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== Welcome ==
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign]] your messages on [[Wikipedia:talk page|discussion page]]s using four [[tilde]]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], ask me on {{#if:Anna Lincoln|[[user talk:Anna Lincoln|my talk page]]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> --[[User:Anna Lincoln|Anna Lincoln]] ([[User talk:Anna Lincoln|talk]]) 11:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Hello, Trafford09. I don't have enough experience on Wikipedia to adopt users, but if you are interested, you can find other more experienced people who are looking for adoptees on [[Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area]]. I welcomed you not because you made any mistake, but because I was patrolling the new changes page ([[Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol]]) and I noticed that you had made some good-quality edits and I decided to welcome you; it was not any edit in special, but all of them together (I didn't look into all of them, just some). I see no problem in using the talkpages to communicate; I don't read the email very often, so I prefer to use the talk pages, if you don't mind. Best wishes, --[[User:Anna Lincoln|Anna Lincoln]] ([[User talk:Anna Lincoln|talk]]) 09:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hi Anna. That's fine, and thanks again for the welcome and tips, e.g. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 10:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC) !

Hi Trafford09. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Meandv|Meandv]] ([[User talk:Meandv|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Meandv|contribs]]) 16:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Mumbai Reverts ==
(This section was added by Suyogaerospace, to reply to my query on his page about the topic.
I've inserted my original query here too, for clarity.) [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 09:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My actual change to the [[Mumbai]] page was, following an existing sentence referring to "Mumbai's ... better standard of living ... attract migrants" to add this direct quote from the BBC: "[However,] around half of Mumbai's population live in slums." I included a proper reference to the article [ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7909660.stm ].

When my change was undone, I posted the following on the reverter's talk page, and you'll also see his reply on my page, below my query.

Hi Suyogaerospace. You seem to have undone a change I made today to [[Mumbai]]. Maybe you were correct to do so. However, my change was just to add a sentence of 9 words, complete with a proper reference to a BBC News article from today. Do you not think it was a little harsh that the reason given for undoing my contribution was the 1-word 'vandelism'? [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 09:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I have reverted your edits because its that policy, have you seen the HTML comments on mumbai page? It says that to do a change you should gain a census about it. Alreadly debate on % of people living in slums is going on (check talk page of mumbai) diffrent sources gives diffrent number of percentage. So its better to first agree on % and then add it on article. Secondly I request you to get involve in discussion on talk page. Please dont reignite this isssue ;) Dont consider my reverts as biting or harresment. Assume good faith (PS I just corrected a caption of an image and my edit was reverted just because I didnt put it on talk page then we had a huge debate and I was prove right ;))(Please reply on my talkpage)--[[User:Suyogaerospace|<big><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">Suyog</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Suyogaerospace|<big><sup><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">talk to me!</FONT></sup></big>]] 02:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi again, Suyogaerospace. May I make the following observations:

1. It seems more helpful to have our comments on the same page, so I'll put my points here, and also put a small pointer on your talk page.

2. Yes, my contribution was with hindsight in error - a point I acknowledged in my query to you - because, as you correctly pointed out in your reply, there are rules on editing that article. When I posted my change, I hadn't realised these rules were in place. I hadn't appreciated that (a) it was an FA [Wikipedia Featured Article], nor that (b) there was much talk on its Discussion page. I also hadn't spotted that the article already contained my 9 words (albeit some pages further down, under Demographics, section 9).

3. However, the reverter said only 'Vandelism' as the reason for reverting.
If they had instead said 'Vandalism - please see Discussion page.', or a few words to that effect, then I could have understood. After all, to most people, vandalism suggests something far worse.
It may be deleting existing portions, defacing them, or adding content that is offensive, non-relevant, or unsupported by a proper reference to its source. My contribution was none of these.

4. You rightly advise "Assume good faith.". Surely one act of good faith would be to encourage a contributor, even if he is breaking rules. Simply point out to them where the rules are, rather than dismisss as 'vandalism', with no help to them?

