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Replaceable fair use File:Florin Fodor in Grise Fiord - October 2006.jpg[edit]

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Thanks for uploading File:Florin Fodor in Grise Fiord - October 2006.jpg. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of fair use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of fair use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the file description page and add the text {{Di-replaceable fair use disputed|<your reason>}} below the original replaceable fair use template, replacing <your reason> with a short explanation of why the file is not replaceable.
  2. On the file discussion page, write a full explanation of why you believe the file is not replaceable.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media item by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by creating new media yourself (for example, by taking your own photograph of the subject).

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these media fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per the non-free content policy. If you have any questions, please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Aspects (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

This is the text I put in the {{Di-replaceable fair use disputed}} tag
I am surprised by the suggestion this image is replaceable with a free image. (1) Obviously, none of us has a time machine, to go back a dozen years, and capture Mr Fodor's arrival, and release that as a free image. (2) Couldn't an image of a boat like this boat serve as an adequate substitute for this image? Absolutely not. If an RS said Fodor arrived in a specific model of pleasure craft, then a free image of that model of boat would be an adequate substitute. But we don't have that.

I can't help thinking that Aspects who applied the tag to challenge this image, didn't really pay attention, when they read the description, and the article.

Fodor risked his life in this boat. He traveled something like 2,000 kilometers, in some of the most isolated and dangerous waters on Planet Earth. He had practically run out of fuel, by the time he arrived at his destination.

Cuba and Florida are about 140 kilometers apart. The Caribean is warm. Border-jumpers don't have to dodge icebergs. If they fall in, they won't freeze to death in less than half an hour. They can leave and arrive before it gets dark. None of this was true for Fodor's dangerous expedition.

Perhaps user Aspect was confused by this much more common and much safer route, and didn't understand how truly dangerous and unprecedented this voyage was?

Fodor's attempt to sneak into Canada, from Greenland was unprecedented. No one had ever done it before. No one has done it since.

Fodor had a very poor understanding of Canada, of Canada's north. He had no idea how small Grise Fiord is. He had no idea that his arrival would be the very first unscheduled arrival in history. The owner of the local General Store schedules one delivery, by freighter, per year. In 2018, the community gets a couple of visits from very small cruise ships, bearing adventure tourists. But, in 2006, there was nothing like that. Even locals, from other northern communities, fly in. The closest communities are all way to far to make visits by sea.

In my opinion, an accurate understanding of his expedition requires the use of this non-free image.

Edit warring[edit]

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Your recent editing history at Florin Fodor shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Muboshgu, we are all supposed to assume good faith. I am prepared to act on the assumption that our interaction does not represent your best work.
  • Okay, are you sure you weren't too hasty in leaving this warning template here?
  1. I checked. You escalated to {{Uw-3rr}}, skipping {{Uw-1rr}}.
  2. I saw this comment you left at WP:Requests for page protection. I am not a mind-reader. I won't presume I can know, for sure, what you really meant. But, realistically, you do realize this comment looks like I triggered you to get annoyed? Don't the guidelines for administrators recommend only putting on your administrator hat when you have no emotional involvement? Maybe you are super mellow, and you have no emotional involvement, but your comment merely gives the appearance of emotional involvement? Do you think this should have been enough to leave giving me a warning to some other administrator, who hasn't given the appearance of emotional involvement?

    From my perspective you gave me an unexplained refusal, not what I regard as an "answer".

  3. Doesn't WP:Edit_warring#Exemptions explicitly list exemptions? Isn't the third exemption: "Reverting actions performed by banned users in violation of their ban, and sockpuppets of banned or blocked users"?

    Can I draw your attention to This SPI? 2605:8d80:687:6af4:468a:6d2d:8181:6d4, the IP that accused me of violating 3RR, is a very near neighbour of 2605:8D80:6A4:7C4E:9883:EC1C:31FB:AED0, 2605:8D80:620:DD8F:B26:F0B9:46AD:93C0, 2605:8D80:621:9057:ABBD:2A7:96DC:3706, 2605:8D80:621:BF5D:30A:9331:CF04:A2FE -- other IPs they have used in the past.

