not in good faith, for an ulterior motive, or not for the good of the project first is completely ignoring good faith. The issue here is simply a lack of experience.
My point is: I totally agree that WP:BEFORE is a vital process, and that it needs to be done for every nomination. When BEFORE is ignored, we end up with excessive discussions and the potential deletion of valid subjects from what you call quality control. But we're discussing a new editor. Yes, the nomination was a particularly bad one. Why not apply the principles of WP:BITE and provide a friendly approach? Why not take that time and put it to actually helping editors develop? You keep mentioning how BEFORE is a vital process - yet in the 600+ words you left our nominator, not once did you even mention BEFORE.
Take a look at Schmidt's 4-sentence message for our nominator:
  • A link to BEFORE, and a call for better pro-active searches for sources.
  • An example of sources that indicate notability.
  • A notice that the "find sources" template isn't always the best.
  • A recommendation for a withdrawal of the AfD.
I'm sure our nominator learned a lot more about AfD and BEFORE from Schmidt's message, in a lot less bitey manner. My point is - you can achieve the same effect of ensuring quality AfD nominations and curbing ignorant "quality control" in a way that is constructive, friendly, and a lot less likely to discourage new contributors. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

August 2015[edit]

Another contributor started what seemed to me a frivolous AFD. They left a questionable complaint that my comment in that AFD lapsed from CIVIL, something I disputed. I left them my best good faith advice. I think it is clear that they aren't going to take any good faith advice at face value. I am not removing their comments from my talk page. But I think their complaints are baseless, so I am enclosing them in a {{hidden}}. Geo Swan (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Non-free images[edit]

Hey Geo - I'm concerned about the replaceability and usage of the following non-free photos:

For the first two, the argument is made that the places are remote and hard to get to. That's not a particularly convincing argument for replaceability, especially since we now appear to have photos on the Commons of the site.

For the moose antlers, the argument is, again, that the place is remote - but the place is still technically accessible and the image is entirely replaceable.

For the last image: Guantanamo is obviously hard to access, though the US government publishes its photos into the public domain and we already have many images of camp 6 that show similar areas. The image's purpose of use is listed as showing the TV and common area privileges, though that's something that is adequately conveyed by a combination of text and the free images we currently have of the camp.

Just giving you a heads up if you have any disagreement with these. Otherwise, I'll be tagging them for deletion and/or discussion soon. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lazhar Ben Mohamed Tlil[edit]

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Dwayne Tryumf on WikiAlpha[edit]

You may want to go look at his profile on WikiAlpha and the one on Wikipedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 08:32, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@The Cross Bearer:. I took a look. I am not really that experienced at what does and doesn't meet the special notability criteria for musical artists. I don't think he would measure up to the criteria of the WP:General notability guideline. I think winning a mainstream musical award would guarantee sailing past notability concerns. How many of the references you found were from mainstream publications, not Christian publications?
Feel free to keep me posted. Good luck! Geo Swan (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: Church Street[edit]

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Why those voicing a delete should keep their hands off an article at least until it survives AFD[edit]

I was going to leave you a note on User talk:Freshacconci, until I saw that contributor had made the unusual choice to stop archiving their talk page. So I am going to leave my message to them on my talk page, and merely provide a link to it on their talk page.

@Freshacconci:, you excised a paragraph, from the article on Sarah Coyne, with the edit summary "this is a PhD thesis and is only referenced to itself; not appropriate". I reverted your excision. I have never come across a challenge to a reference's RS status, simply because it was a PhD thesis. Your assertion that it "is only referenced to itself" -- are you asserting the author didn't cite their sources for the conclusions about Coyne and Trudeau? If so, could you go back and look more closely? She cited political cartoons and articles by political columnists. Is it possible that you unintentionally slipped into editorializing, and excised the reference because you didn't like it?

By excising an innocuous passage from the article, AND voicing a delete opinion, I think you are engaging in a practice that erodes collegiality and triggers distrust. I have written about my concerns with this practice before. By long standing tradition, when an article is challenged, those who think a challenged article merits inclusion in the wikipedia are encouraged to try to address the concerns raised by those who voiced delete opinions, by making improvements to the article, during the AFD period.

Policy doesn't preclude those arguing for delete from editing articles, after they voiced delete. And, when I have raised this issue on ANI, in the past, the most common response has been some variation of -- "but the nominator might think they have to remove obvious court-case triggering slander!"

Without regard to what policy might say, I strongly recommend against this practice, because, to the person who is trying to improve the article, so it survives AFD, this kind of edit is a trial, and it can be very easy for the article's defender to see the kind of edit you made as a kind of bad faith editing.

Please think about this kind of edit this way -- even if, for the sake of argument, there is only one defender of the article; they are the only person who thinks the article can be improved to the point where it survives AFD. When their attempts to improve the article are reverted they are likely to think the AFD was not a fair process. They are likely to think that, if only those pesky people hadn't reverted their good faith attempts to improved the article it might have survived its AFD.