5. Wikipedia's own advice - in [[Wikipedia:Simplified_ruleset]] - encourages contributors to: (1) Be bold! in updating pages. Go ahead, it's a wiki! Encourage others, including those who disagree with you, likewise to Be bold! (6) Particularly, don't revert good faith edits. Reverting is a little too powerful sometimes ... If you really can't stand something, revert once, with an edit summary something like "(rv) I disagree strongly, I'll explain why in talk." and immediately take it to talk.

6. You mention an edit of yours being reverted and your being proved right. How does this relate to my query?

7. I suggest the following spellings: vandalism, it's, Mumbai, consensus, different, don't, harassment.
[[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 11:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi hmmm your point number 3 to 5 are almost same so I'll answer them together.
*I agree I didn't mention why I reverted it because that time I was clicked save page button in place of show preview. So to make up for it I posted a huge message on your talk page
* My experience was just to tell you that not even establish and senior editors are spared ;) So you dont feel that Im biting you or harassing you
*Coming to spellings I type too fast and some times sequence of keys get up-down, And when you get use to IMs and Voice to text things your writing and typing habbits fall apart ;)
*I mostely prefer that other editors should reply on my talk page but still if you insist that you will reply on your talk page only then you can take help of [[Template:Talkback |Talkback template]]--[[User:Suyogaerospace|<big><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">Suyog</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Suyogaerospace|<big><sup><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">talk to me!</FONT></sup></big>]] 14:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

==Help Request==
{{tnull|helpme}}
Please could you explain what (top) signifies, on a Page History page - I tried to find (top) in Help search, but no joy. Thx.
:You probably mean on your [[Special:Contributions/Trafford09|contributions]] page. (Top) in that case means it's the last edit that was made to the page, the 'top' edit in the history. //[[User:Roux|<span style="color:#00009C;font-size:80%;">'''roux'''</span>]] [[User talk:Roux|<span style="border:1px solid #00009C;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">&nbsp;</span>]] 18:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
:: Excellent - that makes sense of it all. Many thanks. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 18:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


== My test section ==
== My test section ==


test: [[go (game)]]
test: [[go (game)]]

== Watchlist ==

{{tnull|helpme}}
Please could you advise me whether & how one can add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/11.22.333.44 (as example) to one's watchlist? Thanks.
:Unfortunately there is a software limitation that prevents things like contributions pages being added to watchlists. Basically, you cannot watchlist any page that is dynamically generated on each view (like contributions). //[[User:Roux|<span style="color:#465945;font-size:80%;">'''roux'''</span>]] [[User talk:Roux|<span style="border:1px solid #465945;-moz-border-radius-topright:10px;-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;padding:0px 7px;font-size:30%;">&nbsp;</span>]] 07:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
Thanks Roux.

== Spelling ==

Thanks ;) I purposely do grammatical errors to increase my edit counts while fixing them :D--[[User:Suyogaerospace|<big><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">Suyog</FONT></big>]][[User talk:Suyogaerospace|<big><sup><FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">talk to me!</FONT></sup></big>]] 07:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

: Lol - I like that :) [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 08:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Request for the name of a template ==

{{tn|helpme}}
Could somebody please tell me the name of one of the templates which appears when a logged-in editor writes a new article?
The template I'm referring to is the one which includes the text '''"When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references will likely be deleted quickly."'''.
I've searched Help, and followed links to [[Template:Semi-protected]] et al, but cannot find the one I'm seeking.
Thanks in advance. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 11:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Did you mean, <nowiki>{{refimprove}}</nowiki>, which looks like this;

{{tn|refimprove}}
(remove the tn| to see the real template for refimprove)

--<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:: No, Chaz. I meant the one with the text I showed above. Maybe if you paste
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hjhjhjh&action=edit&redlink=1
into your browser, you'll see the exact page where it appears. (But thanks anyway.) [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, I'll take a look. There's so many tools out there. To make it easier, you might like to go to your perferences, and, in gadgets, enable [[WP:FRIENDLY|FRIENDLY]]. That gives you buttons to very quickly tag articles with all kinds of things. --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

*Aha, I think I've found what you mean! It's not a template, it's a function of the wiki software. If you go to an article that doesn't exist, for example [[jasdhfljhasdfk]], and click "create this article", a message automatically appears at the top. It says;

* Before creating an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article, or search for an existing article to which you can redirect this title.
* To experiment, please use the sandbox.
* When creating an article, provide references to reliable published sources. An article without references will likely be deleted quickly.