    Is there really any doubt that these IP edits were the work of a sockpuppetmaster?

  4. Strictly speaking, four edits that span a period of greater than 24 hours, aren't normally considered a lapse from WP:3RR, right? Yes, I understand sometimes a dogged individual is still warned for 3RR, even if their edits don't, strictly speaking, lapse from 3RR. But I encourage you to reconsider this warning. I think if you look more closely, and fairly, it was very clear I was reverting a vandal, someone who was using sockpuppetry to evade our rules.
  5. Yes, I know 2605:8d80:687:6af4:468a:6d2d:8181:6d4's edit summary said "3RR violation". But why would you take a claim like this, at face value, when it was from an IP address, probably being used by a sockpuppetmaster? The time-stamps show that I made four reversions, but over the course of 28 hours. Their edit summaries, while giving a surface appearance of normality, include wild distortions. This edit, for instance, was not reverting vandalism, for any reasonable definition of vandalism. The IP contributor(s) kept deleting both the non-free image, AND Image:Orthographic sisimiut, qaanag, grise fiord.png, an image I created myself, so I know, for an absolute fact, it was published under a free license.

    Maybe you are not really familiar how experienced wikihounders operate. Bogus edit summaries, that give the surface appearance of regularity, are their standard operating procedure.

    Their bogus edit summaries chastised me for not discussing my edits, on Talk:Florin Fodor. I think I did explain myself, on the talk page. Did you simply take those edit summaries at face value, without taking a look at Talk:Florin Fodor for yourself?

    Maybe the use of non-free images is not one of the aspects of the wikipedia where you aren't experienced? The sockpuppet's deceptive edit summaries chastise me to including a non-free image -- without first getting consensus for its use. Well, that is not how non-free images are used. We have strict rules as to when non-free images can be used. But not only do those rules not require a prior consensus, this prior consensus is not actually possible, as non-free images that are not currently in use on an article are subject to speedy deletion.

    Rather, when a contributor thinks there is non-free image that measures up to our non-free inclusion criteria, they (1) fill out a non-free rationale, explaining how it meets our criteria; (2) upload the image; and (3) immediately include the image in the article(s) they claimed justified its use. I repeat, our procedure has no place for seeking consensus first.

    Of course we have procedures for those who disagree whether an image measures up to our non-free inclusion criteria to challenge the image. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz challenged the image's use by snipping it from the article. When they snipped it in 2017 they justified the snip by saying it shouldn't be used in the infobox. I've never heard of that restriction, but I satisfied their stated concern by moving it out of the infobox. The second time they snipped the image, they didn't really explain why they removed it. So I asked them to return to the talk page, and offer an explanation. HW did not return, and offer a policy based explanation for their excision, so, seven days later, I restored the image to the article, and said that was what I had done.

    Articles are only supposed to be {{prod}}ed once. I think that, after my call for explanation, on the talk page, subsequent concerns over the image have to escalate, just like how a prod is challenged by a full AFD, I think tagging the image is a next logical step for challengers. Aspects placed that tag, a completely policy compliant choice.

    When an article is being discussed at AFD, we would all recognize that challengers who chose to blank the article, or totally gut the article, instead of just offering their opinion, in the AFD discussion, were committing vandalism. I think if you consult other administrators, experienced with dealing with non-free images, they will back me up, that, when a non-free image has a challenge tag, excising it from the article(s) where it is being used is disruptive. I offered my rebuttal to the challenge tag. I think if you consult other administrators, experienced with dealing with non-free images, they will tell you that, while the challenge tag is in place, additional individuals with challenges to the image's use should offer their further arguments, on the image's talk page, or by placing a different non-free-image-challenge tag, on the image.

    That is why I described the IP's excisions as vandalism.

    Now that another administrator has offered an official opinion on the challenge tag, I think the next step would be WP:REVDEL.

    I am going to repeat I think it was a mistake, on your part, to take the edit summaries of a sockpuppetmaster at face value.

