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Please stop slandering other editors by misrepresenting their motives[edit]

You completely misrepresented my edits because either you did not check the references and/or you did not read carefully. Please do not accuse others of having ulterior motives because of your carelessness.Sy9045 (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

This odd comment is in response to what I consider a civil and collegial expression of concern.
I responded back on @Sy9045:'s talk page. Geo Swan (talk) 03:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

dab pages[edit]

Hallo, When you create a dab page like Pearl Island, please remember to include the {{dab}} template - otherwise we get careless editors labelling it as an uncategorised stub. Thanks. PamD 13:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Guantanamo detainees missing from the official list listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Please stop harassing other Wikipedia editors. You are harassing me. Please stop it now[edit]

You have been harassing me for innocuous edits and claiming various reputable sources I've cited like WSJ, Politifact, Washington Post, Time, etc. as not being reputable when they're nothing but. We have gone over these edits time after time. First you falsely accused me of inventing stories about the Taliban 5. After I showed you the sources that were clearly cited on that page for those paragraphs (which completely discredited your argument), you resorted to harassing me in other ways. Have another editor speak with me if you have questions because you are clearly not attempting to communicate in any constructive manner whatsoever. Stop harassing me now.Sy9045 (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

  • (Sigh) I said none of the things Sy9045 apparently thinks I said, as a check of the records would show.
  1. I never said WSJ, etc, weren't reputable. I did say that paragraphs weren't referenced, when they had no references in them. Contributors can't claim references used in other parts of the article are adequate references for brand new unreferenced paragraphs.
  2. I never said @Sy9045: "invented stories" about the Taliban Five. Rather, I said that he or she was repeating what were merely allegations, as if they were truths, and doing so without attributing them, or citing them. This is not compliant with WP:NPOV.
  3. I did admonish Sy9045 for not looking for alternate interpretations of who these men were.
Sadly, many people in general, including wikipedia contributors, interpret civil, collegial expressions of concern as if they were harrassment or personal attacks.
After I left a comment on User talk:Sy9045's talk page I couldn't help noticing that several other contributors had left earlier civil expressions of concern there, only to have them interpreted as personal attacks.
Sy9045 says "Have another editor speak with me if you have questions because you are clearly not attempting to communicate in any constructive manner whatsoever." (Sigh) Somehow, seeing how they have rejected the good faith advice of multiple people, I don't see that working out well. Maybe I will make the effort to call in a third party.
Usually I follow the established convention of confining the discussion to the page where it started. I won't here however. Geo Swan (talk) 16:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Could you please explain...[edit]

The specific text you're looking for is WP:NFC#UUI, specifically point #7, which expressly sets out that if an image is sold by a press agency, our hosting of that image directly competes with their original market role per WP:NFCC #2. Even if we allow for the idea that these organizations may take up freely licensed images and sell them, which is not something I'm aware of on any kind of scale, at that point the burden in such a discussion flips to the uploader to demonstrate that this has occurred for an individual instance. I read the Reuters citation on Stefan2's second link as referring to the article text only, and the only clear citation I see for the image is AFP.

As a sidenote, remember that Wikipedia very intentionally does not use the language "fair use" in describing our policies on non-free content. There are many aspects of our policy where we are stricter than the U.S. government requires in order to meet that legal burden. You may be right that the use of the image could be justified by the fair use doctrine, but my reading of the situation as it relates to Wikipedia policies as they were 2 years ago (and remain, substantively identically, today) was that his reasoning was correct. (ESkog)(Talk) 01:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Misty Edwards[edit]

The draft for her article is now up, Misty Edwards, for you to look about her notability.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want to move the article to mainspace, please, with all do sincerity, go ahead.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I posted Misty Edwards on WikiAlpha, per your suggestion.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Misty Edwards is up on Wikipedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

You are showing page ownership[edit]