(but with [[WP:LINK|WIKILINK]]s); if you need it, I might be able to get a copy of the actual source code?

--<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to close off this 'helpme' for now. If you do require further help, please either contact me via [[User talk:chzz|my talk page]], or put another helpme request on this page.

Thanks! --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your time, Chzz. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 12:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome, any time

<small>psst - has anyone told you about the [[WP:TMM|missing manual]]? Ssh. It's a secret :-)</small>

--<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

[[User:GT5162|GT5162]] <sup>[[User_talk:GT5162|(我的对话页)]]</sup> 15:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Re. creating pages "template" ==

Hi,
Yes, I do remember;
Sorry I failed t o track it to that mediawiki page; we live and learn.
I've 'thrown my oar in' to the discussion.
Cheers, --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
:P.S. I'll also ask some others to look in on it. --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

{{tn|talkback|Chzz|Update & query re leaving messages}} --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Live help ==

By the way, although it is noted in the helpme template, you may not be aware that the [http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/ talk to us live] thing really works; there's several people, including myself, sitting there all the time, more than happy to help users with any Wikipedia questions. Pop in and say "hi" some time.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
<br>
:For anybody else reading this: well, the live help works extremely well - I'd recommend it. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 12:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== You're Welcome ==

No problem. You're welcome. [[User:Cool3|Cool3]] ([[User talk:Cool3|talk]]) 15:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Questions while I was away ==

Hi,

I noticed you asked a couple of things in help, when nobody was there.

1 can you tell if an editor's logged in? (Except by checking their recent edits)

:I don't think you can - unless you have another form of contact with them, such as MSN etc. Wikipedia is very 'anonymous. If they don't edit, they don't show up.

2 How do you tell an editor's rights?

:Go to Special, Log (where you normally see contributions, change the pull-down to "user rights log", leave the "user" box empty, and in the "Title" box, put "User:Chzz" (or whoever).

:Note - this confuses everyone; if you put a name in the "User", it shows you rights that that user has ''given''.

:Alternatively, Special, users - rights are shown in brackets after the name, if there are any.

:<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Talkback ==
{{tn|talkback|Rectilinium|West Point query}}
{{tn|tb|Chzz|IE says "Done, but with errors on page."}} <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Vandalism report ==

{{Tnull|helpme}}

Could somebody deal with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Woodchipper&diff=prev&oldid=284621287 this user]? I've got to go out!
*{{Done}} [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>]] and his otters • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Many otters]] • [[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|One hammer]] • [[:User:TenPoundHammer/Country|HELP]])</sup> 17:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Removal of category <nowiki>{{WPFISHING}}</nowiki> ==

{{cquote|1=
Hiya. Just letting you know that after [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Retiarius&diff=prev&oldid=284569088 your edit] to the [[Talk:Retiarius]] Talk page, I've had to removed the Category <nowiki>{{WPFISHING}}</nowiki>, as it's inappropriate to the article. If you meant to add a different Category, please redo your edit, selecting the appropriate category that you intended to add.
|4= Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]])
|5= 17:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
}}

:Why do you believe so? A [[Retiarius]] is a gladiator-style derived from fishermen, so would seem to be related to [[fishing]]. [[Special:Contributions/70.29.213.241|70.29.213.241]] ([[User talk:70.29.213.241|talk]]) 04:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Query re. edit summaries ==

Answered in [[User:Trafford09/Sandbox]], as requested <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== [User's reply re TW] ==
*Thanks for the Twinkle tip. I am aware of the pre-written vandalism warnings and do use them. However, I do write my own informal messages to vandals, just to let them know they have been caught and record their mischief on their talk page. Thanks, and down with vandalism.[[User:Stepp-Wulf|Stepp-Wulf]] ([[User talk:Stepp-Wulf|talk]]) 02:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC).

== Trout ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Rainbow_trout.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Wet Trout Award'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I, ~~, have the honor of presenting you the '''[[WP:TROUT|Wet Trout Award]]''' for For slapping yourself on the IRC earlier. <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
|}

I humbly accept. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 01:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Frusciante heroin addiction is unsourced? ==

That very same article says he was addicted to heroin. [[Special:Contributions/200.160.69.53|200.160.69.53]] ([[User talk:200.160.69.53|talk]]) 16:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

: Hi IP200. I looked at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Frusciante&diff=287375972&oldid=287373829 your contribution] to the [[John Frusciante]] Main Page article, and noticed you'd not included [[WP:reference | an in-line citation]], nor had you provided any [[WP:edit summary]]. I then examined [[Special:Contributions/200.160.69.53 | the other previous contributions from the IP address you used]], and looked at the prior warnings on your [[User talk:200.160.69.53|talk page]]. Hence my warning - but I admit I was unaware that your claim (whilst uncited) was in fact true. Nonetheless, I presume that Frusciante is best known for his good guitar work, rather than his drug-addiction? The article says "In 1998, he successfully completed drug rehabilitation"; doesn't the passing of 11 years since then earn him a break? Also, you said yourself that the article already referred to his prior drug problem. I wonder whether there's much merit in the article referring to it twice. Maybe the other contributions from your IP address weren't made by you? Had you considered registering a user name instead of the IP? Anyway, I hope to be praising your future Wikipedia contributions. If I can be any help, please ask. Regards, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 16:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:: He's not know for good guitar work but for playing guitar in Red Hot Chili Peppers and during that time he did a lot of heroin. [[Special:Contributions/200.160.69.53|200.160.69.53]] ([[User talk:200.160.69.53|talk]]) 23:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

:::{{fact}} - with bio's of living persons, we have to be particularly careful about the facts - especially if they are contentious - see [[WP:BLP]]. In this specific case, I can see your point - and agree that he's best known as a member of the Chilli's. Doing a rough calc though, from Google News, I get just over 1000 hits for "Frusciante guitar" ([http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?um=1&ned=uk&hl=en&q=Frusciante&cf=all here]) and only about 200 for "Frusciante heroin" ([http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?q=Frusciante+heroin&btnG=Search&um=1&ned=uk&hl=en here]). Not the most scientific of tests, but it's something. Therefore, in the interests of [[WP:BALANCE|balance]], I'd have to say that it's not appropriate to add that info. If you disagree, you should suggest your edit on the article discussion page, [[Talk:John Frusciante]].
:::Also, I'd just like to support what Trafford09 said - get yourself a Wikipedia account, for [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|all kinds of reasons]].
:::Cheers, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

==[[User:Sunnytree]]==
Yeah, that page should go, too. I'll MfD it. [[User:Who then was a gentleman?|Who then was a gentleman?]] ([[User talk:Who then was a gentleman?|talk]]) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I just put a db-ad on it. [[User:Who then was a gentleman?|Who then was a gentleman?]] ([[User talk:Who then was a gentleman?|talk]]) 00:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ta. [[User:Who then was a gentleman?|Who then was a gentleman?]] ([[User talk:Who then was a gentleman?|talk]]) 00:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== 205ywmpq ==

I thought it might be worth noting these links, while I had them open.

So - the SUL utility is [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=205ywmpq here],

And the Japanese SPI investigation mentioning the user is [[ja:Wikipedia:進行中の荒らし行為/長期/かなべえコバトン|here]].

Cheers, <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 04:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== ACCA ==

yes it is ACCA

[[User:Nabil rais2008|Colossal]] ([[User talk:Nabil rais2008|talk]]) 15:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Removal of text on talk pages ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr._Blofeld&diff=prev&oldid=288720080 this edit] to [[User:Dr. Blofeld]]'s talk page, [[WP:BLANKING|he is permitted]] to remove comments from his own talk page as he sees fit, even though archiving is preferred, this is also true of warning templates as removing a warning template implies that you have read and understand it. Also I hope you can appreciate [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr._Blofeld&diff=next&oldid=288720261 the irony] in not signing your comment about signing comments. --[[User:Kelapstick|kelapstick]] ([[User talk:Kelapstick|talk]]) 18:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

:It's a fair cop - mea culpa. Have apologised to the good Dr. & thanked Kelapstick. We live and learn. :) [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 00:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


== Thanks ==
== Thanks ==
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{{tn|talkback|Trafford09}} Thank you. Ok I agree with your modifications. It's cool. I make it live now. Thank again. Cheers, [[User:MelindaMelinda|MelindaMelinda]]
{{tn|talkback|Trafford09}} Thank you. Ok I agree with your modifications. It's cool. I make it live now. Thank again. Cheers, [[User:MelindaMelinda|MelindaMelinda]]
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== My Vaarky/Reference page ==
Thanks for checking about whether the appearance of the link for the page on users looking for help meant that I needed help. I'm actually just keeping a list of pages I would like to look at at some point to familiarize myself with what they're for. I wasn't trying to request help by it, but really appreciate your asking. I'll update the page to clarify so it doesn't confuse anyone else. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] ([[User talk:Vaarky|talk]]) 06:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Removed the category that caused it to index as though I needed help. Sorry for the false alarm. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] ([[User talk:Vaarky|talk]]) 07:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks - no problem. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 07:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guidelines for new articles ==

Apparently: <br>
"Before creating an article, please [[Wikipedia:Searching|search]] Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not ''already exist'' on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines to which all articles should adhere. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]], must be written from a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]], should [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite]] to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] which [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] their content and must not contain [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|unsourced, negative content about living people]].

Articles must also demonstrate the [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)|people]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (music)|bands and musicians]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)|companies and organizations]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (web)|web content]] and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]] strongly recommends against ''you'' creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see [[Help:Starting a new page]]. You might also look at [[Wikipedia:Your first article]] and [[Wikipedia:How to write a great article]] for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the [[Wikipedia:Tutorial]] so that you know how to properly format the article before creation."
<br> [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 11:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== hi t9!!! ==

I got it!!!!
:so you did - well done.

test[[User:Srimukh|Srimukh]] ([[User talk:Srimukh|talk]]) 10:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Excellent :) [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 11:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== talkback ==
{{tlx|tb|Chzz|Google hits}} <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

{{tb|Chzz|Static & dynamic IP addresses, et al.}} <small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia talk:New contributors' help page]] ==

I saw what you were trying to do there, so I located the references and wrapped them in nowiki tags. That should prevent the error message from displaying at the bottom. Best, <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 01:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for that, sir. I guess my 2nd attempt - even tho' it works for now - would be scuppered if another user added further refs?
:Anyway, nice trick of yours - I must remember it. At least I can look here for the reminder. Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::No problem, happy to help. If another user adds further refs, then we can just add nowiki tags again and drop them a note explaining what's going on. <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 11:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Re: AIV ==

Hello - thanks for the message. You're doing fine! My meaning was that IP addresses - especially dynamic ones like that one - cannot be vandalism-only accounts. The next person who logs on from their living room may be completely different than this guy and we don't want them to feel unwelcome. Also, IPs are rarely blocked longer than 24 to 48 hours ''unless'' it's a static IP with a long history of abuse. This IPs three edits don't qualify.

Lastly, be sure that any editor you're about to report to AIV a) has been given a final level 4 warning, and b) has made an abusive edit ''after'' that final warning. Many users are simply testing out the 'anyone can edit' thing; others will stop after the level 3 warning, as this particular editor did; and even more will stop after their final warning. We want to be preventing current abusive edits from a bad-faith user, not punishing for edits made several hours or days prior. The [[WP:VANDAL|vandalism]] and [[WP:BLOCK|blocking]] policies have more information. Keep up the good work! - [[User:KrakatoaKatie|<font color="navy">'''Krakatoa'''</font>]][[User talk:KrakatoaKatie|<font color="maroon">Katie</font>]] 02:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replied ==

{{tlx|tb|chzz|Static & dynamic IP addresses, et al.}}

And...

<big><big><big>Please</big></big></big>

I've helped you a bit, yes?

I don't often - actually, this is 1st time ever - ask for favours in return;

Please, do *something* to improve [[William Windsor (goat)]]

I am asking everyone I know to contribute...even if just a little...to this interesting, quirky article.

Fix a typo; improve a ref; get some background info from the web; email the barracks and ask for a pic; ask others to contribute; say something on the talk page, or the DYK request or the peer review; ***anything*** :-)

Please help restore my faith in the wiki community; many hands make light work, etc.

<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== [[Stan Bunn]] ==

Thanks for your comments and the other improvements you made on the article. As to the "in" part, it may be a US/British English thing, or maybe even a [[Pacific Northwest]] thing, or possibly the usage in this particular manner. Here we also usually use "in" as in your car example, but there 1985 will always be 1985. With this example the time frame will vary depending on the person at the beginning of the sentence, as in his senior year was 1963 to 1964, but my senior year was 1993 to 1994. Now, I don't know if that is the reason why here we more typically omit the "in" when discussing students and their class years, but my experience is that we do omit it. The other change I had reverted, just FYI, is a bit clunky with my wording, but the use of "third year" (or "first year") is the lingo for law school, but I had to make sure people understood it was also the final year. Thanks. [[User:Aboutmovies|Aboutmovies]] ([[User talk:Aboutmovies|talk]]) 07:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:Okey-dokey. Thanks for your explanation. All the best, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 23:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== AIV reports ==

Hi. If you warn someone could you not report them immediately afterwards since warnings could possibly deter them? (As in [[Special:Contributions/Norfrank123|this]] case, even though it was valid since it's a vandal-only account). -- [[User:Mentifisto|<font color="#800080" face="courier new">Menti</font>]][[User talk:Mentifisto|<font color="#000000" face="courier new">fisto</font>]] 22:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

: Understood - thx. [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 23:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== IRC ==

Hey,

You might be interested in [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Are_outside_forums_appropriate_in_welcome_message.3F]].

<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background-color:darkblue; color:#FFFFFF"> &nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B; background-color:yellow; border: 0px solid; ">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


== Please walk me through uploading an image ==
== Please walk me through uploading an image ==
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== thank you ==
== thank you ==

Thank you for your help.
Thank you for your help.


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kindest regards, [[User:Zabadac|Zabadac]] ([[User talk:Zabadac|talk]]) 19:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
kindest regards, [[User:Zabadac|Zabadac]] ([[User talk:Zabadac|talk]]) 19:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


== thanks for the feedback ==
== thanks for the feedback ==


I appreciate you taking the time for feedback. I've found a way to communicate back to the user who gave me a warning, asking for a review of his/her actions.
I appreciate you taking the time for feedback. I've found a way to communicate back to the user who gave me a warning, asking for a review of his/her actions.
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:Great. Nice to chat on [[WP:IRC]] just now. So now you're now a fully-fledged poster to other editors' Talk pages! I'll take another look at your article soon. Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 07:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Great. Nice to chat on [[WP:IRC]] just now. So now you're now a fully-fledged poster to other editors' Talk pages! I'll take another look at your article soon. Cheers, [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09#top|talk]]) 07:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


==Regarding Helpme==
== Regarding Helpme ==

Ya sure! Thanks [[User:Kesangh|Kesangh]] ([[User talk:Kesangh|talk]]) 09:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Ya sure! Thanks [[User:Kesangh|Kesangh]] ([[User talk:Kesangh|talk]]) 09:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