  6. Doesn't the warning template you placed explicitly suggest "In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection." I tried requesting semi-protection, and the administrator who reviewed my request, uh you, turned down my request, without, it seems to me, any meaningful explanation.

    I am not experienced at page protection. I think this was my very first request. In my opinion, every question, every disagreement, is a teachable moment.

    You might think it was obvious why you turned down my request? nothing is obvious.

    In my opinion, we should be able to rely on our administrators to set a good example to less experienced contributors. In my opinion setting a good example implies taking reasonable steps to make sure their acts and comments are understood.

    My first experience with an article being locked from editing was also the first time an administrator threatened to place a block on me. I made a good faith addition to an article, one that I thought was neutrally written, and properly referenced, only to have it promptly excised, with a missing or inadequate edit summary. I genuinely thought that excision was vandalism, and restored my addition, saying "revert unexplained excision". The other party reverted me, and locked the article so only administrators could edit it. They kept it locked, and refused to explain what they were doing, until they had put in place their preferred version. They then threatened to block me. What exactly would I have to do, to trigger that block? Unclear. I couldn't get them to answer that question. They didn't offer any kind of explanation, on the article's talk page, while it was locked. And the post lock explanation was pretty weak. It turned out they weren't very good at web searches. They thought the only references that backed up what I contributed were from Alex Jones Infowar site, or one of its clandestine mirrors. But they failed to find several legitimate RS completely unrelated Infowar. I had this threat of a block hanging over me, without knowing, specifically, what was going to trigger it, with the administrator's justification for the block deeply flawed. (This was about 10 years ago, and I had never heard of infowars.)

    Administrators really have to be both careful and respectful when they issue warnings. In my opinion, it is a huge mistake when the warning is based on a misconception. In my opinion, it is a huge mistake when the warning is not clear as to what the administrator thinks should trigger it.

  7. You removed updates about the excisions of the image from the article, that I left on File:Florin_Fodor_in_Grise_Fiord_-_October_2006.jpg, with the edit summary "this is also inappropriate behavior". Okay, as above, I am going to assume you aren't really familiar with how we deal with non-free images.

    This is not the first image I have uploaded where someone has inappropriately excised the image from the relevant articles. Another image I considered valuable was excised when someone excised the image from the article shortly before the challenge tag expired. Based on that experience I decided it was critical to inform the administrator dealing with the challenge tag that parties had excising it from the article. I don't want to see non-free images that would have successfully passed their challenges being deleted because someone made sure they didn't satisfy the criteria of being in use in an appropriate article, right before the decision was made. So, no, I think your comment that my updates were inappropriate is incorrect.

  8. Just to be clear -- this warning you left for me here -- you were threatening to block me, if I made further edits to Florin Fodor, correct?

    As above, I think it would be a mistake for you to issue me any administrator warnings, after your apparently emotional comment.

    But, when an administrator issues warnings that they will consider blocking an individual, don't you think it would be better if those warnings were more specific than the one you seem to have issued?

    You realize that the sockpuppet also repeatedly excised Image:Orthographic sisimiut, qaanag, grise fiord.png with no legitimate justification, whatsoever? If your threat of a block was legitimate, would it have applied to restoration of this map, that I made personally, specifically for this article, and which I know has no copyright issues?

    Now that another administrator has officially declined the challenge tag, if the next step for a challenger is REVDEL, would your threat to block me, if I restored the image, still stand?

AGF. I am happy to act on the assumption that your response(s) to my requests for semi-protection, and other comments and edits, in response to my comments and edits, do not represent your best work.
Years ago I wrote a user essay on apologies. That is still my position. People hate feeling forced to apologize so much I would rather forgo being apologized to. I do, however, strongly appreciate some kind of acknowledgement that the other party recognizes they erred -- necessary, in my opinion, to re-establish trust.