So, why not let the deluded defender(s) have a free hand in their attempts to improve the article? Then, if the article still ends up being deleted, at least they can't think it was deleted due to deletionists edit-warring with them. If you think the article might survive AFD solely because someone slipped in bad references, bad passages, and that other participants in the AFD won't look as closely as you, and won't realize that those references, or passages, were tricky, counter-policy, possibly bad faith -- why not voice this concern in the AFD discussion, rather than excising the passage.

Note, I am not accussing you of bad faith. I assume that the points above never occurred to you. I have seen a few other people engage in this practice who were unquestionably motivated by bad faith. I have encountered nominators who can't stand the idea of their AFD failing, and work hard to damage the article, to make sure it is deleted, and I have encountered contributors who vandalize and engage in edit-warring over article due to their own private, POV agenda.

There was an article, a number of years ago, where my attempts to add material to improve an article were thwarted by a full half-dozen self-righteous POV pushers. So, I strongly urge you to consider not both editing an article, and voicing a delete opinion, at the same time. If the article survives AFD? Go ahead and make good faith edits. Geo Swan (talk) 12:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

I think we have a mutual friend in Norm Marcon. If so, I have nothing but the greatest admiration for you. My office is down the hall from him. All the best -- Samir 22:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I don't know a Norm Marcon. Maybe I'll meet him one day. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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User:Geo Swan/gbay/Salen Abdul Salem Ghereby[edit]

Hi Geo Swan, I know you have lots of Guantanamo Bay drafts (very old drafts) and notes but I was looking at User:Geo Swan/gbay/Salen Abdul Salem Ghereby and some others which concern me at the moment. As the page is, since there aren't any sources and Ghereby looks like a living person, the page on its own is a BLP violation (regardless of the fact that it is parroting allegations, it's still an unsourced allegation that a living person was at the least accused being a member of a terrorist organization). What do you think? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Moved from your user page[edit]

I don't know how else to contact you. My name is Leona Sykes and I am the mother of Laura Vanessa Sykes, the young woman who fell to her death from the 148th floor of the Burj Khalifa. I have all the evidence to prove it. Please connect with me on my google+ page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.88.6.117 (talkcontribs) 14:10, 29 December 2015

  • Ms Sykes,
  1. My condolences over the loss of your daughter.
  2. Have I written about your daughter somewhere?
  3. If you are wondering about whether the wikipedia should cover your daughter's death, or if you are wondering whether there should be an article devoted to your daughter...
    1. Wikipedia contributors watch to make sure other contributors stick to certain principles -- like that the wikipedia is not a "publisher of original thought". The article on Burj Khalifa can cover deaths there, provided books or newspapers wrote about them. Any explanations of her death would have to be a summary or paraphrase of what a reliable source said about the death.
    2. Some wikipedia contributors devote their energy to making sure all the wikipedia's articles on individuals measure up to certain notability criteria. I know, from experience, that some of those contributors can be quite dogged about a particular criteria. I know almost nothing about your daughter, but I can assure you that unless there was some other aspect of her life that was "notable", beyond her death, they would argue that coverage of her death belonged in the Burj Khalifa article, not in a standalone article.
If you want to have a private discussion of your daughter, or whether there shoudl be a standalone article about her, please create a wikipedia ID of your own, and then you can use the "email this user" button to send me a private email.
Let me repeat my condolences. Geo Swan (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Old userspace "articles"[edit]

I notice that you still have many old (more than one year, often more than five years old) "rough notes" articles about BLPs (often accused of or involved with criminal or contentious activities) in your user space. Per WP:FAKEARTICLE, these should be deleted if they can't be moved to the mainspace. These include pages like User:Geo Swan/Amir Hamza (Balkh) (created in April 2012, never edited since, clear BLP violation), User:Geo Swan/Fa‘iz al-Shanbari (created in 2009, last edited in 2012), and User:Geo Swan/working/Adel Nakhla (created in 2007, last edited by you in 2010).

There have been previous requests for you to go through your user space and remove all such pages. Please check all your user space subpages and request deletion for all stale drafts (even if they are called "rough notes"), userfied articles, BLPs and the like. Fram (talk) 13:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I notice that you have edited since my post, and even replied here to another post, but haven't done anything about the above problems nor replie here to acknowledge that you are busy doing this. Perhaps you simply missed my post. Could you please indicate what you plan to do about this and in what timeframe? Fram (talk) 08:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I moved these stale drafts links onto one page User:Geo_Swan/Stale_drafts before I noticed these posts from Fram and another higher up from User:Ricky81682 so pinging them. Legacypac (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

reply from my talk page re guantanamo[edit]

Hi Geo Swan, sorry for the delay. I believe I did respond to you last time but it has been a while. I am happy for the two projects to be merged if you believe they are lists of the same thing, be bold and merge and I will have no problem with it. I am currently quite busy in real life so wont be able to dedicate too much time to Wikipedia apart from the occasional gnomish edits and quick fixes. All the best.Calaka (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks (WRT [2]) Geo Swan (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hey Geo - how goes it? I prodded Ali Mohammad. Doesn't meet notability - significant coverage. I saw you created it after the prod and just read your xfd suggestion. Maybe you agree he isn't notable now? Although I think the page should stay as a disambiguation page. Cheers - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 05:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Joseph Tezanos[edit]

