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Hello, Rawhide4u, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Well done for chopping out the source material from your two Internal Revenue Code articles. But please provide proper links to them on Wikisource. Use {{Wikisource|Title on Wikisource}}.

Incidentally, I have an horrible feeling that William Peyton Hubbard/Temp is still a copyvio. -- RHaworth 18:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 Incidentally, I have an horrible feeling that [[William Peyton Hubbard/Temp]] is still a copyvio. -- [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] 18:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
-== [[Irwin Schiff]] ==
-Since you seem to be knowledgeable about Mr. Schiff, would you perchance happen to know his correct birth date and place (or at least year of birth) for the article? Cheers! [[User:BDAbramson|<font style="background:gold">'''''BDAbramson'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BDAbramson|'''T''']] 01:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-*I should have known [[Irwin Schiff]] was written by an Attorney. Your attempt to "discredit" his findings seems quite obvious.  In regard to Schiff's birth place, date, etc. I am NOT a fanatic of his.  I just happen to know how to read the Internal Revenue Code Book. Perhaps you should acquire one, it may enlighten you.. Particularly, code 3401(c), code 61, code 871, code 911, etc. You of all people should know that the courts can silence anyone. [[User:Rawhide4u|Rawhide4u]] 03:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-*Pleased to meet you. Yes I am an attorney, and I have read the IRC - and I'm not sitting in jail at the moment because I pay my taxes. Shiff's convictions discredit him more than anything I could do. If you join him in believing that the income tax is illegal, and only imposed because of a massive conspiracy among all federal judges, the President and his servants in the executive branch (which enforces the tax laws under his authority), the Congress (which passes the laws and would amend them if they were interpreted improperly), and by extension the entire U.S. electorate which either continues to put the same people back in the halls of power, or just stays home on election day, then you should flee such horrid corruption and find a safe haven in a country where taxes are unenforced. Rwanda, perhaps. When a majority of the population is behind a conspiracy, that conspiracy can be titled "the rule of law". Cheers again! [[User:BDAbramson|<font style="background:gold">'''''BDAbramson'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BDAbramson|'''T''']] 01:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-**Pleased to meet you also.  I am not sitting in jail either and I do NOT pay any "personal" income tax. Your response seems to venture into a different direction. I do not believe Schiff has ever stated that the “Income Tax” is illegal, as a whole.  His reference seems to sway more into the “Personal” income taxation issue. He does stand correct however, in stating that there is NO law requiring individuals working, for a non-governmental company or agency, be liable to pay personal income tax on their "salary" or "wage". Since you are familiar with the IRC, then you must be aware of this.  If not, then do some research. By the way, Schiffs convictions only highlight the corruption within the Judicial System. Money and Power is the way of the world. [[User:Rawhide4u|Rawhide4u]] 07:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-**Hi - can we keep the conversation on this page (I have it watchlisted) - I'm trying to keep my talk page clear until I get back from the Wikibreak I'm trying to take (Wikipedia is dangerously addictive). Thanks for signing your post. I'm not saying the government has the power to tax. I'm saying that any conspiracy that involves the complete complicity of all three branches of the U.S. government is insurmountable. If they catch you not paying your taxes, they will jail you. There is no magical argument that the courts will buy, because if such a conspiracy exists, the courts are 100% behind it (up to the Supreme Court, which has the last word). Heck, Bush just put a Justice on the Court who just weeks before had joined an opinion that "tax protester arguments have been rejected as patently frivolous". Even the supposedly anti-tax Republicans have done no more than tinker at the edges of the tax code, while the "Republican" administration continues to enforce the collection of taxes, and the "Republican" Congress continues to pay IRS agents to transfer taxpayer dollars to the offshore bank accounts of a handful of Halliburton execs. [[User:BDAbramson|<font style="background:gold">'''''BDAbramson'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BDAbramson|'''T''']] 03:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-**LOL..... Very true!! However, you state "conspiracy" as if it does not exist. It's not the few that slip through the cracks that is the concern. It's when those cracks become doorways for the masses that it becomes an issue for the "powers that be".  [[User:Rawhide4u|Rawhide4u]] 03:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
-*I'm removing posts right away because there's a notice at the top of my page that says "Please do not post messages here during my absence unless you have an emergency". Granted, I'm not all that absent, but I'm trying to be. Also, I'm not entirely deleting the posts, merely moving them to my archive for article-related posts - [[User:BDAbramson/Archive - Articles]]. You can respond directly there, if you want. [[User:BDAbramson|<font style="background:gold">'''''BDAbramson'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BDAbramson|'''T''']] 13:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)