I do my best to own up when I recognize I was in error. I do so even when it is unpleasant. I think I do an OK job acknowledging when I recognize my mistakes. And I would like to think I could expect the same from my wikipedia collaborators. Geo Swan (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

P.S. I will be very disappointed if your response is a TLDR, or any variation there-of. Geo Swan (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Rahaf Zina for deletion[edit]

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Orphaned non-free image File:Hamidullah Khan -- a youth held in Bagram.jpg[edit]

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Nomination of Abdullah Yahia Yousf Al Shabli for deletion[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Habib Ullah[edit]

A tag has been placed on Habib Ullah, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

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  • Deleted by RHaworth, about an hour after it was tagged. As I noted on User_talk:RHaworth#Your assistance please..., I don't particularly remember this article, when I started it, or when I last worked on it. I requested a copy of my last revision be sent, by email. Geo Swan (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
    • (Some?) of the history of Habib Ullah has been restored. It shows my last edit was to turn Habib Ullah into a redirect, in 2007. It looks like there are some deleted edits, where, presumably, somebody may have then turned the redirect into an attack page. I asked the tagger to consider whether they should not have left the heads-up on the contributor who turned the redirect into an attack page. Geo Swan (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Hikmat Nafi Shaukat for deletion[edit]

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New Page Review Newsletter No.10[edit]

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Orphaned non-free image File:Kalafani youtube recruiting video.jpg[edit]

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Stale draft[edit]

Greetings! I've been combing through stale drafts recently, and happened upon one of yours: User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/not ready yet/Bacha Khan (Guantanamo captive 529). Unless you have some reason you would like to keep it, would you be willing to either blank it or request it be speedily deleted by adding {{db-u1}}? Thanks! Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Stale draft[edit]

Greetings! I've been combing through stale drafts recently, and happened across one of yours: User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Brook DeWalt. As you do not appear to be currently using it, I was wondering if you'd be willing to either blank it or request its deletion by tagging it with {{db-u1}}. Thanks! Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:58, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 2[edit]

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Please be more careful[edit]

Please be aware that someone editing anonymously is not a reason to revert their edits. Please ensure you assume good faith. Continuing to revert edits based on this can be grounds for blocking as it is against the rules and spirit of Wikipedia. It may be prudent to read about our community prior to continuing to edit as competency is required. You can also visit the tea house if you have further questions. 2605:8D80:686:AFAA:AB44:F871:7412:80AF (talk) 02:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

  • For the record 2605:8D80:686:AFAA:AB44:F871:7412:80AF resorts to using anonymous IP addresses to evade their well deserved indefinite block.
  • Yes, I did make a series of reversions of another anonymous IP -- who was continuing to make horrible racist edits, in spite of a series of warnings.
  • This edit reverted the SPA's substitution of "execution" with POV "torture-murder". It reverted the frankly racist passage "...The details confirmed the opinions of many that the Indians were irreparably savage..."
  • In this edit I reverted the SPA's indefensible insertion of "savage" prior to Shawnee. This was both racist and unrefenced.
  • In this edit I reverted "...pointed up the baleful effect of warlike, caste-ridden Prussia on the German character..." also racist and unreferenced. Geo Swan (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thanks For The Heads Up[edit]