If the topic was a Coast Guard employee, then the Coast Guard's own website is a primary source which is not, in and of itself, proof of notability. And the academic credentials of the individual who wrote the Arlington Cemetery piece don't change the fact that the Arlington Cemetery, in and of itself, is not a media outlet. It's certainly true that the sourcing has been improved somewhat since I flagged it two years ago, but my assessment was correct as applied to the sourcing that was present at the time. Bearcat (talk) 23:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Taking Einstein Syndrome to DRV[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Einstein_syndrome as you wanted. Only saw your response now. Ylevental (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Byron Hyde[edit]

That article has been deleted several times, including for blatant copyright infringement. Since there are copyrights involved, the admin that deleted on that ground should be consulted because I won't overturn her or his decision. WP:DRV is another avenue. Cheers, Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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editorial conflict - Salah Abdeslam[edit]

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I'd like you to review https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salah_Abdeslam&action=history, 16:31, 25 March 2016 to 22:08, 25 March 2016‎ please, because the editor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.40.114.242 is including categories concerning the presumed homosexuality or bisexuality and involvement supossedly as a "rent-boy" of the individual, but I see no evidence to show he is these things, as I think is demonstrated at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salah_Abdeslam#supposed_homosexuality_or_bisexuality_of_Abdeslam, Thanks (in advance). 6cb49af5c4 (talk) 22:23, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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César Emiliano Hernández Ochoa[edit]

FYI... In your last edit, you added a ref that wasn't used and it was missing a ref tag. I'm not sure what you had planned, so I removed it. Do what is needed.

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Ted Cruz[edit]

I have no idea what you were trying to do in your recent edit to Ted Cruz, but you have violated WP:BLP as the sources you used for adding contentious material are not high quality reliable sources per BLP policy. Politrukki (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't believe I have had any prior contact with User:Politrukki. My edit had the edit summary "add references". The edit summary from Politrukki's reversion was "Undid revision 713899294 by Geo Swan (talk): per WP:BLP"
Since I had merely included the references, in the references section, and had not added any text that cited them, I dispute I lapsed from compliance with WP:BLP. Geo Swan (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I forgot to say hi!Face-smile.svg I don't believe we have been introduced.
I was – and still am – dumbfounded by your edit, because you seem to be very experienced editor. I would be delighted if you could enlighten me, but if you were going to add some content per your sources, please don't repeat any rumours.
  1. You added references without adding any visible content.
  2. The references apparently weren't connected to anything that is currently included in the article.
  3. The sources you used were tabloids and some book. I didn't even bother to follow the links, but my guess is that they contain the same kind of rumours that have circulated on social media. If you were going to add something from these sources, they would hardly produce anything useful anyway. See WP:BLPSOURCES.
  4. Perhaps I'm overzealous in interpreting WP:BLP, but I think that even so called hidden content – in this case insinuations, however vague, in URLs and quotes you added in quote parameter – is "material" that falls under WP:BLP. Politrukki (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
  1. I created those references when I was working on other articles. I thought those references were relevant to Ted Cruz. I thought actual content should reference references like those. That was going to be my next step. I got interrupted by the activities of daily life. I didn't see that as a problem, as unused references don't show.
  2. Yeah, see above.
  3. You didn't follow the links -- just guessed at what they contain? Ooo... Are you sure that is defensible?
  4. I agree, you are taking BLP far too far. When Cruz has gone, on record, responding to an allegation, that definitely establishes the allegation as something that can be covered in ways that fully comply with WP:BLP, WP:UNDUE, etc.
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  1. Robert Tait (2016-04-05). "Ted Cruz's phone number 'appeared in madam's phone list', magazine claims". The Telegraph. Retrieved 2016-04-06. Mr Sibley told the National Enquirer that “time is of the essence” in publishing because it has phone numbers containing information “relevant to voters before they cast their ballot”. 
  2. Dylan Baddour (2016-04-05). "Cruz doubles down blaming Trump 'henchmen' for sex scandal rumors". Houston Chronicle. Retrieved 2016-04-06. In a Fox News interview with Megyn Kelly, aired late Monday, Cruz offered his most direct refutation yet of unsupported allegations that he's courted a handful of mistresses in recent years. 
  3. Josh Feldman (2016-04-04). "Megyn Kelly Asks Cruz About Rumors That He's Had Affairs". Mediaite. Retrieved 2016-04-06. 
OK, got it. Thanks! Let's continue the discussion on Talk:Ted Cruz if there's something to discuss. I apologize for accusing you of violating BLP policy so bluntly. I should have been more tentative. Politrukki (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Okay, see you there. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Clarification you requested[edit]

Just making sure you saw my response here. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

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