I'm not amused by your displays of WP:OWNERship. First you complain when I removed some content and simply re-applied it. Then you reverted the application of a data format. Now you don't like that I piped to the correct article to avoid a redirect. I know about redirects and I prefer not link to them. I have move the article. I'm sure you'll balk at that. If you move it or do anything else, I'll let you and you can do what you want, but you will not have impressed me with cooperative editing and you will have not have displayed any reasonable behaviour. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Boatnerd[edit]

Hi, I deleted User:Geo Swan/boatnerd - but not for WP:CSD#R2 because it wasn't a redirect from the main namespace to another namespace - it was from the User namespace. Either WP:CSD#G7 or WP:CSD#U1 would have been appropriate - I picked the latter. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Walid Ali[edit]

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  • @Soccer-holic: see Talk:Walid Ali. Do you think there would be any value in doing a simple check for obvious vandalism before applying a speedy delete tag? Geo Swan (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Mohammed Omar (child detainee) for deletion[edit]

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Reference error[edit]

Hi Geo Swan there was a list defined reference error as a result of this edit due to CbcNorth2015-08-16 reference not being used. I just commented it out for now. Cheers. CV9933 (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Your creation of a Laurence Steinberg article[edit]

Hello, Geo Swan. I saw that you linked Laurence Steinberg here and here, and in other articles, for preparation in creating an article for him. But are you sure that he is WP:Notable? Also see WP:Academic. Your first draft, for example, only includes self-references (by that, I mean references where Laurence Steinberg is the author). Flyer22 (talk) 10:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: -- Yes, I do. Usually, I would look for more references before putting an article on an academic in article space. But, in AFD on academics, being appointed to a named chair at a prestigious university is generally considered as sufficient to establish an academic measured up to WP:ACADEMIC#Criteria. Geo Swan (talk) 11:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Bright Leaves for deletion[edit]

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Some thoughts[edit]

In re to Bright Leaves: I work with new editors a lot. I also know Rimmel.Edits in real life. Just wanted to provide some thoughts.

Editing is daunting for new editors. People don't know what to do at first (with the bureaucracy, who can blame that?), and they definitely don't want to screw up. Editor retention is one of the most important problems we need to tackle on Wikipedia, and we're working on it. We've created the Teahouse, which aims to help new editors in a way that is more friendly (and sometimes even less incendiary) than the help desk. Like you said, we've lost a lot of editors (particularly content contributors) to the deletionist wave. But we also lose a lot more, new and old, to the excitement of our community.

I don't see why one should assume that an AfD is based on opinion and IDONTLIKEIT when the nominator shows an attempt at finding sources. Personal remarks and a history of Wikipedia are much more fitted on a user's talk page than on an AfD. A simple explanation of why the article should be kept, with links to sources you've found, gets the point across in a simple and effective way. AfDs can be malicious and personal, but this one was not. You're not defending against seasoned deletionists, but a new editor. Labeling some quality control volunteers as "functionally illiterate" is not a message I, or a new editor, would want to receive.

If I had to choose, I tend to side on the side of inclusionism, and I know how frustrating and moral-busting AfDs can be - but rarely is it in bad faith. Even the most veteran editors make "bad" nominations. I agree that urging editors to dive into content addition is great; I do not think discouraging copy editing is good. New editors work where they're comfortable in, and the "comfort zone" tends to be things like copy editing, vandalism patrol, and page tagging. Those are still important functions that shouldn't be discouraged in lieu of content creation. Rather, content creation should simply be encouraged, and is a place that many new editors will shift to naturally as they gain experience.

It's incredibly easy for someone to put their pen down from a volunteer project from discouragement; it's much harder to retain them. If you want a new editor to focus on improving articles rather than nominating them for deletion, there are much better approaches. Rimmel.Edits clearly put some work into finding sources; why not provide guidance on how to find more, better sources? Suggestions and links to a variety of search tools you've found helpful in the past would go a lot further than discouraging other types of editing.

I respect the work you do, the number of articles you've created, and the work you continue to put into improving them. In the coming weeks, I'll be working with fellow students to introduce to them to editing Wikipedia. I'll certainly keep in mind your thoughts on what editors should focus on, and that article rescue is preferred over article deletion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs