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Ura Koyama

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Nonnotable supercentenarian without reliable sources. See WT:WOP#Common deletion outcomes. More as needed. JJB 23:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. Not sufficiently notable to justify a self-standing biographical article. --DAJF (talk) 10:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep She was Japan's oldest person, and 114 is rare even among supercentenarians. Longevitydude (talk) 19:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep per Longevitydude. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 20:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
• More thorough discussion: Not sure why this was relisted. This is a 4-sentence article, 1.5 sentences of which come from its only source, a 6-sentence article in a Memphis paper (2 about Ura Koyama, 1 about Minagawa, and 3 about Japanese longevity generally). The remainder is original research derived from the only external link (OHB) and probably from (and at) the GRG, both of which are not reliable secondary sources. There are no responses arguing against this clear WP:GNG failure, but only against my attempt to identify common outcomes (which should have been linked from nom, fixed now) by proposing alternate inherent-notability criteria without discussing them at that link, the appropriate place; nor has there been any attempt to improve the article, or indeed indication that that is possible. This is an ex-parrot! JJB 01:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Half the article was about Yone Minagawa. I've deleted that part, leaving Minagowa's blue-linked name and relation to Koyama in the article's text. What remains is a source and an external link. Here's what the source says, in its entirety:

"Japan's oldest woman, 114-year-old Ura Koyama, died of pneumonia at a hospital in southern Japan, an official said Tuesday.

Koyama died Tuesday in Iizuka City, where she had been hospitalized, according to Akemi Hiromoto, a city official. Japan's oldest person is now Yone Minagawa, 112-year-old in Fukuoka, born on Jan. 4, 1893, according to the Health Ministry.

Japan ranks among nations with the world's longest life spans. In 2003, Japanese women set a new record for life expectancy, at 85.3 years, while men could expect to live 78.3 years.

Experts say a traditional fish-based, low-fat diet may be Japan's secret to long life."

Only the first two sentences are about Koyama, and they disclose nothing notable.

The external link is to a Louis Epstein's self-published web page. That's not a reliable sources as that term is defined for en.wikipedia. It's either a primary source, WP:NOR, or unverifiable WP:V. Delete, per JJB and his parrot.David in DC (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The parrot wasn't actually voting, it was just pining for the fjords. No sockparrotry here! JJB 04:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep or Merge.::www.recordholders.org is NOT a self-published page. It's published in Germany and Louis lives in New York. That is just typical, DavidinDC, of the callous remarks that you and JJ have been making.

Also, in 2007 it was decided that supercentenarian bios that could not stand alone should be merged into the "list of" pages. Unfortunately, too many people here just think the options are keep or delete, when "merge" would be acceptable.

In reality, this article could be expanded and well-sourced, should someone take the time to do so. Having been Japan's oldest person from 2003 to 2005, that doesn't fit the definition of "one event," and multiple sources are available.

It is, of course, incumbent upon the article creators to make an article that might be able to stand alone. The article in the present state is "out of shape," but that doesn't mean that Ura Koyama doesn't deserve more than just a name in a list.Ryoung122 05:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Here are the first three lines of text on the page in question:

"The Oldest Human Beings

These statistics were provided by Louis Epstein. Comments and corrections are welcome.

Latest update: December 3, 2010"

Something called www.recordholders.org is hosting data provided by someone named Louis Epstein, with the disclaimer that "comments and corrections are welcome." I'll assume good faith that you actually know the seperate locations of the web site provider and the statistics provider, but I'm not sure what point it proves. Louis Epstein may be well-known to you, but we need something he published in a reliable source. Not something he caused to be published on a "record holder" website. David in DC (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Only source in article covers two sentences about Koyama, which is not substantial coverage. Inclusion in lists is fine. Neptune5000 (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)