Thanks for the heads up. Yes, World Lamest Critic has been (or was) following me around for sometime, obsessed with me, doing everything they could to get rid of articles I'd created. This person was seriously obsessed, it was unreal. No administrator did anything about it though. My nickname for them was World's Lamest Sockpuppet. I also got a message once from Wikipedia that someone was trying to access my account but failed to use the correct password several times, someone was trying to hack my account on Wikipedia. If I can go back and find out what their original account was I will let you know. Neptune's Trident (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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  • Thanks. WLC left a faux "friendly reminder" on the commons. Geo Swan (talk) 16:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for letting me know about this and the "friendly reminder". By the way, I'm not J.C. Maçek as some editor on here seems to believe. Neptune's Trident (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • P.S. It says who this user is right on their talk page: Govindaharihari
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:World%27s_Lamest_Critic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Govindaharihari
Just letting you know. Neptune's Trident (talk) 15:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)o
  • Wow! That WLC! Here he has the nerve to pretend he didn't write "I don't mean this in an insulting way, but do A you happen to have a spectrum disorder? It may explain some of our communication difficulties."
  • What does the first sentence of spectrum disorder say? It says it is a "mental disorder".
  • What does the first sentence of mental disorder say? It says "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning."
  • The wikipedia's civility rules and conventions tell us to try to confine discussions to editorial issues, and refrain from insulting comments. At Wikipedia_talk:No_personal_attacks#NPA question [1] WLC was explicitly told his comments seemed insulting. WLC even has the nerve to claim that, somehow, I am the one who is insulting other people, by describing spectrum disorder as a mental illness.
  • My general policy on how to respond to rudeness and persone seral attacks is to do my best to take the high road, and not "respond in kind". I figure the project is best served when at least one party to a disagreement remains civil. Occasionally difficult people will return to civility when one is consistently civil. I did my best to not respond in kind to WLC's abuse, and I think I did an okay job.
  • But does WP:AGF only apply to other wikipedia contributors? Now that they have been indefinitely blocked do I have any remaining obligation to try to AGF about WLC? Geo Swan (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Holy moly! Well, I'd say a certain editor (and I don't mean you, Geo Swan) is really going off the deep end, only in my opinion. He (or she, they) really is obsessed. Crazy. Neptune's Trident (talk) 03:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • P.S. Note to Geo Swan and other third parties World's Lamest Critic has also been Wikistalking me as well for some time, following me around Wikipedia and messaging me and accusing me of being someone who I am not. Not sure if there's anything that can be done about this but I just wanted to make it known. Neptune's Trident (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • P.S.S. Note to Geo Swan and other third parties, World's Lamest Critic left me another rather ominous "you've been naughty again..." message here. Neptune's Trident (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.11 25 May 2018[edit]

Hello Geo Swan, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

ACTRIAL:

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Rachel Giese[edit]

I use Twinkle (an automated service) to initiate AFD discussions, which is supposed to automatically notify the relevant parties. So no, there was no wrongdoing or oversight on my part — if you failed to get a notification, then Twinkle had a technical hiccup of some kind that I have no control over or responsibility to answer for. But it's precisely because such things can happen that you also have the personal responsibility to watchlist your own work so that you're not depending solely on external notifications to be aware of such things.

It's certainly possible that Rachel Giese would be notable enough for a Wikipedia article if it had been referenced properly — but it's unconditionally true that the sources you used to support the article were not ones that got her over WP:GNG. A person does not qualify for a Wikipedia article by sourcing it to her own staff profiles on the websites of her own employers, or to pieces of her own writing about other things, or to Q&A interviews in which she's the speaker and not the subject, or to her own book's publication details on Google Books — a person gets a Wikipedia article by being the subject of reliable source coverage in media, and thye only source you added which met that standard was covering her in the context of buying a house with her wife, not in the context of anything relevant to her notability as a journalist.

The question of whether she clears a notability standard or not is not about what the article says she did — it's about how well you can or can't reference what it says she did, and you didn't reference it the correct way to make it includable. So, yeah, I'd say you have a bit of a blind spot about what it takes to demonstrate that a person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article — because none of the references you used to support that version were notability-supporting ones at all.

Regardless, the page will be at User:Geo Swan/Rachel Giese for you momentarily. Bearcat (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the userification.
WRT watchlists, the WMF is a cash-rich non-profit. They employ a team of software developers, who, sadly, release pointless, terrible "wizards", rather than improvements that would really help improve the project. I am one of the most prolific contributors, and I outgrew watchlists a decade ago. I had edited so many articles that going through my watchlist, once a day, would take more time than I had allocated for a whole day's contributions. The WMF developers should have provided us with multiple watchlists, and improved ways of looking at our watchlists. On my wishlist would be a way to be shown articles from my watchlist, when they were edited by someone else -- but only if my last edit was also recent, ie yesterday, or the last week, or the last month.
WRT your comments on notability and blindspots -- sorry I have a committee meeting tonight, so I can't reply to those comments satisfactorily now. I will reply soon. Geo Swan (talk) 22:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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James Duane[edit]