==Hey==
== Hey ==

Thanks for the help, I'll make the relevant changes. On a lighter note, what did you mean by ''It's really just a case of your being bold'', I am just doing my job. I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Kindly tell me more about this. And how are only a few selected events are mentioned in ''On this day section'' out of all the entries, i don't see any difference in the syntax of these selected events in the edit section. Who selects the events which should be displayed on the Main page? By the way, i noticed that you copied some of the text from your own talkpage onto my talkpage :-)
Thanks for the help, I'll make the relevant changes. On a lighter note, what did you mean by ''It's really just a case of your being bold'', I am just doing my job. I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Kindly tell me more about this. And how are only a few selected events are mentioned in ''On this day section'' out of all the entries, i don't see any difference in the syntax of these selected events in the edit section. Who selects the events which should be displayed on the Main page? By the way, i noticed that you copied some of the text from your own talkpage onto my talkpage :-)



Revision as of 16:32, 8 June 2009


My test section

test: go (game)

Thanks

{{talkback}}|Trafford09 Thank you. Ok I agree with your modifications. It's cool. I make it live now. Thank again. Cheers, MelindaMelinda

Please walk me through uploading an image

Hi Trafford09, I'm glad you are a "mere mortal" that maybe can help me! I looked in Wikimedia Commons for a photo of this band but didn't see one, but I believe that this album cover can and should be allowed under "fair use" law, and also because this album is out of print (from 1986). MTStern (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading album cover image contd.

Trafford09, I want to continue this conversation with you, since you're already familiar with what i've explained so far. It seems that the file was uploaded, but to where, I'm not sure. Perhaps, I just need to wait??

About the "live chat", I did try that... but it seemed rather slow. Also, I didn't know if I should put your user name in on the first screen or mine.

Thank you very much for your continued assistance and patience. Below is the page I'm trying to add the image to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koinonia_(band)

MTStern (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Trafford

Hi, I saw your message on Chzz's talk page to another user & was wondering whether you could have a look over this article I've been working on & see what you think-User:Dottydotdot/workpage/History of Dubai. The current article is at History of Dubai. Any comments on my talk page would be very much appreciated. Thanks! Dottydotdot (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, look forward to them.Dottydotdot (talk) 01:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much-do you think the lead section is OK? Dottydotdot (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you very much, appreciated. Dottydotdot (talk) 07:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Guidance Barnstar
Thank you for your help Trafford. Dottydotdot (talk) 09:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow - two barnstars in 24 hours - thank you for yours. Hey, they're like buses, these! (But more pleasurable!)
Seriously though, I enjoy copy-editing, so am happy to help again if you'd like on a future occasion. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 09:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Helping Hand Barnstar
For all your efforts to help new users; you thoroughly deserve one of these. Keep it up.  Chzz  ►  16:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've got a very long way to go, to get up to your level, but thanks for the thought & encouragement. Trafford09 (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I declined your speedy, added some references, and tidied it up a bit. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied - with thanks - on Martin's talk page. Trafford09 (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hello

Zabadac (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zabadac, well done.

thank you

Thank you for your help.

I found that there was no 'new section' for the user who sent me a message I want to reply too.

So, I was unable to reply, and challenge things.

Can users disable incoming messages? If so, how do I get a return to this perosn?

kindest regards, Zabadac (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

answer to question

Zabadac (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC) Thank you Trafford. There is now a 'new section' coming up on that users - Mr Ollie.[reply]

I'll send a note now.

Thanks for the tip on spaces.

citation help

Thanks! For the speedy response to my distress call on how to cite a thesis. NHearn (talk) 18:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sweeeeeeeeeet!!! That is wonderful! Have a great morning. I may come and pick your brain later. 24.248.193.115 (talk) 13:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

predatory revisions

Trafford

After I was 'advsied' not to add an extrenal link, and it was removed, I checked the extrenal links on a number of entries.