Did you not bother to look at the article before disambiguating? The Continental Congressman and the Mayor of New York are the same person! bd2412 T 16:23, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Are they BD2412? It is important for all of us, you and I and everyone else, to remember we are subject to normal human fallibility. The project works best if we remember the good faith mistakes of others are forgiveable. I consider your good faith mistakes forgiveable. I encourage you to accept that the good faith mistakes of other people are forgiveable. Geo Swan (talk) 16:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
It is clearly stated in the first line of the article. I'll be the first to forgive good faith mistakes, but more care should be taken when making the highly disruptive step of unilaterally and without discussion moving a heavily linked page. Going forward, you should probably just use WP:RM to propose such moves. If there had been a discussion, someone would have caught this before it became an issue. bd2412 T 20:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • BD2412 just to be clear, are you saying you don't believe my mistake was made in good faith?
You used the phrase "going forward". I started going forward, and disambiguating references to James Duane, to point to James Duane (Continental Congress). It looks like it didn't occur to you to tell me you moved the article back to James Duane. So, the following good faith edits of mine were a waste of time: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13].
The wikipedia relies on a volunteer workforce. Even if we feel angry at another contributor I suggest it is best to communicate clearly with them. Nothing is improved by withholding information from them, so they waste their time, even if, for the sake of argument, we think they wasted our time.
I have an essay on apologies. Please read it if you think I should feel obliged to apologize. Geo Swan (talk) 22:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I am sure that your edits were made in good faith, but the move indicates an insufficient investigation of the subject matter on which it was premised. I was not aware that you were fixing links to the page, and cannot possibly inform every editor who might be doing so, given the breadth of the disambiguation community. However, this is precisely the reason why editors moving pages with substantial numbers of incoming links need to be sure that they are on the right track in so doing. Any editor can revert an undiscussed move, without notice to anyone else. Consider WP:Chesterton's fence. My time was wasted too, here. I started fixing these links, and it very quickly occurred to me that it would be very unusual for Wikipedia to be missing an article on a New York City Mayor. It only took a short time to research the question, but that was still time that I had to spend on it. I don't expect an apology. I expect that you will, in the future, apply that kind of forward thinking to these kinds of situations. bd2412 T 23:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
As a postscript, I think that you are overall a very good editor, and don't mean to detract from that opinion here. bd2412 T 23:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Fireboat article moved to draft[edit]

Another editor moved your article to draft space. You can find it at Draft:Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI I think the fireboat is named "Marine 5". Eastmain (talkcontribs) 10:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I still don't understand why you wanted it moved from draft space to user space. You complain of a wikistalker, but I don't see evidence of a wikistalker. Maybe a vandal, but the usual way to deal with vandals is to revert and protect. I still don't understand. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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I need you help to save my first article Spandana Palli[edit]

I tried my best to get all the references and follow all the guidelines of wikipedia but I am being targeted from different sources. and as a beginner I am unable to save my article.Requesting to kindly save my first article and so that I will have trust that beginner can also contribute in wikipedia.

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Infobox at Te Kukupa[edit]

I added an infobox to Te Kukupa, but I left most of the lines blank because I didn't have the information. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 16:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Geo Swan/Eyad Alrababah[edit]

I'm going to delete this as a BLP violation. The closest these sources come to calling him an "Al-Qaida associate" is in that Fox article, which is sensationalist and reports only hearsay--and that is the source for your suggestion of continued importance, with "some commentators and legislators continued to call for his case to be further investigated", citing a few ex-FBI agents with a chip on their shoulder. The NY Daily News doesn't help you much either. So, case closed, suspect not guilty, no notability, and "routinely characterizes [sic] as an 'al Qaeda associate'" is simply not true. Drmies (talk) 22:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Drmies, I have read the draft, and do not consider it a BLP violation. I think he is essentially a public figure. The actual crimes of which he was convicted are minor, but nottheir obvious implications. He is discussed in two books, one of which, written by a NYT reporter with an article on WP, received a significant mainstream prize, , and the other from a less reliable Fox reporter, but published by a well known reliable mainstream publisher. The draft is sourced from articles in mainstream major newspapers--Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, & others. DGG ( talk ) 00:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I strongly disagree and urge you to look at which parts were sourced to the Fox article, for instance. And "discussed" in those books--they are mere mentions. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Bad faith?[edit]

...a comment that implied bad faith, on my part

There's a reason for that. Hint: your track record.

A reminder -- as you surely need one -- that the guideline is "assume good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary". Perhaps you should pay more attention to all the warnings YOU'VE received over the years. --Calton | Talk 01:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Calton's comment, above, seems to be in response to this comment I left at Talk:St. Catherine University#explanation.
  • When I find myself interacting with individuals who I find confrontational, I do my best to keep my cool, and give mild answers, that show respect for AGF, for various reasons, I have explained many times. I think I did an okay job here.
  • In my most recent comment in that thread I directed their attention to User:Geo Swan/opinions/Pick one, an essay that suggests that individuals who are reckless about other people's feelings, undermine their credibility when they claim their feelings are being hurt. Geo Swan (talk) 23:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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  • This NFCC image was replaced by a free image. Geo Swan (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

Hello Geo Swan, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules
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About the Fireboat article[edit]

Hi, Geo! A comment about your article Fireboats of San Diego: the section heading “Port of San Diego” is misleading. The Port of San Diego is a quasi-governmental agency established in 1962 to serve all of San Diego Bay. The history that you are quoting there predates the creation of the Port and appears to be about the City of San Diego’s firefighting, not the Port’s. In fact the history you are quoting is from the city’s Fire-Rescue Department history page. --MelanieN (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

AfroCine: Join us for the Months of African Cinema in October![edit]

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Humud Dakhil Humud Sa'id Al-((Jad'an[edit]

You created the an article at the title Humud Dakhil Humud Sa'id Al-((Jad'an in May 2006, moving it to Humud Dakhil Humud Sa'id Al Jad'an 1 minute later. The article was redirected to List of Saudi detainees at Guantanamo Bay in 2011. Do you think the original title still (with the "((") has value? If not you may want to tag it for G7 speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your interest.
I think you are suggesting that this is an implausible redirect...
On April 20th, and May 15th, 2006, the DoD published its first two official lists of captives held in Guantanamo. Prior to the publication of these lists the DoD refused to identify the men and boys.
The first list was of the 668 men and boys who had had a Combatant Status Review Tribunal convened to review whether they were an "enemy combatant". The second list was supposed to be a comprehensive list of everyone held in Guantanamo.
Almost 100 individuals had their names spelled inconsistently on the two lists. Wow. How did that happen.
This man was one of over a dozen men who had parentheses in the DoD's official version of his name.
So, I disagree it was, it is, an implausible redirect.
Thousands of newspapers republished those official lists. Anyone looking at old references from 2006 could come across the old, apparently implausible names, and want to know who it really refered to.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough - it is a plausible redirect then (contrary to my first thought). I'll copy this to the article talk page to enlighten anyone else who stumbles across it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

Hello Geo Swan, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news
As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.
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Moving to Draft and Page Mover
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WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge submissions[edit]

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Welcome to the Months of African Cinema![edit]

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The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which has been dedicated to improving contents that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

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Nomination of Dawa wa Irshad for deletion[edit]

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  • I recommended redirection, and the article was, eventually, redirected. Geo Swan (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Geo Swan, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal
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Desmond Cole[edit]

As has been explained to you before, GNG is not simply a case of counting up the number of media hits that exist and then extending a free notability pass to everybody who happens to surpass an arbitrary number: GNG has tests for the kind of coverage that does or doesn't exist, the geographic range of coverage that does or doesn't exist, the depth of coverage that does or doesn't exist, and the context of what the person is getting coverage for.