Clearly, there were commercial, advertisng based links. So, I decided I would remove thos offending items.

The revisons I made have been 'reverted', with no reasonable explantion

I am concerned that this system is one rule for one person, and another rule for another person, and that my updates are being 'attacked'.

Either the extrenal oinks policy if followed by everyone, or not.

I would liek you to review the site entry for 'high end audio', specifically the external links, and reveiw the recent 'updates'.

If my suggested link does not follow guidelines, I fail to see how the ones that someone is trying to hang to can meet the guidelines too.

kindest regards

Zabadac (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

inappropriate warning

Trafford

I got a threatening warning from User:Bgs022 about my edits.

I am unable to communicate with them, and see no reason why I should be threatened for doing something that is correct.

Is there an independent 'abuse' review system in place ?

kindest regards, Zabadac (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the feedback

I appreciate you taking the time for feedback. I've found a way to communicate back to the user who gave me a warning, asking for a review of his/her actions.

I seem to have hit on a nerve with someone, somewhere. Otherwise I wouldn't attract this attention.

My stance is that if you can have one or more links to single specialist commercial sites, including a major magazine or two, then you can have another one, as long as its relevant and useful resource. Clearly someone thought otherwise, and pointed to the guidelines as the authority for the removal of my edits (made in good faith). I am now at a loss to understand what constitutes a valid external link.

So, a detailed review of those guidelines told me that there were in fact a load of other links that supposedly broke the guidelines. So, I cleaned up the entries.

I will take this matter to dispute if I am attacked again without good reason, and any valid edits that I make reverted.

My view is that there are conflicts of interest here, and I will test the impartially of these people. Seems a bit like 'big bother'.

Of course, someone can simply block my account. Who really cares - well, I do because this activity is not in the spirit, or guidelines, of Wikipedia.

Thanks for the advice to tread carefully, but really, who should I be afraid of? This is either a fair process, or not.

It will be interesting to see. I wait for a response to my refuting the warning.

kindest regards

20:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zabadac (talkcontribs)

Goat Star

The Goat Star
For contributions to Caprinae Solidarius

Lance Corporal William Windsor salutes you!

 Chzz  ►  22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The award is documented in User:Chzz/Recipients of the Goat Star. I am working to progress William Windsor to Good Article status, so please look in some time. Cheers!  Chzz  ►  22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Test for Erelyes

Bananas are usually green or yellow or brown. However I could not find any references to verify this. Erelyes (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, oranges are orange.Erelyes (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Nice to chat on WP:IRC just now. So now you're now a fully-fledged poster to other editors' Talk pages! I'll take another look at your article soon. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 07:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Helpme

Ya sure! Thanks Kesangh (talk) 09:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Thanks for the help, I'll make the relevant changes. On a lighter note, what did you mean by It's really just a case of your being bold, I am just doing my job. I am not familiar with this live talk feature. Is it really better than typing 'helpme' on the talkpage. Do people prefer to use the live talk feature than the' helpme' thing. Kindly tell me more about this. And how are only a few selected events are mentioned in On this day section out of all the entries, i don't see any difference in the syntax of these selected events in the edit section. Who selects the events which should be displayed on the Main page? By the way, i noticed that you copied some of the text from your own talkpage onto my talkpage :-)

Thanks for your help. Well, i am familiar with the being bold thing. As it was already late, i wanted someone else to add the information on the Main page. If i had asked someone to help me with the procedure of editing the Main page then that would have taken still more time and eventually, it would have been too late. But that's okay, Shivaji's coronation was celebrated yesterday as per the Marathi calendar and today as per the Gregorian calendar. I have added the relevant information to the On this day... section, but my edits are not visible on the Main page. Going through the link you gave me, i understood about the criteria required for listing an event on the Main page, but who's going to really put the particular event(if it deserves so) on the Main page, the admins? How to get an admin to see if the event i am talking about could be included on the Main page? If possible, can you yourself add the relevant information on the Main page. I got to go. Kindly help. Thanks Kesangh (talk) 07:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smile