Of the 12 links you provided, many of them still represent local coverage, so they don't necessarily prove that I was wrong to assess his notability as "local to a single city". So let's go over why most of them still don't wash as establishing that Cole warrants a presence in an international encyclopedia:

  1. Global News, "Desmond Cole on his experiences with racial discrimination in Toronto" - This is from Global Toronto, not from the national network, and a person's notability cannot be established by interview sourcing in which they're speaking about themselves — it can only be demonstrated by sources in which the person is being spoken or written about, in the third person, by people other than themselves.
  2. Yahoo - Your link does not take me to any source about Desmond Cole, but to the front splash page of today's Yahoo News headlines, such as "Obama delivers sharpest takedown of Trump" and "Saudi Arabia again changes its story on Khashoggi killing". And at any rate, Yahoo is a news aggregator, not a media outlet in its own right, so it's not an establisher of notability under GNG.
  3. Your Morning - This is a short blurb, not substantive coverage for the purposes of counting as a GNG point, and it's a blurb again wrapping a video in which he's talking about himself rather than being spoken or written about in the third person.
  4. Hamilton Spectator - The fact that a Torstar-owned paper, in a city only a short distance away from Toronto and still partially within Toronto's local media market, reaggregated a piece written by a Toronto Star journalist and first published by the Toronto Star does not constitute proof that his coverage is nationalizing. And since the whole basis of the coverage precisely hinges on Desmond Cole's association with the Toronto Star, the Torstar family of publications are not independent coverage for the purposes of establishing notability in that context.
  5. The Globe and Mail, "Toronto Mayor John Tory to introduce motion to end carding in the city" - This source is not about Desmond Cole for the purposes of helping to establish his notability, it just briefly namechecks his existence at the very end of an article about something else.
  6. CTV Toronto, "My responsibility is community safety" - Local source, in which the only mention of Desmond Cole anywhere in the entire page is in the headline of a different story in the "other headlines" sidebar; the actual text of the article itself is not only not about him, it doesn't even mention him at all.
  7. CTV Toronto, "Activist interrupts police board meeting, demanding carding data destroyed" - This one's actually about him, granted, but it's local coverage, thus failing to demonstrate that I was wrong in my assessment of his notability as being localized.
  8. Huffington Post - WP:BLOGS are not reliable sources. Huffington Post can be used as a convenience link when it's reaggregating wire service coverage originating with Canadian Press or Associated Press or something of that ilk — but it's the fact that the coverage originated with CP or AP that it's reliable, not the fact that it's on HuffPo. When the content originates with one of the HuffPo's own staff bloggers, however, that is not evidence of notability at all.
  9. Global News, "New carding rules approved by Toronto police board, historic data will still be retained" - Not about Desmond Cole, but just glancingly namechecks his existence in coverage about something else.
  10. The Globe and Mail, "Desmond Cole’s feature on carding lit a fuse under the city’s elite, but why did it take so long?" — The first source in the entire list that actually starts to count for something.
  11. National Post - Not about Desmond Cole, but just glancingly namechecks his existence a single time in coverage about something else.
  12. Maclean's — Again, more substantive than most of the others.

So the only two sources that are doing anything at all in terms of establishing that he's notable enough for a Wikipedia article are Maclean's and the second G&M hit. But if the context of what they're covering him for doesn't pass any subject-specific inclusion criteria, then two good media hits are not enough coverage to get him over the "notable just because media coverage exists" bar — and none of the other hits are getting him over any bar at all, because they all fail one or more of the depth, range, context or independence tests. Again, GNG is not just an arbitrary number of text matches on the person's name — it tests for the type, depth, range and context of coverage that does or doesn't exist, not just the number of possible footnotes. Bearcat (talk) 16:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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I don't think you will get anywhere convincing people to stop formatting citations in their preferred methods, I suggest you try out the enhanced diff engine at User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff and see if that helps. Personally I find the diffs it gives are much clearer. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 21:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018[edit]

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Please move Geo Swan/Vanessa Mulroney to User:Geo Swan/Vanessa Mulroney. We don't need mainspace articles named for you! 76.127.20.109 (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018[edit]

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This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

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See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

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